Big 3 in Slams vs other all time great players

[Backspin1183]

Let's find out how the big 3 performed in Slams when pitted against another all time great player:

Nadal:
9-6 vs Djokovic
10-4 vs Federer
7-2 vs Murray
3-1 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 29-13 = 69%

Djokovic:
11-6 vs Federer
6-9 vs Nadal
8-2 vs Murray
4-4 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 29-21 = 58%

Federer:
4-10 vs Nadal
6-11 vs Djokovic
5-1 vs Murray
7-1 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 22-23 = 48.9%

Spoiler

 

[octogon]

It's a stretch to call Murray an "all-time great" (and an even bigger stretch to call Wawrinka that), but even if you limit it to the Big 3, Nadal comfortably leads in this department.

Murray and Wawrinka are great players in their time, but considering we used to talk about "all time greats" starting in the region of 6 time slam champs like Becker and Edberg, it feels like lowering the standard to accommodate guys like Murray or Wawrinka. The Big 3 sorta stopped anyone else becoming all time greats, imho.

 

[mike danny]

Let's find out how the big 3 performed in Slams when pitted against another all time great player:

Nadal:
9-6 vs Djokovic
10-4 vs Federer
7-2 vs Murray
3-1 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 29-13 = 69%

Djokovic:
11-6 vs Federer
6-9 vs Nadal
8-2 vs Murray
4-4 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 29-21 = 58%

Federer:
4-10 vs Nadal
6-11 vs Djokovic
5-1 vs Murray
7-1 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 22-23 = 48.9%

Spoiler

Lew with a beard. Nice.

 

[The Blond Blur]

RAFA GOAT confirmed

 

[Mainad]

It's a stretch to call Murray an "all-time great" (and an even bigger stretch to call Wawrinka that), but even if you limit it to the Big 3, Nadal comfortably leads in this department.

Murray and Wawrinka are great players in their time, but considering we used to talk about "all time greats" starting in the region of 6 time slam champs like Becker and Edberg, it feels like lowering the standard to accommodate guys like Murray or Wawrinka. The Big 3 sorta stopped anyone else becoming all time greats, imho.

Are we lowering the standard to compare Becker and Edberg to the Big 3 (or even to Sampras and Borg)?

 

[125downthemiddle]

It's a stretch to call Murray an "all-time great" (and an even bigger stretch to call Wawrinka that), but even if you limit it to the Big 3, Nadal comfortably leads in this department.

Murray and Wawrinka are great players in their time, but considering we used to talk about "all time greats" starting in the region of 6 time slam champs like Becker and Edberg, it feels like lowering the standard to accommodate guys like Murray or Wawrinka. The Big 3 sorta stopped anyone else becoming all time greats, imho.

I kinda agree but would you consider Sampras in their league or not?

 

[Backspin1183]

It's a stretch to call Murray an "all-time great" (and an even bigger stretch to call Wawrinka that), but even if you limit it to the Big 3, Nadal comfortably leads in this department.

Murray and Wawrinka are great players in their time, but considering we used to talk about "all time greats" starting in the region of 6 time slam champs like Becker and Edberg, it feels like lowering the standard to accommodate guys like Murray or Wawrinka. The Big 3 sorta stopped anyone else becoming all time greats, imho.

Murray would be a 9 time Slam winner in any other era. Stanimal has a very high peak. Defeated 3 GOAT candidates to win his Slams.

 

[Noleberic123]

You

Murray would be a 9 time Slam winner in any other era. Stanimal has a very high peak. Defeated 3 GOAT candidates to win his Slams.

You think Murray is an Agassi type player?

 

[mike danny]

You
You think Murray is an Agassi type player?

Murray has a higher peak ELO rating than Pete Sampras.

 

[Deleted member 771911]

Murray would be a 9 time Slam winner in any other era. Stanimal has a very high peak. Defeated 3 GOAT candidates to win his Slams.

Oh please, enough of that! They are not ATGs however you spin it.

 

[Noleberic123]

Murray has a higher peak ELO rating than Pete Sampras.

How accurate do you think ELO Is?

 

[Tsongerer]

Fed played most of these matches post peak and played most GS matches against Nadal on clay.

 

[Backspin1183]

You
You think Murray is an Agassi type player?

He has a higher ELO rating than many other so called all time greats:

Years with > 2500 Elo rating

1) Djokovic (2013-16) 4
2) Borg (1979-80) 2
3) McEnroe (1984), Lendl (1987), Federer (2006), Nadal (2013), Murray (2016) 1

Years with >2400 Elo rating

1) Federer (2004-07, 2010-12, 2015, 2017), Djokovic (2011-17, 2018, 2020) 9
3) McEnroe (1979-85), Nadal (2008, 2010, 2012-13, 2014, 2018-19) 7
5) Borg (1977-82), Lendl (1982, 1985-89) 6
7) Connors (1976, 1978-79, 1982) 4
8) Laver (1969), Vilas (1977), Becker (1989), Murray (2016) 1

 

[Backspin1183]

Fed played most of these matches post peak and played most GS matches against Nadal on clay.

Who would you be: 69% win against other all time greats in Slams or 58%? Or 48.9%?

 

[mike danny]

How accurate do you think ELO Is?

Don't take it seriously when it comes to tennis given what I just showed you LOL.

 

[Backspin1183]

Don't take it seriously when it comes to tennis given what I just showed you LOL.

Man! You're a Bleach fan! Haha I somehow didn't notice your avatar is Ichigo. I haven't read the mange or watched the anime but love how he says 'getsuga tenshou!'

I watched Naruto for the first time a couple of months ago. Loved it. Would love to watch some Bleach too.

 

[Noleberic123]

Don't take it seriously when it comes to tennis given what I just showed you LOL.

Some of it makes sense. Some of it doesn't

 

[mike danny]

Man! You're a Bleach fan! Haha I somehow didn't notice your avatar is Ichigo. I haven't read the mange or watched the anime but love how he says 'getsuga tenshou!'

I watched Naruto for the first time a couple of months ago. Loved it. Would love to watch some Bleach too.

Yeah, thanks for noticing. I like Bleach a lot and I definitely recommend it to you

Getsuga Tenshou is his signature move and you'll be seeing it a lot

The anime is also returning probably next year to animate its final arc.

 

[NoleFam]

Murray has a higher peak ELO rating than Pete Sampras.

Only on clay does he have a higher peak Elo.

 

[The Blond Blur]

Yeah, thanks for noticing. I like Bleach a lot and I definitely recommend it to you

Getsuga Tenshou is his signature move and you'll be seeing it a lot

The anime is also returning probably next year to animate its final arc.

 

[mike danny]

Trust me, this was exactly my and the rest of the fandom's reaction

 

[Lew II]

Wins over other Big3:

AO: Djokovic 6 > Nadal 3 > Federer 2
RG: Nadal 12 > Djokovic 2 > Federer 1
WI: Djokovic 5 > Federer 4 > Nadal 1
UO: Djokovic 4 > Federer 3 > Nadal 2

Djokovic is the best at 3 slams and the worst at 0.
Nadal is the best at 1 slam and the worst at 2.
Federer is the best at 0 slams and the worst at 2.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

Let's find out how the big 3 performed in Slams when pitted against another all time great player:

Nadal:
9-6 vs Djokovic
10-4 vs Federer
7-2 vs Murray
3-1 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 29-13 = 69%

Djokovic:
11-6 vs Federer
6-9 vs Nadal
8-2 vs Murray
4-4 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 29-21 = 58%

Federer:
4-10 vs Nadal
6-11 vs Djokovic
5-1 vs Murray
7-1 vs Wawrinka
Total W/L: 22-23 = 48.9%

Spoiler

Take Murray and Wawrinka our and Fed not close to 50%, sadly.

 

[tudwell]

1) Federer (2004-07, 2010-12, 2015, 2017), Djokovic (2011-17, 2018, 2020) 9
3) McEnroe (1979-85), Nadal (2008, 2010, 2012-13, 2014, 2018-19) 7
5) Borg (1977-82), Lendl (1982, 1985-89) 6
7) Connors (1976, 1978-79, 1982) 4
8) Laver (1969), Vilas (1977), Becker (1989), Murray (2016) 1

Dang, who knew the Big 4 was actually Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, and McEnroe?

 

[Nadal_Django]

Take Murray and Wawrinka our and Fed not close to 50%, sadly.

His record against Nadal and Djokovic in Slams is pitiful.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Murray has a higher peak ELO rating than Pete Sampras.

I’ve learned in here that Kevin Anderson had some goat peak ELO ratings. Why are we not bringing him into this? Don’t you think he deserves to be on some of these ATG lists?

 

[ark_28]

Murray would be a 9 time Slam winner in any other era. Stanimal has a very high peak. Defeated 3 GOAT candidates to win his Slams.

Roddick would be a 3 time Wimbledon champion but for Federer! Sadly it doesn’t work like that.

 

[DjokoGOAT]

His record against Nadal and Djokovic in Slams is pitiful.

He’s a flat track bully. Looks awesome vs main 04-07 rivals Bagdhatis, Philippousis, Roddick, Grosjean, Ancic, Henman. Wilts badly against strong opponents like Djokovic and Nadal.