Big 3 game win rates in absence of other guys

[nolefam_2024]

Federer on clay overall - 56.97%
Federer on clay without Nadal - 57.89%
Federer on clay without Djokovic - 57.21%
Federer on clay without Rafole - 58.17%

Djokovic on clay overall - 58.8%
Djokovic on clay without Nadal - 59.99%
Djokovic on clay without Federer - 58.95%
Djokovic on clay without Fedal - 60.199%

Nadal on clay overall - 63.7%
Nadal on clay without Federer - 63.98%
Nadal on clay without Djokovic - 64.36%
Nadal on clay without Fedkovic - 64.71%

Federer on clay lost close to 1% games more just because of Nadal , 0.24% games due to Djokovic and 1.2% of games due to Rafole combined
Nadal on clay lost 0.19% games more due to Federer, 0.66% games more due to djokovic and more than 1% of games due to Fedkovic combined
Djokovic on clay lost 0.15% games more due to Federer , Full 1.19% more due to Nadal and combined 1.4% games due to Rafole combined

Nadal on clay 63.7
Djokovic on clay 58.8
Federer on clay 56.97

Nadal on clay without Fedkovic - 64.71
Djokovic on clay without Fedal - 60.199
Federer on clay without Rafole - 58.17

 

[nolefam_2024]

Will do outdoor hard, indoor hard and grass splits as well.

 

[nolefam_2024]

@RaulRamirez @Rovesciarete @Hitman @Vincent-C @Jonas78 @Aabye5 @Pheasant @Everyone

 

[Hitman]

What is it like with?

 

[nolefam_2024]

We all know Federer and Djokovic clay stats were hampered by Nadal but the opposite is also true that Nadal stats were hampered by Fedkovic on clay. These two are his toughest opponents on clay taking his game % down by a full percent.

 

[nolefam_2024]

What is it like with?

This is career game win% in absence of the main rivals. For this, I am doing surface wise differences.

 

[GoatNo1]

clay:

W%	record	player
90.5	484–51	Rafael Nadal
86.1	285–46	Björn Borg
81.0	329–77	Ivan Lendl
80.1	286–71	Novak Djokovic

nole only 1 with 80+ % on all surfaces

if he lose next match or if he lose before 3R he will fall under 80%. with 2 W and 1 L he will have exactly 80%.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer on grass overall - 58.6%
Federer on grass without Nadal - 58.89%
Federer on grass without Djokovic - 58.92%
Federer on clay without Rafole - 59.13%

Djokovic on grass overall - 58.4%
Djokovic on grass without Nadal - 58.62%
Djokovic on grass without Federer - 58.75%
Djokovic on grass without Fedal - 59.19%

Nadal on grass overall - 56.8%
Nadal on grass without Federer - 57.17%
Nadal on grass without Djokovic - 57.13%
Nadal on grass without Fedkovic - 57.48%

Federer on grass won .29% less games due to Rafa, 0.32% less games due to Djokovic adnd 0.53% total games less due to Rafole
Nadal on grass won 0.37% less games due to Federer and 0.33% less games due to Djokovic and combined 0.58% total games less due to Fedkovic
Djokovic on grass won 0.22% less games due to Federer and 0.35% less games due to Nadal and total 0.79% total games less due to Fedal.

Federer on grass - 58.6%
Djokovic on grass - 58.4%
Nadal on grass - 56.8%

Djokovic on grass without Fedal - 59.19%
Federer on grass without Rafole - 59.13%
Nadal on grass without Fedkovic - 57.48%

 

[Rovesciarete]

A nice way to look at the big3 era and their respective impacts on each others.

 

[nolefam_2024]

A nice way to look at the big3 era and their respective impacts on each others.

I think the hard courts should be split into indoor and outdoor. Will do this soon.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer on indoor hard overall - 57.92
Federer on indoor hard without Nadal - 57.90
Federer on indoor hard without Djokovic - 58.24
Federer on indoor hard without Rafole - 58.22

Djokovic on indoor hard overall - 57.25
Djokovic on indoor hard without Nadal - 57.32
Djokovic on indoor hard without Federer - 57.70
Djokovic on indoor hard without Fedal - 57.78

Nadal on indoor hard overall - 53.34
Nadal on indoor hard without Federer - 53.98
Nadal on indoor hard without Djokovic - 53.71
Nadal on indoor hard without Fedkovic - 54.40

Nadal on indoor hard is 1% more impacted just because of Fedkovic.
Djokovic is impacted around 0.53% because of Fedal.
Federer is impacted just 0.30% because of Rafole

Federer on indoor hard 57.92
Djokovic on indoor hard 57.25
Nadal on indoor hard 53.34

Federer on indoor hard without Rafole - 58.22
Djokovic on indoor hard without Fedal - 57.78
Nadal on indoor hard without Fedkovic - 54.40

 

[nolefam_2024]

Seeing big pattern
Federer is 7% less and Djokovic is 5% less games won than Nadal on clay
Fedkovic are around 2% more games won than Nadal on grass.
Federer is 4.5% more and Djokovic is 4% more games won than Nadal on indoor hard.

 

[Dropshot777]

So Rafa was hit hardest everywhere except clay?

 

[nolefam_2024]

So Rafa was hit hardest everywhere except clay?

Yes.

 

[Waspsting]

We all know Federer and Djokovic clay stats were hampered by Nadal but the opposite is also true that Nadal stats were hampered by Fedkovic on clay. These two are his toughest opponents on clay taking his game % down by a full percent.

Can you confirm that Federer reduces Nadal's percentage more than Thiem does?

 

[nolefam_2024]

Can you confirm that Federer reduces Nadal's percentage more than Thiem does?

Yes he does.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Federer on grass overall - 58.6%
Federer on grass without Nadal - 58.89%
Federer on grass without Djokovic - 58.92%
Federer on clay without Rafole - 59.13%

Djokovic on grass overall - 58.4%
Djokovic on grass without Nadal - 58.62%
Djokovic on grass without Federer - 58.75%
Djokovic on grass without Fedal - 59.19%

Nadal on grass overall - 56.8%
Nadal on grass without Federer - 57.17%
Nadal on grass without Djokovic - 57.13%
Nadal on grass without Fedkovic - 57.48%

Federer on grass won .29% less games due to Rafa, 0.32% less games due to Djokovic adnd 0.53% total games less due to Rafole
Nadal on grass won 0.37% less games due to Federer and 0.33% less games due to Djokovic and combined 0.58% total games less due to Fedkovic
Djokovic on grass won 0.22% less games due to Federer and 0.35% less games due to Nadal and total 0.79% total games less due to Fedal.

Federer on grass - 58.6%
Djokovic on grass - 58.4%
Nadal on grass - 56.8%

Djokovic on grass without Fedal - 59.19%
Federer on grass without Rafole - 59.13%
Nadal on grass without Fedkovic - 57.48%

There was a mistake in my grass and indoors calculation.
Redone.

 

[nolefam_2024]

Djokovic has maximum impact due to Fedal on grass. Now one of these matches was retirement vs Nadal but with no Fedal, Djokovic will be having best grass game win % than Federer would have with no Rafole.
But in real life, Federer has more grass win % than Djokovic, although slightly.