Federer and Del Potro
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Let's all sing kumbaya and cry about the draw even though one of the big three will win it all.
Big 3 Draws Discussion
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Third Serve
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To me, it seems dumb to discuss draws even before the event begins. There's an astronomically high probability that the projected draws never actually happen so why don't we wait until one of the Big 3 wins the tournament before groaning and moaning?
Lleytonstation
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TennisFan3
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Stan the FAT man hasn't done anything notable since forever. And Medvedev hasn't done anything at the slam level. Remember when people were hyping Agut - until Novak crushed him in Wimb.
Fed and Nadal are tougher anyday than these guys. Coz those 2 are champions unlike the others.
TennisFan3
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It's a pattern for Nadal. His natural aggression has completely been abandoned, He plays percentages which sucks considering he started as a naturally offensive player in 2004.
The matches where Nadal has been the most aggressive are those when he is DOWN and OUT (vs Novak UsOpen 2011 Final 3rd set) or he's injured and can't run (vs Delpo Wimbledon 2011 R4).
My point is that he CANNOT beat Fed and Novak outside of clay without being sufficiently offensive. That is why Fed has reversed the matchup with Rafa since 2017. It has been ridiculously one sided, once the Swiss has ramped up the aggression.
Nadal can't fight fire with fire. He doesn't trust his game enough to throw caution to the wind and hit his shots. And now that he doesn't have the wheels of old, he gets into trouble. Loses the match in the best case and gets injured in the worst case.
Lleytonstation
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This could be big, depending on ventilation system...
titoelcolombiano
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I don't know about that; Isner / Cilic, Khachanov and Thiem will be a tough run.
Shangri La
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Nadal draws a bunch of next gen scrubs. lol.
StrongRule
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In AO Medvedev gave Djokovic a much better fight than Nadal did.
Wurm
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It's as if Stan hadn't had the double knee surgery and we're still in a post-FO'15 final haze.
Granted, his match with Tsitsipas at the FO this year was epic (best match I've watched this year) and played at a level I didn't think Stan could still produce... but it was against Tsitsipas, not Novak.
Granted, his match with Tsitsipas at the FO this year was epic (best match I've watched this year) and played at a level I didn't think Stan could still produce... but it was against Tsitsipas, not Novak.
alexio
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fed' half
vladap
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there's no such a thing
TennisFan3
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Medvedev has ZERO chance of beating Novak. He probably won't even make the QF.
I'm really tired of people hyping up the Russian. What has he done at the slam level? Took one set off Novak?
He will NOT reach the QF of the UsOpen, but if he somehow does, Novak will thrash him in straights. That I can guarantee you.
Please stop overrating Medvedev. He is nothing right now, and like 99.9999% of the new gen - he will amount to NOTHING as well.
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TennisFan3
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Excellent post. Haha.
Of course they will win tournaments , but that will be AFTER the big 3 retire. Because these guys are just NOT good enough to compete with even the sub-par and slow big 3.
I can tell you that Novak is not going anywhere for the next 4-5 years at the slam level. Fed/Nadal possibly another couple of years at least - maybe more. What is their incentive to retire when they can still win slams and make $$.
5 years from now this NEW GEN won't be new-gen as they will be in their late 20s. That is when they will FINALLY start to win tournaments, when Fedalovic got bored and quit.
This is the reality: Tennis is DYING. The depth of talent is super pathetic compared to the 80s and the 90s. Most youngsters do NOT want to take up tennis but go to other sports. At least the gifted athletes do.
That is why the big 3 are reaping fruits and winning when they are ancient in tennis terms - early to late 30s.
The natural law of the universe is that the young devour the old. But in tennis, this law has been turned upside down. Because of the lack of talent, the old are STILL ruling the world of tennis.
Honestly a lot of the threats in Djokovic and Nadal’s draw seem a bit overblown by some people. Cilic is 15-13 on the year. He’s not even reaching Nadal, let alone beating him. Verdasco has challenged Nadal in the past, but he’s old and finds that kind of form ever more infrequently. Very slim chance he manages to play at a level that would even challenge let alone beat Nadal. Wawrinka is still working his way back from injury and will probably never reach the peaks he reached in 2013-2017. Same with Querrey.
Their quarterfinal opponents are more significant threats in my eyes, at least compared to Fed’s. But early rounds all look fairly even to me. Should be a fun tournament.
And it’s probably better for Fed to play Djoko before the final to reduce the pressure a bit. So I can’t really say I’m bummed about that. Wish there were a Murray or Wawrinka type of player to even things out for the other half, but maybe Thiem will be able to find the kind of form he did last year and play some killer tennis.
Their quarterfinal opponents are more significant threats in my eyes, at least compared to Fed’s. But early rounds all look fairly even to me. Should be a fun tournament.
And it’s probably better for Fed to play Djoko before the final to reduce the pressure a bit. So I can’t really say I’m bummed about that. Wish there were a Murray or Wawrinka type of player to even things out for the other half, but maybe Thiem will be able to find the kind of form he did last year and play some killer tennis.
Slimerer
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I just hope he doesn't get Hyeon Chung
UnderratedSlam
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Djokovic got Wawrinka and Medvedev in 4th and 5th matches, the rounds he struggles the most. Seed 1 vs seed 5.
Coincidence? Hardly.
The draw is rigged, once again, and this needs to be finally addressed or tennis is going the way of FIFA and boxing federations...
raph6
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LMAO I was right, the draw is so much rigged
This is the point. Wawrinka is never more dangerous than when written off as a no hoper. When he plays without fear thats when he becomes dangerous
Lleytonstation
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I just don't think he physically can.
Is he still not physically there yet? Ive not watched a full match of his since Tsitsipas match in Paris...but i thought the signs lookes great for him in Paris moving forward.
Lleytonstation
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Fed dismissed him at RG and Fed got smacked by Rafa. This summer he just looks slow, out of shape, and wild at times.
Breakpointerer
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Fed vs Wawrinka was close tho, not a beatdown or anything
Lleytonstation
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Yes, but isnt Wawa supposed to be a beast on clay? Was this not Fed's first RG in several years?
I just think Wawa has done what he is going to do, and I would be shocked if he reaches or beats Djoker... but I would be ecstatic.
Breakpointerer
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Yeah I don't expect him to do anything vs Djoker should they meet.Yes, but isnt Wawa supposed to be a beast on clay? Was this not Fed's first RG in several years?
I just think Wawa has done what he is going to do, and I would be shocked if he reaches or beats Djoker... but I would be ecstatic.
But yes, would be great if he somehow pulled it off
MichaelNadal
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OhYes
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Djokovic still in the lead by many experts
Sudacafan
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I doubt Fed gets to second week, and that has nothing to do with his draw.
Always looks out of shape lol..then surprises us all. Not saying he will win it but if he gets to Djokovic could be an upset.
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As entertained as I would be if Kyrgios won, someone tell this Luke Jensen guy that you are supposed to pick THE favorite for the TOURNAMENT not YOUR favorite player.Djokovic still in the lead by many experts
tennis_pro
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From Federer, Nagal, Djokovic:
Nagal had the toughest draw because he had Federer in the 1st round
Nagal had the toughest draw because he had Federer in the 1st round
tennis_pro
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I'm bored with the old big 3, we need a new one. I nominate:
Federer-ico Delbonis
Nagal
Marko Djokovic
Federer-ico Delbonis
Nagal
Marko Djokovic
Im(moral) Winner
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So Anderson, Berdych and Fognini already out of the """tough""" draw
TripleATeam
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Was anyone seriously thinking those 3 would make it to Djokovic? All this does is make Djokovic's opponents less likely to lose before reaching him. Querrey is the big plus in Djokovic's draw so far.
Come back when Wawrinka, Medvedev, Federer, or Nadal lose.
Im(moral) Winner
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Forgot to also mention Querrey. He, Anderson and Berdych caused complaints about being in Novak's draw from some Novak fans.
ForumMember
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Can we get names of TTW experts added to this list?Djokovic still in the lead by many experts
TripleATeam
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Those guys probably missed how badly Berdych has been playing and Anderson's injury then. I don't think Djokovic is losing before the QF, so it's really the QF-F that I'm concerned about.
except that it turned to be the toughest match for Novak.
except that it is not the first time when he troubled Novak. If you look back in time, they met in Davis Cup, when he was probably not even in top 100, and guess what, he managed to get a set out of Novak. But then burned out during the match and lost. Happens.
except that recently he defeated Novak, when Novak had a pretty much open draw and he needed 2 matches + 1 set to win a Masters? yeah, right, Novak wanted to play Federer, and as he lost, Novak lost interest to a match vs Rublev.
P.S. the guy is in top 5 in the world.
calling a top 5 in the world "nothing"?
I hope you are the sensei / master in your job where everyone seeks your advice and not just a salty keyboard warrior fanboy / fangirl.
TripleATeam
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Nadal:
R1: Millman
R2: Kokkinakis
R3: Verdasco/Chung
R4: Cilic/Isner
QF: Zverev
SF: Kyrgios/Monfils
Im(moral) Winner
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weakera
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We really think Sascha is making that QF?
DSH
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TripleATeam
G.O.A.T.
Update after week 1 draw is done:
Djokovic:
R1: Carballes Baena
R2:
R3:
R4: Wawrinka
QF: Medvedev
SF: Federer
F: Nadal
Federer:
R1: Qualifier (Nagal)
R2: Dzumhur
R3:
R4: Goffin
QF:
SF: Djokovic
F: Nadal
Nadal:
R1: Millman
R2: Kokkinakis
R3:
R4: Cilic
QF:
SF:
F: Djokovic
hipolymer
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you were saying?
Lleytonstation
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Like I said, Wawa is no type of threat. He will get straights here. He was not even the better player in the first set. Wawa is getting smothered in the rallies and has now lost his serve.
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Djokovic's draw is brutal.
