Big 3 Draws Discussion

[TripleATeam]

As tradition.

Djokovic:
R1: Carballes Baena
R2: Querrey
R3: Lajovic
R4: Wawrinka
QF: Medvedev
SF: Federer
F: Nadal

Federer:
R1: Qualifier
R2: Dzumhur
R3: Pouille
R4: Goffin
QF: Nishikori
SF: Djokovic
F: Nadal

Nadal:
R1: Millman
R2: Kokkinakis/Qualifier
R3: Verdasco
R4: Isner/Cilic
QF: Khachanov
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic

Personally, I rate Djokovic's draw as 8.5-9/10. Quite difficult, especially from R4 on. Federer's is really easy until Djokovic. 4/10. Nadal's lacks anyone that can hurt him until the final. 2-3/10.

 

[Deleted member 766172]

Djokovic with an awful draw. Fed and Nadal are bout equal (moderate). Fed unlucky to fall in Djoker's half.

 

[icedevil0289]

thiem was close to beating nadal last year so i guess he would be nadal's toughest opponent before the final maybe. he also had a tough match against karen as well. fed on paper looks decent, idk if i should be concerned about pouille or not.

id say novak's is definitely the toughest.

 

[icedevil0289]

Djokovic with an awful draw. Fed and Nadal are bout equal (moderate). Fed unlucky to fall in Djoker's half.

well atleast this time if he squanders two mps its not championship points

 

[Deleted member 766172]

well atleast this time if he squanders two mps its not championship points

I don't want flashbacks to 2011 either

 

[Deleted member 77403]

well atleast this time if he squanders two mps its not championship points

Yep, it will just be a USO 10 and 11 flashback.

 

[NuBas]

From easy to hardest. Nadal, Federer, Djokovic.

 

[TripleATeam]

thiem was close to beating nadal last year so i guess he would be nadal's toughest opponent before the final maybe. fed on paper looks decent, idk if i should be concerned about pouille or not.

id say novak's is definitely the toughest.

Decent? To me that personally looks like a godsend. Give me Federer's R1-QF over Novak's in a heartbeat. The only reason Federer's is harder than Nadal's is that Federer meets Djokovic in SF, whereas Nadal only meets Thiem.

 

[Deleted member 766172]

Who drew Kyrgios?

 

[weakera]

I actually think Bull has the toughest R1-R4.

Carballes-Querrey-Lajovic-Stan R1-4 in 2019 is a joke to be honest.

 

[TripleATeam]

Who drew Kyrgios?

Kyrgios
R1: Johnson
R2: Mayer
R3: Tsitsipas
R4: RBA
QF: Thiem
SF: Nadal
F: Djokovic

He's about as far from a Big 3 member as possible.

 

[weakera]

Who drew Kyrgios?

Stefanos

 

[Deleted member 766172]

Kyrgios
R1: Johnson
R2: Mayer
R3: Tsitsipas
R4: RBA
QF: Thiem
SF: Nadal
F: Djokovic

He's about as far from a Big 3 member as possible.

rigged

 

[icedevil0289]

Decent? To me that personally looks like a godsend. Give me Federer's R1-QF over Novak's in a heartbeat. The only reason Federer's is harder than Nadal's is that Federer meets Djokovic in SF, whereas Nadal only meets Thiem.

i mean i say decent because who knows with fed these days. he lost to rublev in r2 cincy, a tournament where he has historically done well. He lost to millman last year, where everyone thought that would be easy. lmao hence the decent.

I do agree before djokovic, it doesn't look like he has anyone who can really hurt him, maybe kei can push him like he did at AO, but also idek with fed's form so yeah

 

[Yugram]

Federer — cake
Nadal — cake except Khachanov QF
Djokovic — tricky, on paper

 

[Tennis_Freak99]

I actually think Bull has the toughest R1-R4.

Carballes-Querrey-Lajovic-Stan R1-4 in 2019 is a joke to be honest.

Stan loves to play Novak, it suits his game.

Mind you, it'll be their first meeting since 2016 USO

 

[icedevil0289]

Yep, it will just be a USO 10 and 11 flashback.

yeah "just" sighh. thanks to the wimbledon **** up, suddenly the other two in comparison is oh well thank god it wasn't championship points

 

[StrongRule]

How exactly does Djokovic has an awful draw? The only potential threat is Med, but he will probably not even get that far. Federer is DEFINITELY a much easier opponent for Djokovic than Thiem right now. Especially after what happened in Wimbledon.

 

[OhYes]

So many bad possibilities in Novak's draw. Will Querrey be good or not like in Cincy? Will Wawrinka cause troubles ? Fed in semi is a lot worse than Fed in final.

 

[TripleATeam]

I actually think Bull has the toughest R1-R4.

Carballes-Querrey-Lajovic-Stan R1-4 in 2019 is a joke to be honest.

RCB and Lajovic will be pushovers, sure, but Querrey is a big server early on. That could be troublesome. Give me Kokkinakis any day.

I'd gladly have Novak play Nadal's R1-R4 instead of his own. Having Stan right before Medvedev and a servebot in R2 is harder for Djokovic than 3 players who have never really given him trouble and 1 big server in R4.

 

[StrongRule]

So many bad possibilities in Novak's draw. Will Querrey be good or not like in Cincy? Will Wawrinka cause troubles ? Fed in semi is a lot worse than Fed in final.

The days when Federer was a threat to Djokovic are over. You are like 7 years late.

 

[OhYes]

The days when Federer was a threat to Djokovic are over. You are like 7 years late.

Fed doesn't have jitters in semi.

 

[weakera]

RCB and Lajovic will be pushovers, sure, but Querrey is a big server early on. That could be troublesome. Give me Kokkinakis any day.

I'd gladly have Novak play Nadal's R1-R4 instead of his own. Having Stan right before Medvedev and a servebot in R2 is harder for Djokovic than 3 players who have never really given him trouble and 1 big server in R4.

Nole will kill Querrey.

 

[StrongRule]

Fed doesn't have jitters in semi.

Yeah, the worst choke of his career (USO 2011) never happened, it was a dream I guess.

 

[Lleytonstation]

As tradition.

Djokovic:
R1: Carballes Baena
R2: Querrey
R3: Lajovic
R4: Wawrinka
QF: Medvedev
SF: Federer
F: Nadal

Federer:
R1: Qualifier
R2: Dzumhur
R3: Pouille
R4: Goffin
QF: Nishikori
SF: Djokovic
F: Nadal

Nadal:
R1: Millman
R2: Kokkinakis/Qualifier
R3: Verdasco
R4: Isner/Cilic
QF: Khachanov
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic

Personally, I rate Djokovic's draw as 8.5-9/10. Quite difficult, especially from R4 on. Federer's is really easy until Djokovic. 4/10. Nadal's lacks anyone that can hurt him until the final. 2-3/10.

Let's see how "tough" Mr. beast is now. I am talking about the big match Stan the man...

 

[StrongRule]

Federer — cake
Nadal — cake except Khachanov QF
Djokovic — tricky, on paper

Nadal has different opponents against whom he used to struggle, like Verdasco and Thiem. I would prefer Djokovic to have them to be honest.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Yeah, the worst choke of his career (USO 2011) never happened, it was a dream I guess.

Hmmm, I don't remember that.

 

[AlexanderTheGreat08]

Very happy with this as a Nadal fan , Hopefully everythings goes well for him and awful to the rest of the Big 3. #19 in 2019

 

[marc45]

As tradition.

Djokovic:
R1: Carballes Baena
R2: Querrey
R3: Lajovic
R4: Wawrinka
QF: Medvedev
SF: Federer
F: Nadal

Federer:
R1: Qualifier
R2: Dzumhur
R3: Pouille
R4: Goffin
QF: Nishikori
SF: Djokovic
F: Nadal

Nadal:
R1: Millman
R2: Kokkinakis/Qualifier
R3: Verdasco
R4: Isner/Cilic
QF: Khachanov
SF: Thiem
F: Djokovic

Personally, I rate Djokovic's draw as 8.5-9/10. Quite difficult, especially from R4 on. Federer's is really easy until Djokovic. 4/10. Nadal's lacks anyone that can hurt him until the final. 2-3/10.

skipped right over Zverev in Rafa's draw

 

[OhYes]

Yeah, the worst choke of his career (USO 2011) never happened, it was a dream I guess.

It wasn't a choke.

 

[TripleATeam]

Nole will kill Querrey.

You're probably right. He could likely kill any R2 opponent he could get. A servebot is just the most likely to cause an upset of anyone.

 

[Yugram]

Nadal has different opponents against whom he used to struggle, like Verdasco and Thiem. I would prefer Djokovic to have them to be honest.

Did you see Thiem’s draw? I had big hopes on him at this USO, but now I don’t think he will make it to semi.

 

[weakera]

You're probably right. He could likely kill any R2 opponent he could get. A servebot is just the most likely to cause an upset of anyone.

True. But in reality it would be difficult to hand select a difficult draw for Nole on hardcourt right now. If he loses before the SF it will be a seismic upset.

 

[TheAssassin]

The days when Federer was a threat to Djokovic are over. You are like 7 years late.

Ace away from beating Djokovic in a Slam final last month.
Not a threat to Djokovic.

Only in your world.

 

[TripleATeam]

skipped right over Zverev in Rafa's draw

Yeah, I figured we all realized Zverev has never made a slam SF, even when he was playing well. And now... well, he's not.

 

[StrongRule]

It wasn't a choke.

Lol, oh yes, it was. Once he missed the second matchpoint he totally gave up and stopped even trying. At least in Wimbledon 2019 final he kept fighting until the end. If USO 2011 wasn't a choke then I have no idea what is.

 

[imageFAM]

another cuppycake draw for federer

 

[StrongRule]

Ace away from beating Djokovic in a Slam final last month.
Not a threat to Djokovic.

Only in your world.

And nobody in the world had any doubts that Djokovic will win. Federer can lead 6-0 in a tiebreak and he will still lose. He is not beating Djokovic ever again, on any court. His last win was in 2015!

 

[DRII]

Fed doesn't have jitters in semi.

it actually is better for Federer to face Djokovic in the semi vs the final.

don't understand why his fans don't recognize that.

 

[TripleATeam]

True. But in reality it would be difficult to hand select a difficult draw for Nole on hardcourt right now. If he loses before the SF it will be a seismic upset.

True - that's why we have to look at the draws less in terms of "actual risk" and "most risky of all potential options." You could bring in a 2007 Federer to now and give him the hardest player you could think of in every round, and he'd still beat each one in at most 4 sets - doesn't mean his draw wasn't hard, right? Just means not even hard draws can trouble him.

 

[OhYes]

it actually is better for Federer to face Djokovic in the semi vs the final.

don't understand why his fans don't recognize that.

Ofc.

 

[weakera]

True - that's why we have to look at the draws less in terms of "actual risk" and "most risky of all potential options." You could bring in a 2007 Federer to now and give him the hardest player you could think of in every round, and he'd still beat each one in at most 4 sets - doesn't mean his draw wasn't hard, right? Just means not even hard draws can trouble him.

Agreed but I still don't believe Nole's draw is difficult.

 

[StrongRule]

it actually is better for Federer to face Djokovic in the semi vs the final.

don't understand why his fans don't recognize that.

It doesn't matter what stage. Federer is not beating Djokovic ever again. I'm not his fan and I know that. He can lead 6-0 in a tiebreak and I will still expect Djokovic to win.

 

[TripleATeam]

Agreed but I still don't believe Nole's draw is difficult.

Fair enough. I guess we have different criteria.

 

[MichaelNadal]

Very happy with this as a Nadal fan , Hopefully everyone things goes well for him and awful to the rest of the Big 3. #19 in 2019

Eh, it's about fair to me, I can't say "very happy"

 

[DRII]

It doesn't matter what stage. Federer is not beating Djokovic ever again. I'm not his fan and I know that. He can lead 6-0 in a tiebreak and I will still expect Djokovic to win.

Federer has a much better chance to beat Djokovic in a semi than in a final.

whether it ever happens again, we'll see.

 

[jm1980]

In increasing difficulty: Federer << Nadal <<< Djokovic

 

[AlexanderTheGreat08]

Eh, it's about fair to me, I can't say "very happy"

You’re right. Thiem , Kachanov and Cilic worry me , But I don’t they will make it

 

[marc45]

@SteveTignor
@usopen
first-round highlights

Serena/Sharapova

Auger-Aliassime/Shapovalov

Sabalenka/Azarenka

Tsitsipas/Rublev

Konta/Kasatkina

Fognini/Opelka

Fritz/Feli

Muguruza/Riske

Kyrgios/S. Johnson

Sakkari/Giorgi

Osaka/Blinkova

Rafa/Millman

 

[ADuck]

I think in terms of difficulty it's Djokovic, then Federer = Nadal. Big reason for Federer being equal with Nadal being he has to face 2 of the big 3. But given that Federer is seeded #3 and was already guaranteed for that to be the case, this is the easiest draw possible for him (if he plans on winning it that is). Nadal fans should be happy too as only having to face one of Federer/Djokovic boosts his odds of winning by quite a bit. Djokovic = maybe one of the worst draws possible given the circumstances.