Big 3 draws US Open

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Nadal:

R1: Ferrer
R2: Pospisil/Lacko
R3: Khachanov
R4: Edmund/Sock
QF: Thiem/Anderson
SF: Delpo/Wawrinka/Dimitrov/Raonic
F: Djokovic/Federer


Federer:

R1: Nishioka
R2: Paire
R3: Kyrgios
R4: Fognini/Chung
QF: Djokovic
SF: Cilic/Goffin/Zverev
F: Nadal

Djokovic:

R1: Fucsovics
R2: Troicki/Sandgren
R3: Gasquet
R4: Pouille/Carreno Busta
QF: Federer
SF: Cilic/Goffin/Zverev
F: Nadal
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
So in terms of difficulty:
Federer's draw
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Djokovic's draw
Nadal's draw
 

AlexanderTheGreat08

Hall of Fame
As a Nadal fan , This is great:D , A little worried about Delpo and Wawrinka but I think they will be gassed by then , Let’s just hope Nadal doesn’t get an upset
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
It was 50/50 between Nadal/Nole to win the USO, but the outcome of the draw has shift in favor of Nadal to win it all.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
From the players' perspective or in general difficulty? What makes Fed's draw tougher than Djoko's -- just the first four rounds in general and especially R3 and R4?
Exactly. QF to the end are roughly the same difficulty, but R3 and R4 could take a lot out of Federer, whereas they are unlikely to do that to Djokovic.
 
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It was 50/50 between Nadal/Nole to win the USO, but the outcome of the draw has shift in favor of Nadal to win it all.

Because Djokovic has to play Federer?
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Because Djokovic has to play Federer?
1)Nadal has easier road to the final.

2)If Nole is in Nadal's half, one of them has to eliminated. Nadal's odd decreases with Nole stands in his way before the final
 
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Cilic will likely be a tougher opponent than delpo too unless delpo is fully healthy but with those 2 you never know.

I think Djokovic will be perfectly fine playing Cilic, and probably would prefer playing him than Del Potro IMO. Or Wawrinka for that matter.

I think if we look at the draw from Djokovic's perspective, then it is quite a good draw. He had to take out Federer and Nadal in one order or another any way, a quarter final match means, he will have time to refocus for Nadal, and while all due respect to Cilic, I think Cilic is much more preferable than Del Potro and Wawrinka.
 
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1)Nadal has easier road to the final.

2)If Nole is in Nole's half, one of them has to eliminated. Nadal's odd decreases with Nole stands in his way before the final

But also means that Nadal will now likely get his toughest opponent in the final, instead of an Anderson or Thiem quality player.
 

metsman

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I think Djokovic will be perfectly fine playing Cilic, and probably would prefer playing him than Del Potro IMO. Or Wawrinka for that matter.

I think if we look at the draw from Djokovic's perspective, then it is quite a good draw. He had to take out Federer and Nadal in one order or another any way, a quarter final match means, he will have time to refocus for Nadal, and while all due respect to Cilic, I think Cilic is much more preferable than Del Potro and Wawrinka.
Wawrinka is not much of a factor imo, he played a decent match against Nadal in Canada but Nadal makes any half consistent big hitter look good (Same caveat goes for Delpo at Wimbledon). A Stan in half decent form would have beaten Federer in straights in Cincy. Stan isn't particularly great at USO either.

Delpo is generally overrated too. Beat an out of form Fed last year sure, when was his last truly impressive win at a major? Also, his BH and movement at this stage makes him a fairly easy target in B05 as long as you can execute a gameplan. Cilic is a question mark too, but he played well against Nadal and Djokovic in the Masters events, just with his trademark mental breakdowns. But his top level right now is better than Delpo's due to Delpo's glaring weaknesses. Both guys are flawed.
 

metsman

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Delpo is harder for Nadal than Cilic to Djokovic
yeah Delpo is so hard for Nadal with no BH and deteriorating movement. Only half decent player Nadal has managed to beat at Wimbledon in 8 years, so hard.

Delpo and Cilic fall into a similar bucket for me, but honestly I think Cilic has more of a chance to actual pull off an upset. Neither guy will be much of a threat for an in form Nadal or Djokovic unless they show much better form than what they have recently.
 
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Wawrinka is not much of a factor imo, he played a decent match against Nadal in Canada but Nadal makes any half consistent big hitter look good (Same caveat goes for Delpo at Wimbledon). A Stan in half decent form would have beaten Federer in straights in Cincy. Stan isn't particularly great at USO either.

Delpo is generally overrated too. Beat an out of form Fed last year sure, when was his last truly impressive win at a major? Also, his BH and movement at this stage makes him a fairly easy target in B05 as long as you can execute a gameplan. Cilic is a question mark too, but he played well against Nadal and Djokovic in the Masters events, just with his trademark mental breakdowns. But his top level right now is better than Delpo's due to Delpo's glaring weaknesses. Both guys are flawed.

Factor or not, I am sure Djokovic would take Cilic over those two guys on these courts. Djokovic enjoys the Cilic match up far more than the one against those two. If you can avoid them, why not? Djokovic's real test is whoever he plays in that quarter final, Federer or possibly Kyrgios, though I think Federer will the most likely opponent.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Your personal thoughts?

Nadal has the easier projected draw out of the big 3 but a lot has to play out so no point to sook about it before the tournament even starts.

Everyone thought Fed had a clear path to the Wimbledon final. How'd that turn out? He lost to a guy nobody would have seen him losing to. Same thing can happen to any of them. If Novak goes out before the qf, Fed's got the easier draw because Nadal has Delpo in his half again.
 

metsman

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Factor or not, I am sure Djokovic would take Cilic over those two guys on these courts. Djokovic enjoys the Cilic match up far more than the one against those two. If you can avoid them, why not? Djokovic's real test is whoever he plays in that quarter final, Federer or possibly Kyrgios, though I think Federer will the most likely opponent.
We will see what happens. I don't like focusing on draws anyways because they can easily get shaken up.

Getting tougher for me to take tennis seriously with the same 3 guys, all of whom are way diminished, being the only factors. Hope we can still get entertaining and competitive matches, like we did at Wimby, though. That alone is a huge step up from most of the recent majors. But it's always in the back of your head, that the level is just below par.
 
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We will see what happens. I don't like focusing on draws anyways because they can easily get shaken up.

Getting tougher for me to take tennis seriously with the same 3 guys, all of whom are way diminished, being the only factors. Hope we can still get entertaining and competitive matches, like we did at Wimby, though. That alone is a huge step up from most of the recent majors. But it's always in the back of your head, that the level is just below par.

Well, sure, it would be nice to see some break out stars, I am all for that at every tournament.
 

AlexanderTheGreat08

Hall of Fame
Factor or not, I am sure Djokovic would take Cilic over those two guys on these courts. Djokovic enjoys the Cilic match up far more than the one against those two. If you can avoid them, why not? Djokovic's real test is whoever he plays in that quarter final, Federer or possibly Kyrgios, though I think Federer will the most likely opponent.
Djokovic knows not getting Stan in his half is a blessing, Stan did great at Cincy and Montreal and he peaks at the majors
 
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Nadal has the easier projected draw out of the big 3 but a lot has to play out so no point to sook about it before the tournament even starts.

Everyone thought Fed had a clear path to the Wimbledon final. How'd that turn out? He lost to a guy nobody would have seen him losing to. Same thing can happen to any of them. If Novak goes out before the qf, Fed's got the easier draw because Nadal has Delpo in his half again.

Well, sure, but we all just speculating. Everyone does it before the event begins. Pundits, former pros etc.

Of course the tennis is played on the court and not on paper, otherwise they would have been handing the trophy straight after the award ceremony.
 
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Djokovic knows not getting Stan in his half is a blessing, Stan did great at Cincy and Montreal and he peaks at the majors

Djokovic if he gets to the final plays only one of Nadal/Del Potro/Wawrinka.

Imagine if Djokovic has Wawrinka third round, Federer quarter, Del Potro semi....I think he is just fine. He was always going to get Fedal in some order, just so happens it is Federer first, then Nadal...again should they play of course.
 

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
Well, sure, but we all just speculating. Everyone does it before the event begins. Pundits, former pros etc.

Of course the tennis is played on the court and not on paper, otherwise they would have been handing the trophy straight after the award ceremony.

No we're not all just speculating. The majority of Fed fans are crying over it.
 
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No we're not all just speculating. The majority of Fed fans are crying over it.

Well, I asked you directly for your thoughts. Not interested in who is crying over what. Do you see me crying as I asked you?
 

Mack-2

Professional
We will see what happens. I don't like focusing on draws anyways because they can easily get shaken up.

Getting tougher for me to take tennis seriously with the same 3 guys, all of whom are way diminished, being the only factors. Hope we can still get entertaining and competitive matches, like we did at Wimby, though. That alone is a huge step up from most of the recent majors. But it's always in the back of your head, that the level is just below par.

Same here. I used to enjoy it but it’s becoming too predictable. Can’t wait for 16 seeds at the AO to shake things up a bit.
 

Atennisone

Hall of Fame
Lol, if Kyrgios doesn't advance to 3rd round (which is very likely), Fed clearly has the easiest draw to the QF:
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Lol, if Kyrgios doesn't advance to 3rd round (which is very likely), Fed clearly has the easiest draw to the QF:
I don't see why you're concern about Federer since he's not going to win the USO anyway. In a meantime, enjoy Nadal soft draw, he's the favorite to win it now.
 

Thundergod

Hall of Fame
Same here. I used to enjoy it but it’s becoming too predictable. Can’t wait for 16 seeds at the AO to shake things up a bit.
16 seeds will shake things up, but not really relating to the Big 3. Although they are all past their prime now, how often do the Big 3 ever lose to players seeded outside the top 16? Hardly ever unless it's someone who is seeded low due to injury or Nadal at Wimby.
 

mistik

Hall of Fame
Agreed.Nadal is no match for Djokovic on non clay courts.I mean when was the last time Nadal managed to defeat him on non clay courts.
Well Djokovic very difficult match for Rafa but he has more chances to beat him than Federer. I doubt Fed is even capable of pushing Djokovic even on grass.
 

AlexanderTheGreat08

Hall of Fame
And Cilic, who seems to be in better form than Del Potro as of now (Del Potro didn't look great at Cincinnati). But I am 100% sure Djokovic will reach the final. The final will be a 5 sets hell, with Djokovic being slightly favorite.
Delpo had to play two matches in one day which is a lot for a guy like him , But he got the rest he needed, He retired from Rome injured and reached the RG semis , Withdrew from Queens and gave Nadal a big fight in the QF of Wimby, He likes the USO conditions
 
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