Big 3 aside: What is the future of the ATP?

What is the future of the ATP?

  • Big 3 ruined them

  • Shift towards other records

  • Pretend the records dont exists

  • Create a new dynamic somehow

  • Just wont be as exciting


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Lleytonstation

Talk Tennis Guru
Unfortunately it's the game itself. In team sports for example you have regional sponsorships. So the 80th best player in the league can still make bank in a particular region. In tennis the only team concept is national attention but that only comes with big time success at the Slams. Mind you Australia does a far better job than Canada for example but that's not going to change universally any time soon. How the payouts work might be tweaked but there are still massive advantages the higher seeds get that translates into easy money. Plus not every tournament can have the prize money payouts like the USO which gave 58k for 1st round exits and 18k for 2nd Qualifying winner. Indian Wells gives 16k for 1st round losers as one of the higher secondary tournaments but when accounting for expenses that might be close to minimum for a lot of players. But to change the cultural thinking of giving more prize money to 1st and 2nd round losers is asking a lot. As for subsidies for tennis in poorer nations, that's unlikely to happen outside individual player involvement.




The easiest way or I suppose the most logical to predict future progression is considering previous periods of progression and multiplying by 2. For example, look at progress made in movies from 1980-2020 and consider that same level of progress will be made from 2020-2040. Same in sport. Reality of sport in North America being saturated is just, well undeniable. The money aspect stems from shift in sponsorships, not necessarily more people spending a higher percentage of their earnings. But let's look at gridiron football, in the 1970s a lot of players in the highest league (NFL) had second jobs during the off-season, if not more than half considering all the bench spots. Now a lot has improved but most contracts are not guaranteed and the average tenure of a pro is still about 3-4 years. We'll see how brain damage affects the future of the sport but there's already a noticeable trend in student athletes playing less football. I mean, brain damage for no money and higher risk of injury inherent to the sport.

But what do you think is realistic by 2050 for example? Surely the only captivating next thing would be a player winning all 4 Slams in a year right? Then what if it happens more than once a decade? And most of the records won't just be unreachable, the Top 3 in most categories will be unreachable.
Yes, this is all true. But we truly engage in sports due to the drama. We were all gathered in awe watching the two sillys try and serve out a slam at USO20. It was drama unfolding and we could not look away.

So maybe I am wrong, maybe, we don't need great players, but great drama. Which means we might need to change the dynamics somehow to force that.
 

BGod

G.O.A.T.
Yes, this is all true. But we truly engage in sports due to the drama. We were all gathered in awe watching the two sillys try and serve out a slam at USO20. It was drama unfolding and we could not look away.

So maybe I am wrong, maybe, we don't need great players, but great drama. Which means we might need to change the dynamics somehow to force that.

I still haven't watched it and I saw most Slams live beginning from 01. I don't want to sound elitist here but as of yet I don't see any line-ups clamoring for anyone outside the Big 3. Not ignoring Wawrinka/Murray who I believe are past it or novelties like del Potro, etc. And call it conjecture but I've been to enough stadiums where more than half the crowd leaves after a Fed match despite the following match having, by metric, a decent chance of being better. The power of the Big 3, maybe more people need to see it live to understand.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Bionic Poster
Today was another horrible day for Next Gen. If they could at least major in minors maybe we could gas up the hype train again but they can't even do that right now.
 

Federer and Del Potro

Bionic Poster
So maybe I am wrong, maybe, we don't need great players, but great drama. Which means we might need to change the dynamics somehow to force that.

Agreed with this, I'd say even the past couple years the Big 3 matches was usually higher in drama than quality.

The problem for me is there aren't any of these young guys I legitimately root for so I just don't ever see myself caring the same again once the Old Guard passes the baton in 2040 or so.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
They’ll just have to treat it like the 80s expansion era in hockey. There are a bunch of uncatchable totals and records and we just don’t measure modern players by those standards. In that case, it was talent dilution due to league expansion. In the current case, people will see the last 20 years as the transition era to homogenized courts, poly, and lower swing weights among newer generations and as a result the record books got decimated
 
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