Big 3 - Lowest level in each major final

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They've been in the final at each major at least 5 times each.

Out of all their appearances, which final did they play at their lowest level and what would you rate it out of 10? Keep in mind, they may not necessarily have lost the match they produced their lowest level in...

I'll kick it off with my ratings:

Nadal:
AO: 14 (3.5/10)
RG: 20 (6.5/10)
WIM: 11 (6.5/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3.5/10)
WIM: 13 (6.5/10)
US: ??

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6.5/10)
 
Fedr:

AO: 2018 6/10 (the next two being 2006 and 2017)
RG: 2008 3.5/10 (the next being 2011 imo, though one could argue for one of 2006, 2007, and 2011)
W: 2019 6/10 (next up is 2014 and then 2015; yeah, I think Fed played a bit better in 2015 than 2014)
USO: 2015 6.5/10 (next is 2009)

Ned:

AO: 2019 4/10 (next is 2014)
RG: lol, but if I had to say one, maybe 2018 8/10? Dunno what comes after that.
W: 2011 6/10 (next is 2006)
USO: 2011 or 2019 6.5/10, lean 2011

Djoker:

AO: 2020 6/10 (next is 2015)
RG: 2020 3.5/10 (next are 2014 and 2015)
W: 2013 4/10 (next is 2019)
USO: 2016 4/10 (next is 2007)
 
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ADuck said:
They've been in the final at each major at least 5 times each.

Out of all their appearances, which final did they play at their lowest level and what would you rate it out of 10? Keep in mind, they may not necessarily have lost the match they produced their lowest level in...

I'll kick it off with my ratings:

Nadal:
AO: 14 (3.5/10)
RG: 20 (6.5/10)
WIM: 11 (6.5/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3.5/10)
WIM: 13 (6.5/10)
US: ??

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6.5/10)
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Say it again for the Nadal haters in the back :D

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Third Serve said:
Fedr:

AO: 2018 6/10 (the next two being 2006 and 2017)
RG: 2008 4/10 (the next being 2011 imo, though one could argue for one of 2006, 2007, and 2011)
W: 2019 6/10 (next up is 2014 and then 2015; yeah, I think Fed played a bit better in 2015 than 2014)
USO: 2015 6.5/10 (next is 2009)

Ned:

AO: 2019 4/10 (next is 2014)
RG: lol, but if I had to say one, maybe 2018 8/10? Dunno what comes after that.
W: 2011 6/10 (next is 2006)
USO: 2011 or 2019 6.5/10, lean 2011

Djoker:

AO: 2020 6/10 (next is 2015)
RG: 2020 4/10 (next are 2014 and 2015)
W: 2013 4/10 (next is 2019)
USO: 2016 5/10 (next is 2013)
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What drugs are you on and what's the fastest way to inject it into my veins.
 
InsideOut900 said:
Interesting, I personally have 2015 pretty high. Above 20/12/13/16.

It was a clean performance from Novak and Murray was actually solid for 3 sets. Better than 2013 final, which ended with a similar scoreline.
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Oh yeah, I completely forgot 2020. Of course that was his worst.
Overall as a tournament, 2015 was easily his worst.

2013 was better than both, though. Djokovic played at a higher level than people give him credit for.
 
How Nadal lowest level happens to be at tournaments when Djokovic level was very good?Do we have here too much Nadal fans or its just when Djokovic crush Nadal his level low?
 
nov said:
How Nadal lowest level happens to be at tournaments when Djokovic level was very good?Do we have here too much Nadal fans or its just when Djokovic crush Nadal his level low?
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Lowest final level, not much to choose from no?
USO should be 19 though. Peakovic is just tiers better than radlad.
 
nov said:
AO19 does best version of Nadal could do something here?Maybe 2 more games won. Wim 11, USO11?Nadal played better at USO2019? :D RG20, really?
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The overrating of 2019 AO continues. Nadal was dire, having had a softball draw. He literally whiffed a forehand in the final lolol. Medvedev the real vice champ.
 
King No1e said:
Oh yeah, I completely forgot 2020. Of course that was his worst.
Overall as a tournament, 2015 was easily his worst.

2013 was better than both, though. Djokovic played at a higher level than people give him credit for.
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By all means 2013 was a great tournament. At the levels of 2008 almost.

It's just that he hit a tad too many errors in the final(1st set mostly), while in 2015 he had like 53W-40UE. Murray also played cleaner in 2015.

Just wish he played a hair better in 2013 final, it was one of his best runs at AO otherwise.
 
Nadal:
AO: 19 (3/10)
RG: 05 (7/10)
WIM: 11 (6/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3/10)
WIM: 13 (6/10)
US: 16 (5/10)

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6/10)
 
The_Order said:
Nadal:
AO: 19 (3/10)
RG: 05 (7/10)
WIM: 11 (6/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3/10)
WIM: 13 (6/10)
US: 16 (5/10)

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6/10)
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I think you have underated the RG 05 final for Nadal in a massive way at the least.
 
If Fed 2008 is gonna get 3/10 then I wonder what should you do to get for instance 1/10?! Just showing up at the court and then retiring would be enough?!
 
Don’t really see the point in these kind of debates tbh because it’s impossible to factor the level of the opponent out of things. Finals in which one of the guys faced a peaking ATG are going to be skewed too low in terms of their rating and vice versa if the competition wasn’t quite up to scratch (as the underrating of 2011 Nadal shows). If 2019 Nadal plays 2011 Djokovic at the US open for example then we would all be talking about it being Nadal’s worst slam final level by quite some distance. Even something like the AO17 final performance by Federer which is seen in quite a positive light would be made to look quite a bit worse by a prime Djokovic or a prime Nadal for example (same thing with AO19 on Djokovic’s end).
 
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Mivic said:
Don’t really see the point in these kind of debates tbh because it’s impossible to factor the level of the opponent out of things. Finals in which one of the guys faced a peaking ATG are going to be skewed too low in terms of their rating and vice versa if the competition wasn’t quite up to scratch (as the underrating of 2011 Nadal shows). If 2019 Nadal plays 2011 Djokovic at the US open for example then we would all be talking about it being Nadal’s worst slam final level by quite some distance. Even something like the AO17 final which is seen in quite a positive light would be made to look a lot worse by a prime Djokovic for example.
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Just do your rating based off what you said then. Don't worry about it. I only spent like 20 seconds deciding this. The real problem for me is just accurately remembering the matches rather than what you said though. Nadal served extremely poorly in USO11 so it stands to reason that USO19 was possibly better.
 
Mivic said:
Don’t really see the point in these kind of debates tbh because it’s impossible to factor the level of the opponent out of things. Finals in which one of the guys faced a peaking ATG are going to be skewed too low in terms of their rating and vice versa if the competition wasn’t quite up to scratch (as the underrating of 2011 Nadal shows). If 2019 Nadal plays 2011 Djokovic at the US open for example then we would all be talking about it being Nadal’s worst slam final level by quite some distance. Even something like the AO17 final performance by Federer which is seen in quite a positive light would be made to look quite a bit worse by a prime Djokovic or a prime Nadal for example (same thing with AO19 on Djokovic’s end).
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Nadal did play poorly relative to what he is capable of in those 2011 slam finals against Djokovic.

Peaking ATG is no excuse when Federer actually put up better fights against Nadal in the 2008 Wimb and 2009 AO finals. I actually do think those 2011 slam finals would be closer if 2008-2009 Nadal showed up.
 
Lol, HOW was Nadal's level in RG 2020 final worse than in the 2011 or 2014 finals? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And I can name a few other finals where he played worse than in 2020.
 
Fed:
AO - 2018
FO - 2008
W - 2014
USO - 2015

Nadal:
AO - 2019
FO - 2014
W - 2011
USO - 2019

Djokovic:
AO - 2015
FO - 2020
W - 2013
USO - 2012
 
AnOctorokForDinner said:
Lowest final level, not much to choose from no?
USO should be 19 though. Peakovic is just tiers better than radlad.
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There are no excuses for being broken 11 times, doesn't matter who your opponent is. In the tournaments USO 2010 and 2013 combined (which is 14 matches!) Nadal was broken just 9 times, and this included 2 matches against Djokovic. Also, stop acting like Medvedev was some hot garbage. Being broken just 5 times against him in 5 hours is more impressive than the mental struggles in 2011.
 
StrongRule said:
Lol, HOW was Nadal's level in RG 2020 final worse than in the 2011 or 2014 finals? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

And I can name a few other finals where he played worse than in 2020.
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@ADuck is just a massive pessimist and hand wringer. He probably thought that Nadal will lose to Travaglia or something.
 
Federer:
AO: 2018 6/10
RG: 2008 5/10
W: 2019 7/10 - hard to gauge how well Federer played here and how it stacks up to say 2014 because of how off Djokovic was at times. When both were playing to their capabilities in the first set I thought the quality was pretty good though. Not a bad showing.
USO: 2015 7.5/10

Nadal:
AO: 2014 4/10 - closely followed by 2019. 2017 wasn’t great either tbh.
RG: 2020 8/10 - not too confident about my pick here.
W: 2006 7/10 - seems to be a controversial opinion around here but I think Federer made him look better than he was in this one.
USO: 2019 6.5/10 - I don’t see Nadal of 2019 producing anything remotely close to the quality that he produced off the ground in the third set of the 2011 final and can’t see him taking a set off of peak Djokovic, even if his serve was better than it was in 2011.

Djokovic:
AO: 2020 6.5/10 - not entirely sure, might have even overrated it. I think his top level in this match was better than Federer’s in 2018 though.
RG: 2020 3/10 - easily Djokovic’s worst slam final performance, and that’s saying something. Hopelessly impotent from the baseline, an error machine, and completely mentally unprepared to face an opponent playing at anything resembling an ATG level. The prolonged semi final probably didn’t help either.
W: 2013 4/10
USO: 2016 5.5/10 - followed by 2013. 2007 also not too far behind due to mentality but playing level was possibly better than 2013 overall.
 
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Nadal

AO: 2014=2017=2019 (1/10)

RG: 2005 (6.5/10)

WB: 2006 (3.5/10)

USO: 2011 (5.5/10)

Djokovic

AO: 2020 (5.5/10)

RG: 2020 (4.5/10)

WB: 2013 (3.5/10)

USO: 2018 (5.5/10)

Federer

AO: 2018 (4.5/10)

RG: 2008 (2/10)

WB: 2009 (5/10)

USO: 2009 (5/10)
 
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Yugram said:
Where is the trolling?
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Nadal in AO 2017 played on the same level as in the 2014/2019 finals?
Nadal in Wimbledon 2006 was worse than in 2011?
Djokovic's worst USO final was in 2018?
Federer in Wimbledon and USO 2009 was worse than in Wimbledon 2014/2015/2019 or in USO 2015?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
StrongRule said:
Nadal in AO 2017 played on the same level as in the 2014/2019 finals?
Nadal in Wimbledon 2006 was worse than in 2011?
Djokovic's worst USO final was in 2018?
Federer in Wimbledon and USO 2009 was worse than in Wimbledon 2014/2015/2019 or in USO 2015?

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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Only AO statement is kind of trollish. I barely remember this match, but I remember that after great QF and decent SF performance, it was 2015 Nadal all over again. 2015 Berdych would probably bagel Nadal from 2017 AO final again.
 
Red Rick said:
No that it wasnt the worst of all
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It was a fairly low-quality final but I don’t think it quite matches the 2016 one. The first-set choking was pretty bad (second set was more of Federer being clutch, though) but he wasn't leaking errors quite like in the 2016 final (differential of 10+ and the winners count was almost the exact same between both matches despite the differing quantity of sets). Stan wasn't doing much special in that match (he also had a very poor error count which hasn't happened in his other victories (and some losses) over Djokovic) and I think Fed brought in a significantly higher level even if he had to wait until midway through the match before waking up.
 
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