Big 3 draws US Open

[NoleFam]

Djokovic's Wimbledon draw was definitely easier than Nadal's. None of the opponents he played before facing Nadal would have troubled Nadal. I agree that Nadal did avoid players who could trouble him on grass in early rounds but that's about it. He has been getting them regularly since 2012 so it was just a law of averages. But from QF onward Nadal had the tougher draw. He got the toughest possible QF opponent, even you would agree that Del Potro would have been a lot tougher for Djokovic than Nishikori. And look at Djokovic's seed and Nadal's. Lower seeds usually get tougher draws, he got incredibly lucky at Wimbledon and even in the final he got someone who played 7 hours in semi. For his seed Djokovic is getting some incredible draws this year, you can't deny it. I wouldn't cry about Nadal who's the #1 seed if I was a Djokovic fan. As for playing Federer, Djokovic would prefer to play him (given his current form) in QF over 2 of the other 3 options, Nadal and Del Potro. Only Zverev would have been easier.

The comparison between Anderson and Federer doesn't even arise because Nadal can't play Federer in QF.

So because Nadal had one tough opponent before the SF, he had the tougher draw overall? No way. Djokovic had already played Edmund, Khachanov and Nishikori before the SF, top 20 and top 30 players. Nadal got a cakewalk until the QF. You must be kidding. Djokovic didn't get lucky. He beat everybody in his path and won the title. No luck involved.

Djokovic is getting easy draws this year? So playing Dimitrov, Raonic, Cilic and Federer back to back, the last 3 Cincy champs, is what you consider an easy draw? That was harder than Nadal's Toronto draw, plus he had to play an extra round because he didn't get a bye. No one's crying about Nadal's USO draw. I just pointed out that he is incredibly fortunate at the USO and he has been.

 

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So because Nadal had one tough opponent before the SF, he had the tougher draw overall? No way. Djokovic had already played Edmund, Khachanov and Nishikori before the SF, all top 20 and top 30 players. Nadal got a cakewalk until the QF. You must be kidding. Djokovic didn't get lucky. He beat everybody in his path and won the title. No luck involved.

Djokovic is getting easy draws this year? So playing Dimitrov, Raonic, Cilic and Federer back to back, the last 3 Cincy champs, is what you consider an easy draw? That was harder than Nadal's Toronto draw, plus he had to play an extra round because he didn't get a bye. No one's crying about Nadal's USO draw. I just pointed out that he is incredibly fortunate at the USO and he has been.

What is Djokovic's seed again? He definitely got easy draws at slams for his seed especially at Wimbledon and US Open. Nadal beat Khachanov last year in 3, Edmund isn't the kind of player that would have troubled Nadal at Wimbledon. lol Djokovic didn't get lucky? Are you kidding me? Nadal had to beat Del Potro who's tougher than anyone Djokovic faced by many folds, and we are comparing 12 and 2 seeds here. Would you rather he faced Del Potro instead of Nishikori? Just answer that question.

Your whole comparison about US open draw was flawed because you compared Anderson and Federer, that's absurd. Nadal could only play Federer in the final. Djokovic has an absolute cakewalk till QF, then he plays Federer who's struggling of late, and in the semi he most probably gets Cilic who's a known Choke artist. Nadal would probably get Del Potro again in semi or even Wawrinka. Djokovic would much rather play Cilic than those two. Your complaint about Nadal's draw makes no sense because Djokovic himself got a dream draw here as well as at Wimbledon.

 

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[NoleFam]

What is Djokovic's seed again? He definitely got easy draws at slams for his seed especially at Wimbledon and US Open. Nadal beat Khachanov last year in 3, Edmund isn't the kind of player that would have troubled Nadal at Wimbledon. lol Djokovic didn't get lucky? Are you kidding me? Nadal had to beat Del Potro who's tougher than anyone Djokovic faced by many folds, and we are comparing 12 and 2 seeds here. Would you rather he faced Del Potro instead of Nishikori? Just answer that question.

Your whole comparison about US open draw was flawed because you compared Anderson and Federer, that's absurd. Nadal could only play Federer in the final. Djokovic has an absolute cakewalk till QF, then he plays Federer who's struggling of late, and in the semi he most probably gets Cilic who's a known Choke artist. Nadal would probably get Del Potro again in semi or even Wawrinka. Djokovic would much rather play Cilic than those two. Your complaint about Nadal's draw makes no sense because Djokovic himself got a dream draw here as well as at Wimbledon.

We don't know who would have troubled Rafa at Wimbledon because he didn't have to play them. It's pointless to say what Rafa would have done when no one has any idea. Those opponents sure were tougher than who he faced in the first 4 rounds, which was #127, #77, #80 and #93. Just because Nadal faced one tough opponent does not make his draw tougher after Djokovic had to navigate 3 tricky opponents and even had AO quarterfinalist Sandgren in the 1st round. I'm not agreeing with this.

Nadal has Anderson for his QF and Djokovic has Federer. That's why I compared them since you said Djokovic has the easier draw when he doesn't. Once again, I didn't complain about Nadal's draw since I made a joke about it, and it's not even that serious for me really. You are caught up in your feelings and I really don't care enough about it to actually give a damn. Have a good night.

 

[zep]

We don't know who would have troubled Rafa at Wimbledon because he didn't have to play them. It's pointless to say what Rafa would have done when no one has any idea. Those opponents sure were tougher than who he faced in the first 4 rounds, which was #127, #77, #80 and #93. Just because Nadal faced one tough opponent does make his draw tougher after Djkovic had to navigate 3 tricky opponents and even had AO quarterfinalist Sandgren in the 1st round. I'm not agreeing this.

It does, and you are avoiding the main question I asked. Nadal has lost to players ranked over 100 before at Wimbledon. So style of play matters more than ranking at Wimbledon and I have already said that Nadal did get easy first 4 rounds, let's just say that easier than Djokovic in fact. But none of those players were taking out Nadal in that kind of form. They were no Mullers. Sangren is a tough opponent on grass? lol just because he made one fluke QF doesn't make him a tough opponent, he has been a journeyman all his life. Kukushkin is a better grass court player than Sandgren.

Again you cleverly avoided the question I asked. Would you rather Djokovic had Nadal's Wimbledon draw? Easy first 4 rounds and then Del Potro instead on Nishikori? Just give me a yes or no answer honestly.

Nadal has Anderson for his QF and Djokovic has Federer. That's why I compared them since you said Djokovic has the easier draw when he doesn't. Once again, I didn't complain about Nadal's draw since I made a joke about it, and it's not even that serious for me really. You are caught up in your feelings and I really don't care enough about it to actually give a damn. Have a good night.

lol @ feelings. I just showed you the mirror about Djokovic's draws it seems it hurt yours. The constant bickering about Nadal's "weak" draws are not funny, it's boring.

 

[Rafa Aficionado]

Federer fans look at every draw of Nadal's, no matter hard or easy; as a cakewalk.

First off, let me say that Nadal's draw in today's world/standards of tennis is a medium draw.

The 3R is extremely tough (Khachanov made the 4R the last 2 slams and is only improving), the 4R is average, the QF to me is below-average even though Anderson has made 2 slam finals in the last year; and everything beyond that isn't worth evaluating as it's tough and supposed to be tough SF-onwards anyway.

Can any honest Federer fan tell me HOW Nadal's US Open draw is easier than Federer's Wimbledon draw?

Because I heard nothing and no whining from them about Federer's easy draw then.

Nadal's draw is similar with Anderson as projected QF'ist, only that his 3R, 4R, AND SF opposition is TOUGHER and MUCH tougher at that than Federer's.

The true and only outrage should be reserved for Djokovic's draw

His first 4 rounds might be the easiest for a 6th seed ever.

 

[Surion]

So Fed will go out in R3, that's a pity, I really hoped for number 21, but the current version of Fed will lose to Kyrgios in straights. He is always so freaking motivated against Fed and Fed plays like 60 % of the 2017 version.

 

[Surion]

Federer fans look at every draw of Nadal's, no matter hard or easy; as a cakewalk.

First off, let me say that Nadal's draw in today's world/standards of tennis is a medium draw.

The 3R is extremely tough (Khachanov made the 4R the last 2 slams and is only improving), the 4R is average, the QF to me is below-average even though Anderson has made 2 slam finals in the last year; and everything beyond that isn't worth evaluating as it's tough and supposed to be tough SF-onwards anyway.

Can any honest Federer fan tell me HOW Nadal's US Open draw is easier than Federer's Wimbledon draw?

Because I heard nothing and no whining from them about Federer's easy draw then.

Nadal's draw is similar with Anderson as projected QF'ist, only that his 3R, 4R, AND SF opposition is TOUGHER and MUCH tougher at that than Federer's.

The true and only outrage should be reserved for Djokovic's draw

His first 4 rounds might be the easiest for a 6th seed ever.

Because R3, R4, QF are tough for Fed, especially R3 and QF.

I don't see any of that in Nadal's draw and don't get me started on Khachanov, come on.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

Well, I don't know. I think the only thing that would agitate me is if my employer didn't pay me on time....

Launch a mini startup man.
Giving jobs is more exciting than doing one

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Launch a mini startup man.
Giving jobs is more exciting than doing one

A Hitman takes jobs, he doesn't give them.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

So Fed will go out in R3, that's a pity, I really hoped for number 21, but the current version of Fed will lose to Kyrgios in straights. He is always so freaking motivated against Fed and Fed plays like 60 % of the 2017 version.

No

 

[Rafa Aficionado]

Because R3, R4, QF are tough for Fed, especially R3 and QF.

I don't see any of that in Nadal's draw and don't get me started on Khachanov, come on.

I KNOW that Federer's US Open draw is tougher. But that's not my point. Your reading comprehension needs to be better for this to make sense.

First off, who cares? Federer is in a terrible state where he isn't winning, irrespective of draws.

How do you whine about the draw, when roles were reserved at the VERY LAST SLAM? You only do if you are an intellectually dishonest person.

There is no pattern here.

Nadal got Potro/Djokovic at Wimbledon back-to-back... Federer got, Anderson/Isner....

Surion, I don't see you doing any complaining about that? Why not?

Not just is Nadal's Wimbledon draw similarly tough to Federer's US Open one, his US Open draw is MUCH tougher than Federer's Wimbledon one.



AND his Australian Open draw was harder than Federer's also. The only challenging player (Cilic), who took both to 5 sets; was given to Nadal in the QF, the opposite half to Federer. A stage where he can obviously far better excel than the pressurized final.

So Surion, will you face the facts and quit the whining?

And actually, please do start on Khachanov...

how will you try to undermine him? 22 years of age, 2 straight 4th rounds, gave Nadal and Cilic in Canada+Cincinnati a tough go...

better year+form than Kyrgios.

 

[RF-18]

The way I see it, I think overall Djokovic got the best draw. The QFs is the only one I see being tougher than Nadals QF, other than that Djokovic has gotten a really good draw.

Khachanov and Edmund will be really dangerous, I think the latter could cause damage. Nadals SF is a bit tougher aswell, Del Potro/Wawrinka vs Cilic/Goffin for Fed and Djoko.

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

A Hitman takes jobs, he doesn't give them.

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South films' hero

 

[Rafa Aficionado]

So because Nadal had one tough opponent before the SF, he had the tougher draw overall? No way. Djokovic had already played Edmund, Khachanov and Nishikori before the SF, top 20 and top 30 players. Nadal got a cakewalk until the QF. You must be kidding. Djokovic didn't get lucky. He beat everybody in his path and won the title. No luck involved.

Djokovic is getting easy draws this year? So playing Dimitrov, Raonic, Cilic and Federer back to back, the last 3 Cincy champs, is what you consider an easy draw? That was harder than Nadal's Toronto draw, plus he had to play an extra round because he didn't get a bye. No one's crying about Nadal's USO draw. I just pointed out that he is incredibly fortunate at the USO and he has been.

While I agree that Nole's WB draw was harder through 4 rounds, playing a Heavyweight such as Potro right before the Djokdal clash has more impact than Edmund-Khachanov-Nishikori (who was outmatched and is a typical 3R'er on the surface) consecutively. I'd definitely take Nole's draw instead, those players are all good, but they're not going to win in the end anyway. Potro can actually win. He takes mental+physical energy out of you.

And obviously, this USO draw is a bit of a joke for Djokovic.

 

[NoleFam]

While I agree that Nole's WB draw was harder through 4 rounds, playing a Heavyweight such as Potro right before the Djokdal clash has more impact than Edmund-Khachanov-Nishikori (who was outmatched and is a typical 3R'er on the surface) consecutively. I'd definitely take Nole's draw instead, those players are all good, but they're not going to win in the end anyway. Potro can actually win. He takes mental+physical energy out of you.

And obviously, this USO draw is a bit of a joke for Djokovic.

None of this matters at the end of the day. Everybody has their own opinions over these things and see things differently but you only beat who is front of you for 7 matches to win a Slam. That's it. People need to stop taking every comment so seriously or getting worked up over the draw, especially since these draws don't always materialize anyway.

 

[Rafa Aficionado]

None of this matters at the end of the day. Everybody has their own opinions over these things and see things differently but you only beat who is front of you for 7 matches to win a Slam. That's it. People need to stop taking every comment so seriously or getting worked up over the draw, especially since these draws don't always materialize anyway.

Fam, are you serious?

You made the comment about the draw, not me. I replied to it.

Now we're all nice and nhilistic? C'mon, fam. If you feel I have swayed your opinion, don't let your pride get in the way. Be open for new thoughts.

 

[NoleFam]

Fam, are you serious?

You made the comment about the draw, not me. I replied to it.

Now we're all nice and nhilistic? C'mon, fam. If you feel I have swayed your opinion, don't let your pride get in the way. Be open for new thoughts.

I'm always nice. You didn't sway my opinion but I don't see the purpose in going back and forth over the draw, when I never complained about Rafa's draw in the 1st place. I initially made a joke about it and it's really not that serious. I don't agree that Djokovic had an easier draw at Wimbledon and I don't feel him drawing Federer in the USO QF is "a joke" but you have your opinion and I have mine. So we will just disagree and that's fine.

 

[Surion]

Surion, I don't see you doing any complaining about that? Why not?

Because we are discussing the actual US Open Draw, not the Wimbledon draw from the past.

Your reading comprehension is even worse than mine.

And actually, please do start on Khachanov...

how will you try to undermine him? 22 years of age, 2 straight 4th rounds, gave Nadal and Cilic in Canada+Cincinnati a tough go...

better year+form than Kyrgios.

Nadal - Khachanov 4-0, two tight sets.
Federer - Kyrgios 2-1, eight tight sets.

Stop this, Kyrgios is the FAR more dangerous player to either Nadal or Fed.

 

[Rafa Aficionado]

Because we are discussing the actual US Open Draw, not the Wimbledon draw from the past.

Your reading comprehension is even worse than mine.



Nadal - Khachanov 4-0, two tight sets.
Federer - Kyrgios 2-1, eight tight sets.

Stop this ********, Kyrgios is the FAR more dangerous player to either Nadal or Fed.

The US Open Draws for this year are as follows:

Fed: Very tough
Nadal: Medium
Djokovic: Easy leaning

This kind of draw was due, given the absurd easyness of Federer's Wimbledon and AO draws.

Got it?

Who cares how Nadal's record is against Khach? He had to fight hard for those wins. Its like me posting Federer's record against Ferrer to discredit Ferrer.

 

[Surfer Rosa Rack]

Same can be said about 90's clay.

I like to discuss players
not TTW posters

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[upchuck]

Federer was from a prior generation where being finished at even 25 wasn't unusual or unheard of.

Oh come on. Don't try it. The same forces that will enable Nadal and Djokovic to have longevity has already allowed Federer to have longevity. They've all played in an era where they have benefited from the kind of advancements that allow them to have longer careers.

Man, djokovic is not at the physical level he

And you know this based on what?

The US Open Draws for this year are as follows:

Fed: Very tough
Nadal: Medium
Djokovic: Easy leaning

I don't think Nadal's draw is as easy as many others do, but the idea that it's tougher than Djokovic's draw is a stretch. They're on equal footing in my eyes. Djokovic still has to play Federer and while I think Wawrinka/Del Portro is a tougher matchup than Cilic for either Nadal or Djokovic, Cilic is likelier to make it to the semis than either of those two; plus there's Zverev who will make a deep run at some point in his career, maybe here.

 

[BeatlesFan]

Khachanov and Edmund will be really dangerous.

What exactly have either of these guys ever done in their entire careers? How are they in any way, shape or form “dangerous?” Maybe on the WTA, not amongst the men.

 

[metsman]

Djokovic's Wimbledon draw was definitely easier than Nadal's. None of the opponents he played before facing Nadal would have troubled Nadal. I agree that Nadal did avoid players who could trouble him on grass in early rounds but that's about it. He has been getting them regularly since 2012 so it was just a law of averages. But from QF onward Nadal had the tougher draw. He got the toughest possible QF opponent, even you would agree that Del Potro would have been a lot tougher for Djokovic than Nishikori. And look at Djokovic's seed and Nadal's. Lower seeds usually get tougher draws, he got incredibly lucky at Wimbledon and even in the final he got someone who played 7 hours in semi. For his seed Djokovic is getting some incredible draws this year, you can't deny it. I wouldn't cry about Nadal who's the #1 seed if I was a Djokovic fan. As for playing Federer, Djokovic would prefer to play him (given his current form) in QF over 2 of the other 3 options, Nadal and Del Potro. Only Zverev would have been easier.

The comparison between Anderson and Federer doesn't even arise because Nadal can't play Federer in QF.

Nadal not getting grass court players in a grass court slam is (incorrectly used) Law of Averages? VB's vast powers of complex reasoning and logical thinking always astound. I don't disagree with the rest though.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Wow Nadal's draw is so easy lol

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

Nadal after USO 2018:

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

And you know this based

Based on my eyes and mind, with which I have been watching and analyzing tennis matches for a longer period of time

 

[zep]

Nadal not getting grass court players in a grass court slam is (incorrectly used) Law of Averages? VB's vast powers of complex reasoning and logical thinking always astound. I don't disagree with the rest though.

Of course, he is not going to get Kyrgios, Muller, Brown type of player every single year, is he? At some point he was bound to get an easier draw. What's wrong with my statement, it may not be to FT's liking, I understand that, but that doesn't make it wrong. He did get grass court players like Kukushkin but crafty grass court players are not his problem, you need power and a huge serve.

 

[Pheasant]

How is Djoker’s draw a joke? He’s got a 20 slam winner in his quarter. I really don’t get this.

 

[Rafa Aficionado]

How is Djoker’s draw a joke? He’s got a 20 slam winner in his quarter. I really don’t get this.

It's really easy to get. Try again, I'd suggest?

 

[mellowyellow]

Funny thing too, if nobody thought about it but to me suspicious that Ferrers last USO he gets to Play the no.1 who coincidence or not is Nadal? I liken to Isner Mahut redraw. Might not mean much at all to many but for a first rd match it could be good for a certain group interest... Just a little suspect to me.

 

[Druss]

Well, sure, it would be nice to see some break out stars, I am all for that at every tournament.

I'm curious to know what your thoughts on Kachanov are. Do you think he'll be of the same/similar calibre as Delpo/Cilic?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

I'm curious to know what your thoughts on Kachanov are. Do you think he'll be of the same/similar calibre as Delpo/Cilic?

I think Kachanov has effortless power off of both wings, he plays deep with aggression and is quite balanced with his ground strokes. I do think think that his movement and court positioning can improve, I often see him pulling back after he hits a shot, unlike Cilic and Del Potro who prefer to lean forward more, through the shot. The movement is where he needs to pick his game up on, he can be easily pulled out of position if his opponent is able to move the ball around for about three shots. I understand it is a lot harder the taller you are, but sometimes it does look like there are huge spaces being left open for his opponent to hit into. He need to learn how to shrink his side of the court.

He has a decent serve, but it can get better, he is relying a lot on the power that comes from his ground stokes to dictate the point, and he does need more variation against those who absorb his power and can retrieve some of his early hits. But I do like his aggressive hitting, he likes to go big, transitioning to the net on some of those massive blows will be good as well for adding an extra dimension to his game. He has been caught out a few times being a little too comfortable standing behind the baseline.

Overall, I like the guy.