BH volley grip

Mine is closer to eastern bh grip, which is a fair bit away from my fh volley grip (continental). I do this because I simply cannot get power from continental grip on my bh volleys. Anyone else do this (especially for high bh volleys)?

Also, how far out infront should I contact the ball? I often hear the advice to hit out 'well infront', but that causes the racquet face to open too much.

Thanks!
 
Nope continental for all volleys. Work on forearm / grip strengthening exercises... though with proper technique you don't need to gip it so hard..

As for how far in front you should contact when you volley.... Hold your racquet out in front and now turn your shoulders abour 45 degrees to the left or right... Thats the contact point right there. Of course when you perform an actual volley you take the take back a few inches from that point and put your shoulder muscles and step through the volley... but thats where the contact point is.
 
Mine is closer to eastern bh grip, which is a fair bit away from my fh volley grip (continental). I do this because I simply cannot get power from continental grip on my bh volleys. Anyone else do this (especially for high bh volleys)?

Also, how far out infront should I contact the ball? I often hear the advice to hit out 'well infront', but that causes the racquet face to open too much.

Thanks!

The backhand and forehand volley done right takes little strength...thus, using the eastern grips for either is usually because of wrong technique. (I often demonstrate in clinics both volleys using only two fingers holding the racquet and hitting hard-hit balls deep and with pace to show that it has nothing to do with strength!)

Contact point is NOT out in front of the body, especially on the backhand. If you watch every pro volley, with few exceptions, they volley at their side, not way out in front of their body towards the net.

The mention of 'hit the ball out in front' is a real flawed bit of advice on the volley. (Unless it is used to get someone who is hitting late to make a correction.) Since the hitting arm on the backhand volley is initiated by the front shoulder, the arm is already out in front of the body when the player turns the shoulders sideways to prepare for the volley. On the forehand, because the shoulder is the back shoulder, the player will want to press forward for contact, however contact is still usually even with the front knee.

In reality, contact is in front of the body...however, this is often misunderstood as in front towards the net or target. It isn't...it is out in front of the body when the body is sideways...not towards the target but basically parallel with the net to the side of the body. This is so often misunderstood.

When players try to hit the ball too far in front, especially with the continental grip, it will feel weak. This is why so many players revert to the eastern grips to make it feel like a stronger grip.

Higher volleys can be adjusted to eastern grips. However, be careful that you don't hit these volleys too flat. Typically, a ball dropping from an opponent's shot will reflect downward at a similar angle that the ball was received at. (Angle of reflection is equal to the angle of incidence.) In addition, the higher volleys tend to make the arm swing in what I call in my book, a 'reverse pendulum'. This means, because the arm swings at the shoulder point, the racquet will only close as the arm moves forward. This is why so many players can hit a fairly high ball close to the net into the BOTTOM of the net!

A little slice on high volleys helps prevent this as well as helps keep the 'plane the same' within the contact phase of the volley.

I have my 8 year old daughter using continental grips on her volley and hitting firm, crisp volleys...and she has only been practicing seriously about 7 months.

It is all about technique...not about strength.

The problem is that the continental grip is not comfortable and must be trained and mastered without reverting back to more comfortable or familiar grips just because they FEEL better!
 
Use a continental grip and WAIT for the ball. Don't try to reach "out in front" for it, unless you're aggressively attacking the net for a putaway.
 
TMastery's explanation here is outstanding IMO.

I personally use a grip halfway between a cont and EBH. I get very solid BH results by carving under the ball most of the time and I flatten out the higher balls. But on the FH side the additional openness resulting from this grip makes my weakness of low FH volleys no problem anymore. For high FH volleys I have 2 techniques for compensating for the open face.
Works for me.

But I would advise sticking with TM's instructions and work on develping the Continental.
 
Thanks for all the advice! I will be trying it out tomorrow.

But just 2 more Qs:

1) How far out to the side should the racquet be? Ie. Do I extend my arm straight?

2) For a volley at waist height, should the racquet be lying on its side like this:

O--

or standing up more on an angle a bit like this:

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Thanks for the help- I really want to own this shot.
 
Tennismastery, from my limited experience in this board, is one of the best resources on this site, and without the ego of some others :). I just clicked on his homepage, it seems that he has a book of the same name. 300 pages of the same great advice may just make me want to buy it as a Xmas gift for myself...hehe

I agree that the volley is very problematic for people like me wanting to improve their level, and that is mainly because the continental grip is not comfortable and/or feels weak. I sometimes grip the racquet very tight to compensate, but this leads to more arm fatigue. I think I'm just gonna have to buy the book :)
 
I have his book, Tennis Mastery, and would highly recommend it. It is the single best instructional tennis book out there, and I have seen a lot of them.
 
Court Masters

David's book "Tennis Mastery," is well worth reading. I love his position on how tennis is taught, "transitionally," meaning we learn one way and then have to relearn techniques to get to the higher level of tennis. I think his whole premise is to get people started playing, "correctly" as soon as possible.

Here is a link to his site. http://www.tennismastery.net/

We are lucky to have David, Bungalow Bill and a few others who truly understand the game and have the gift of being able to explain it to us in terms that we can understand.

Maybe TW could create an new title, "Court Master," "Tennis Guru" or something like that to distinguish and recognize the true professionals who make significant contributions to this board.

Best regards,

Ed
 
Thanks for all the advice! I will be trying it out tomorrow.

But just 2 more Qs:

1) How far out to the side should the racquet be? Ie. Do I extend my arm straight?

2) For a volley at waist height, should the racquet be lying on its side like this:

O--

or standing up more on an angle a bit like this:

O
\



Thanks for the help- I really want to own this shot.

Good Questions, a couple points that we didn't discuss:

On the backhand volley, it is important to keep the hitting arm as straight as possible from before contact through contact. You will see this among almost all pros and skilled players. There are several reasons for this process:

1. Keeping the arm straight creates a longer 'lever'. This increases the leverage of the backhand volley. (Think about a longer crow bar makes lifting a car on a jack much easier than a short crow bar!)

2. Because the elbow is a hinge joint that folds in one direction, on the backhand volley as the player turns, the natural tendency is to bend the elbow. This means two additional things: One, you end up taking the racquet too far back; and Two, most players will try to make contact by extending the elbow to straight thus creating a very short lever-like stroke from the elbow joint instead of the shoulder.

If you watch Rafter's volley, he would bend the elbow, however, his backhand volley was hit with the whole arm moving as if the elbow was not bent. That is, his arm stays in the same bent position from start to finish. So, it acts like an arm that is held straight.

One hazard many players create is they try to get underspin by dropping the racquet head at the wrist. Slice or underspin on volleys is very desirable, however, don't slice by dropping the head at the wrist; instead, drive forward and down with the arm creating slice but maintaining the integrity of the racquet/forearm relationship.

Try to maintain the V of the racquet and the forearm for most all volleys.

On the forehand volley, you will want to keep the elbow close to the body and drive the bottom of your hand and the leading edge of your racquet down and through your volley. Because the forehand volley is out away from the body (as opposed to your backhand which the arm crosses the front of your body and ends up closer to your eyes), you will lose control the more the arm is held straight on the forehand side. Because the elbow doesn't bend the other way, the bent elbow won't hinder your forehand volley.

Best thing I can recommend is to look at the various pro volleys found at the various websites that have been mentioned here serveral times.

For those who aren't familiar with them:

www.tennisone.com
www.tennisplayer.net
www.hitechtennis.com

You will see exactly what I am talking about more clearly than words can explain.
 
Many thanks to Ed, Stroke, and Arnz regarding your kind words! It is a pleasure to share whatever I can with those interested!

Dave
 
After playing number one singles for Rancho Santiago Community College and for California State University, Fullerton, Dave joined his father, nationally recognized tennis coach Bruce Smith at La Quinta High School in Westminster, California. The two Smiths created a dynasty that lasted 22 years—winning 768 team league matches against only 9 loses. At one point, they had won 398 straight team matches.


That record is huge!!! Well done!!!
 
Hey k-bird, I think your second question was a little bit overlooked, but TM's/Dave's explanation of volley mechanics was fantastic. When you apply those principles to a lower ball, it becomes necessary to get your body down lower to keep control over the shot. Yes, it's time to bend your knees! This will help you avoid the "0--" postion with your racquet and the easiest thought to help me gauge how much to bend is to get low enough that I can keep my racquet head above my hands when I volley.
 
Thanks for all the responses again.

I tried out waiting for the ball, and although I still have a tendancy to switch to a more Eastern bh grip on my bh volley, my fh volley seemed better. Will take on board the new advice for next time.
I guess getting used to it will take months!

Thanks!
 
After playing number one singles for Rancho Santiago Community College and for California State University, Fullerton, Dave joined his father, nationally recognized tennis coach Bruce Smith at La Quinta High School in Westminster, California. The two Smiths created a dynasty that lasted 22 years—winning 768 team league matches against only 9 loses. At one point, they had won 398 straight team matches.


That record is huge!!! Well done!!!

Punisha,
It is rare someone actually looks up any of my records or research my history! Thank you for your complement!

My Dad was a big influence in my teaching...he was California Tennis Coach of the year and runner-up National Tennis Coach of the year in 1984 the year before he past away. He was an inspiration to many players and set the standard for high school tennis. I grew up playing against his team when I was in high school, coached with him for 3 years, coached against him for two years, and took over for him for 7 years after his death.

I don't know too many teams in any sport with that kind of record for that long of time.

Thanks again for bringing up a proud era for me!

Dave Smith,
Senior Editor, TennisOne.com
Author, Tennis Mastery
Owner, St. George Tennis Academy
Wilson Premier Advisory Staff
 
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