Nice one, real funny hahahahBut at what age did they each become 33?
I can't believe Djokovic is 33 already. Crazy to think all the best athletes in the last 10-15 years are now considered elder statesmen in their discipline now.
Messi is 32 (will turn 33 later this month)
Ronaldo is 35
Federer is 38 (will turn 39 in August)
Nadal is 34
Djokovic is 33
LeBron is 35 (will turn 36 in December)
Phelps is 34 (will turn 35 later this month)
Bolt is 33 (will turn 34 in August)
Tiger is 44 (will turn 45 in December)
Brady is 42 (will turn 43 in August)
Manning is 44
Serena is 38 (will turn 39 in September)
Crosby is 32 (will turn 33 in August)
Curry is 32
Hamilton is 35
Vettel is 32 (will turn 33 in July)
Pacqiuao is 41 (will turn 42 in December)
Good question. Based on what I've seen most of the names I listed above are still going very strong.So which physically intense sports are domimated by oldies besides tennis? I mean excluding things like golf, as well as motorsports where tech matters more (Prost retired as the world champ at 40 iirc).
Tennis is unique. It's intense but also contactless and individual. Its hard comparing to other sports.So which physically intense sports are domimated by oldies besides tennis?
The age of Aquarius[emoji6]But at what age did they each become 33?
I can't believe Djokovic is 33 already. Crazy to think all the best athletes in the last 10-15 years are now considered elder statesmen in their discipline now.
Messi is 32 (will turn 33 later this month)
Ronaldo is 35
Federer is 38 (will turn 39 in August)
Nadal is 34
Djokovic is 33
LeBron is 35 (will turn 36 in December)
Phelps is 34 (will turn 35 later this month)
Bolt is 33 (will turn 34 in August)
Tiger is 44 (will turn 45 in December)
Brady is 42 (will turn 43 in August)
Manning is 44
Serena is 38 (will turn 39 in September)
Crosby is 32 (will turn 33 in August)
Curry is 32
Hamilton is 35
Vettel is 32 (will turn 33 in July)
Pacqiuao is 41 (will turn 42 in December)
Once an athlete turns 28, people start to think of him as "almost 30" and basically see him as a thirty year old athlete. We see them as commodities many times, like his time is running out as he enters or is currently in his prime.It feels like Messi has been in his early 30s for 10 years now
Good question. Based on what I've seen most of the names I listed above are still going very strong.
- Messi and Ronaldo are still the two best players in the world and it still isn't close imo
- The big 3 are still the top 3 by a landslide
- LeBron is the second best player in the world behind Giannis imo
- Phelps and Bolt were still their dominant selves in Rio 2016 before riding into the sunset once the games concluded
- Tiger is the reigning Masters champ and returned to the top 5 after countless surgeries
- Brady and his team won 3 of the last 6 SBs and won MVP in '17 although he clearly regressed this past year
- Manning won MVP at age 37 and won a SB in his last season albeit he was carried pretty hard by his defense
- Serena is still making finals but can't seem to win them
- Crosby is still one of the best players in the NHL although the young guys like McDavid and MacKinnon are probably better at this point
- Curry is still in the peak/prime of his career
- Hamilton and Vettel have won nearly every WC this decade although as you said, the player with better tech atm will be more dominant (which explains why Vettel was so good in 2010-2013 and Hamilton from 2014 onward)
So out of all the oldies besides the big 3, Messi/CR7, LeBron, and Hamilton are the only ones who can make a very strong argument that they are still the world's best. they are
So which physically intense sports are domimated by oldies besides tennis? I mean excluding things like golf, as well as motorsports where tech matters more (Prost retired as the world champ at 40 iirc).
Older players are still great in the sports I follow, hockey, nfl, nba, but there are amazing young talents lighting it up in each sport as well. No doubt that money, training, nutrition will keep top players playing and playing well longer in most sports, but tennis is the only one I follow where the young players have done absolutely nothing.
What does this mean? It means it is "game over. "
But at what age did they each become 33?
it means that Federer and Djokovic mopped up weak fields at the beginning/end of their peaks while peak Nadal went head to head with peak/prime versions of both players. Clearly Nadal is the strong era GOAT (2007-13).
Strong era slam counts:
Nadal - 11
Federer - 8
Nole - 6
As you can see, totally decisive and unbiased analysis.
Scientific fact.Federer was older at 33 than Djokodal were at 33.
it means that Federer and Djokovic mopped up weak fields at the beginning/end of their peaks while peak Nadal went head to head with peak/prime versions of both players. Clearly Nadal is the strong era GOAT (2007-13).
Strong era slam counts:
Nadal - 11
Federer - 8
Nole - 6
YE#1
Nadal 3
Federer 2
Djokovic 2
As you can see, totally decisive and unbiased analysis.
Definitely, then again you can argue that Djoker and Fed had to deal with the most difficult clay era of all time.Nadal had the most peak years from 2007-2013 though, out of the 3. Not surprising to see him come out on top in that case.
Definitely, then again you can argue that Djoker and Fed had to deal with the most difficult clay era of all time.
Nadal had the most peak years from 2007-2013 though, out of the 3. Not surprising to see him come out on top in that case.
well of course, that’s why I picked those years lol
LeBron is 35 (will turn 36 in December)
Are you serious? That's the most shocking of all to me. I remember him being 18 like it was a few years ago.
You can say the same thing any which way you want. Take Nadal's case - he had to overcome a GOAT right from the age of 17 and by the time he had started collecting his victories and started getting into his peak, he had to contend with another GOAT in Djokovic for years. So yes, you can paint it any which way you want. End of the day when these guys are playing super long careers, they've had both- windows of opportunities to collect slams and have had tough periods.Well, the really interesting thing here is that Fed at 33 had been facing two other ATG's for 6 (Djoker) and 9 (Nadal) years. Who have Nadal and Djoker been facing, other than a guy 5-6 years older than them? Very hard to compare, given that the scenarios of the three careers are quite different. What I think is amazing is that Djoker still seems capable of steamrolling tournaments, as does Nadal, at the ages of 33 and 34. I'd never have predicted that a decade ago. Where are all the young challengers? It's a common refrain, I know, but I don't see a young Nadal on the horizon, and no one can tell me that any of these young guys could even hold a candle to 2005 Nadal. I also don't see anyone with Djoker's ball-striking coming up through the ranks. The future of tennis seems like such a wasteland... after these three.
Nadal 4 year end as #1.
You're underrating 2014-20 a lot.it means that Federer and Djokovic mopped up weak fields at the beginning/end of their peaks while peak Nadal went head to head with peak/prime versions of both players. Clearly Nadal is the strong era GOAT (2007-13).
Strong era slam counts:
Nadal - 11
Federer - 8
Nole - 6
YE#1
Nadal 3
Federer 2
Djokovic 2
As you can see, totally decisive and unbiased analysis.
You can say the same thing any which way you want. Take Nadal's case - he had to overcome a GOAT right from the age of 17 and by the time he had started collecting his victories and started getting into his peak, he had to contend with another GOAT in Djokovic for years. So yes, you can paint it any which way you want. End of the day when these guys are playing super long careers, they've had both- windows of opportunities to collect slams and have had tough periods.
Teen phenoms were not new but elite athletes playing beyond the age of 30 at elite levels is new. None of the previous era greats were playing at levels that the trio are consistently displaying after the age of 30.But the point is that teen phenoms were not surprising right up to Nadal. Look back at the list of young guys pulling off big victories, and you'll see the 90s, 80s, and 70s littered with them. What Nadal did did not surprise me in the least when he showed up on the scene and took his first French Open title at age 19 (not 17). Why not? Well, because of, perhaps, guys named Borg, Wilander, Kuerten, Hewitt, Safin, Chang, Courier, Edberg, Becker, McEnroe... all 20 or younger winning slams. Where are the young guys taking it from the older guys, like Nadal, Djoker, and Del Potro (the last 20 year old winner of a slam, in 2009 - and I remember watching him that summer - sad that the rest of his promising career was marred by injury) did? They are not doing it.
The GOAT of the Manning family is only 39Manning is 44
This fails to account for mono-infected drinking water in Basel that stunted Fed’s growth for his first five years.
Yeah, Rafa is a beast but the other two were more consistent across all surfaces combined.A true savage! So Nadal isn't standalone number one in any of those things?
I'd also put 15-17 Brady up there with any 3 year stretch ever by a QB. PFF ranked him number 1 from 2015-2018 at the ages of 38-41. Not bad.Manning 2013 is probably the best overall QB season ever. All kind of records were crushed that year by the "old man"...
And the guy was 37, and already with couple of injuries and surgeries. And we're talking serious injuries here, not the type of injuries you get from a walk in a park, or bathing your kids, but really serious health threatening injuries...
That insult is beneath even me.True that. Someone has to set the bar high. And others have to top it. They had very different maps to follow. Federer exploited new territory, while Nadal and Djokovic followed his route to overtake him.
Without 2017-2018 Federer would be a rich man's Sampras with a weaker backhand, which he eventually will be. For some.
That insult is beneath even me.
But maybe that says more about how i rate the 90's dudes.
You're underrating 2014-20 a lot.
Fedal were the top two ranked opponents in the first slam semi Nole made (2007 RG) and in the last (2020 AO).
Big3's highest win percentage against the field:
2020 - 94.4%
2011 - 91.3%
2012 - 90.3%
2013 - 89.7%
2015 - 88.9%
2014 - 88.7%
2017 - 88.5%
2019 - 87.8%
Slams won in these years: Djokovic 12, Nadal 9, Federer 3
Good question. Based on what I've seen most of the names I listed above are still going very strong.
- Messi and Ronaldo are still the two best players in the world and it still isn't close imo
- The big 3 are still the top 3 by a landslide
- LeBron is the second best player in the world behind Giannis imo
- Phelps and Bolt were still their dominant selves in Rio 2016 before riding into the sunset once the games concluded
- Tiger is the reigning Masters champ and returned to the top 5 after countless surgeries
- Brady and his team won 3 of the last 6 SBs and won MVP in '17 although he clearly regressed this past year
- Manning won MVP at age 37 and won a SB in his last season albeit he was carried pretty hard by his defense
- Serena is still making finals but can't seem to win them
- Crosby is still one of the best players in the NHL although the young guys like McDavid and MacKinnon are probably better at this point
- Curry is still in the peak/prime of his career
- Hamilton and Vettel have won nearly every WC this decade although as you said, the player with better tech atm will be more dominant (which explains why Vettel was so good in 2010-2013 and Hamilton from 2014 onward)
So out of all the oldies besides the big 3, Messi/CR7, LeBron, and Hamilton are the only ones who can make a very strong argument that they are still the world's best.
Lol this is so not the same thing.when Fed started, he had others ahead of him.
he had to defeat Pistol Pete and Agassi, he had to defeat some other great players, including a bunch of great players from his own generation.
Lol this is so not the same thing.