Big 3 - Lowest level in each major final

ADuck said:
They've been in the final at each major at least 5 times each.

Out of all their appearances, which final did they play at their lowest level and what would you rate it out of 10? Keep in mind, they may not necessarily have lost the match they produced their lowest level in...

I'll kick it off with my ratings:

Nadal:
AO: 14 (3.5/10)
RG: 20 (6.5/10)
WIM: 11 (6.5/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3.5/10)
WIM: 13 (6.5/10)
US: ??

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6.5/10)
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RG 20 very low :(
 
Nadal
AO 19 - 4.5
RG 18 - 9
Wim 06/11- 7.5
USO 11 - 7

Fed
AO 18 - 8
RG 08 - 4
Wim 15/19- 8
USO 15 - 8

Djokovic
AO 20 - 8
RG 20 - 5
Wim 13 - 5.5
USO 21 - 4.5

Let’s go like this.
 
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RS said:
Nadal
AO 19 - 4.5
RG 18 - 9
Wim 06/11- 7.5
USO 11 - 7

Fed
AO 18 - 8
RG 08 - 4
Wim 15/19- 8
USO 15 - 8

Djokovic
AO 20 - 8
RG 20 - 5
Wim 13 - 5.5
USO 16 - 6.5

Let’s go like this.
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so imposter playing vs Med in USO 21 final, confirmed? ;)
 
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RS said:
Nadal
AO 19 - 4.5
RG 18 - 9
Wim 06/11- 7.5
USO 11 - 7

Fed
AO 18 - 8
RG 08 - 4
Wim 15/19- 8
USO 15 - 8

Djokovic
AO 20 - 8
RG 20 - 5
Wim 13 - 5.5
USO 16 - 6.5

Let’s go like this.
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Nadal AO 19 vs Nadal AO 21, how many sets?

:whistle:
 
NADAL
AO - 2019
RG - 2006
WIM - 2006
USO - 2019

DJOKOVIC
AO - 2020
RG - 2020
WIM - 2013
USO - 2021

FEDERER
AO - 2018
RG - 2008
WIM - 2015
USO - 2009
 
As far as thread goes:

Federer:

AO: 18 (AO 18 as a whole gets under-rated in comparision to AO 17 IMO though)
RG: 08
Wim: 15/19
USO: 15

Nadal:

AO: 19
RG: 18/19
Wim: 11
USO: 19

Djokovic:

AO: 20
RG: 20
Wim: 13
USO: 21
 
abmk said:
As far as thread goes:

Federer:

AO: 18 (AO 18 as a whole gets under-rated in comparision to AO 17 IMO though)
RG: 08
Wim: 15/19
USO: 15

Nadal:

AO: 19
RG: 18/19
Wim: 11
USO: 19

Djokovic:

AO: 20
RG: 20
Wim: 13
USO: 21
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Rating lol.
 
ADuck said:
They've been in the final at each major at least 5 times each.

Out of all their appearances, which final did they play at their lowest level and what would you rate it out of 10? Keep in mind, they may not necessarily have lost the match they produced their lowest level in...

I'll kick it off with my ratings:

Nadal:
AO: 14 (3.5/10)
RG: 20 (6.5/10)
WIM: 11 (6.5/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3.5/10)
WIM: 13 (6.5/10)
US: ??

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6.5/10)
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Nadal RG20??
 
ADuck said:
They've been in the final at each major at least 5 times each.

Out of all their appearances, which final did they play at their lowest level and what would you rate it out of 10? Keep in mind, they may not necessarily have lost the match they produced their lowest level in...

I'll kick it off with my ratings:

Nadal:
AO: 14 (3.5/10)
RG: 20 (6.5/10)
WIM: 11 (6.5/10)
US: 11 (6/10)

Djokovic:
AO: 20 (6/10)
RG: 20 (3.5/10)
WIM: 13 (6.5/10)
US: ??

Federer:
AO: 18 (5/10)
RG: 08 (3/10)
WIM: 15 (7/10)
US: 15 (6.5/10)
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It's hard to agree with all, but like others, I'm mystified by Rafa only rating a 6.5 for RG20. That may even be a little harsh for Novak there, who wasn't nearly as bad that day as Rafa made him look. I don't generally rate these things, but to me, it was more Rafa 9 and Novak 6.5 or 7.
 
RaulRamirez said:
It's hard to agree with all, but like others, I'm mystified by Rafa only rating a 6.5 for RG20. That may even be a little harsh for Novak there, who wasn't nearly as bad that day as Rafa made him look. I don't generally rate these things, but to me, it was more Rafa 9 and Novak 6.5 or 7.
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Novak in no way was that high regardless of how good Nadal was.

That Novak wasn't as good as 2005 USO F Agassi and 2006 USO F Roddick, opponents who range between 6.5 and 7.25.
 
RaulRamirez said:
It's hard to agree with all, but like others, I'm mystified by Rafa only rating a 6.5 for RG20. That may even be a little harsh for Novak there, who wasn't nearly as bad that day as Rafa made him look. I don't generally rate these things, but to me, it was more Rafa 9 and Novak 6.5 or 7.
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if you think so low of Novak that 6.5 or 7 Novak only gets 7 games vs a 9 Nadal....
Novak is like 5 for that final.
 
RaulRamirez said:
It's hard to agree with all, but like others, I'm mystified by Rafa only rating a 6.5 for RG20. That may even be a little harsh for Novak there, who wasn't nearly as bad that day as Rafa made him look. I don't generally rate these things, but to me, it was more Rafa 9 and Novak 6.5 or 7.
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If 2008 is 10 then 2020 is around 6.5

But if we're talking what 2020 was capable of performing then it's a 9 or 10
 
(To all) Admittedly, it's hard to calibrate these things, and I tend to be a more generous grader than most, and tend to see victories as earned by the victor much more so than given away by the loser.

Regardless of number assigned, I thought Rafa was incredibly focused and dedicated to his gameplan at the RG20 final, hitting with purpose, (for instance) eating up all dropshot attempts by Novak, and taking seemingly every big point for (I'd have to rewatch) the first almost two complete sets. He wasn't the inhuman speed, power and endurance Rafa of 2008RG, but man, was he on for that final!

I recognize that, as much as Med played a solid final at USO21, Novak turned in a clunker that day. That may have been a 6 or 5.5, even on my scale.
 
RaulRamirez said:
(To all) Admittedly, it's hard to calibrate these things, and I tend to be a more generous grader than most, and tend to see victories as earned by the victor much more so than given away by the loser.

Regardless of number assigned, I thought Rafa was incredibly focused and dedicated to his gameplan at the RG20 final, hitting with purpose, (for instance) eating up all dropshot attempts by Novak, and taking seemingly every big point for (I'd have to rewatch) the first almost two complete sets. He wasn't the inhuman speed, power and endurance Rafa of 2008RG, but man, was he on for that final!

I recognize that, as much as Med played a solid final at USO21, Novak turned in a clunker that day. That may have been a 6 or 5.5, even on my scale.
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I guess our scales differ then :P

Nocak was a 3.5 to 4 in the USO F in my eyes.
 
Djokovic:

AO: 2020 obviously but I’d put 2016 second. That match was gross, the lowest level big 4 slam final
FO: 2021 or 2020. Probably 2020 but he wasn’t as bad as the scoreline suggests, just got an unreal Nadal
Wimb: 2013, wtf was he doing
USO: 2021 by a mile. 2nd is 2016 then 2013.

Federer:
AO: 2018. 2017 beats 2018 for the epicness of the final set
FO: 2008. The worst of the lot here
Wimbledon: 2019. I know he dominated the stats but this is clearly the worst
USO: 2008. This is an interesting one, quite hard. I thought he was pretty darn good in 2015

Nadal:
AO: 2019. 2nd worst of the lot here
FO: this is really hard, something between 2005, 2018 and 2019. 2019 had really good tennis in the 1st set and then he walled up after set 2
Wimbledon: 2011 just about over 2006, although his serve was really good. 2006 is a bit underrated
US Open: 2019 for those **** overheads and the choke to let Medvedev in. Should have been over in 3.
 
jl809 said:
USO: 2008. This is an interesting one, quite hard. I thought he was pretty darn good in 2015
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other ones from you are fine/good, but this one is like err, what ....
fed was way better in USO 08 final than in USO 15 final.
He was also better in USO 08 final than in USO 09 final
 
abmk said:
other ones from you are fine/good, but this one is like err, what ....
fed was way better in USO 08 final than in USO 15 final.
He was also better in USO 08 final than in USO 09 final
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:happydevil: nahhh

(jokes aside, you’re right, I love and admire what Fed tried to do in ‘15 and just let his gameplan and style in that final cloud my judgement :p was so much more high risk dice rolling than 08 and 09)
 
abmk said:
other ones from you are fine/good, but this one is like err, what ....
fed was way better in USO 08 final than in USO 15 final.
He was also better in USO 08 final than in USO 09 final
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If Fed USO 15 Final was playing Murray he would probably get a 9+ though :whistle:
 
jl809 said:
Djokovic:

AO: 2020 obviously but I’d put 2016 second. That match was gross, the lowest level big 4 slam final
FO: 2021 or 2020. Probably 2020 but he wasn’t as bad as the scoreline suggests, just got an unreal Nadal
Wimb: 2013, wtf was he doing
USO: 2021 by a mile. 2nd is 2016 then 2013.

Federer:
AO: 2018. 2017 beats 2018 for the epicness of the final set
FO: 2008. The worst of the lot here
Wimbledon: 2019. I know he dominated the stats but this is clearly the worst
USO: 2008. This is an interesting one, quite hard. I thought he was pretty darn good in 2015

Nadal:
AO: 2019. 2nd worst of the lot here
FO: this is really hard, something between 2005, 2018 and 2019. 2019 had really good tennis in the 1st set and then he walled up after set 2
Wimbledon: 2011 just about over 2006, although his serve was really good. 2006 is a bit underrated
US Open: 2019 for those **** overheads and the choke to let Medvedev in. Should have been over in 3.
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:unsure:
 
jl809 said:
Djokovic:

AO: 2020 obviously but I’d put 2016 second. That match was gross, the lowest level big 4 slam final
FO: 2021 or 2020. Probably 2020 but he wasn’t as bad as the scoreline suggests, just got an unreal Nadal
Wimb: 2013, wtf was he doing
USO: 2021 by a mile. 2nd is 2016 then 2013.

Federer:
AO: 2018. 2017 beats 2018 for the epicness of the final set
FO: 2008. The worst of the lot here
Wimbledon: 2019. I know he dominated the stats but this is clearly the worst
USO: 2008. This is an interesting one, quite hard. I thought he was pretty darn good in 2015

Nadal:
AO: 2019. 2nd worst of the lot here
FO: this is really hard, something between 2005, 2018 and 2019. 2019 had really good tennis in the 1st set and then he walled up after set 2
Wimbledon: 2011 just about over 2006, although his serve was really good. 2006 is a bit underrated
US Open: 2019 for those **** overheads and the choke to let Medvedev in. Should have been over in 3.
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There was no set in the 2011 F that Nadal played as well as the 3rd set in the 2006 F.
 
abmk said:
other ones from you are fine/good, but this one is like err, what ....
fed was way better in USO 08 final than in USO 15 final.
He was also better in USO 08 final than in USO 09 final
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Hell, I'd say he was sharper than in 07 as well. A great forehand clinic – only 04 and 06 US Open finals probably surpass it in that regard. Helped by Murray being so passive, of course, but you can only play who's across the net.
 
tudwell said:
Hell, I'd say he was sharper than in 07 as well. A great forehand clinic – only 04 and 06 US Open finals probably surpass it in that regard. Helped by Murray being so passive, of course, but you can only play who's across the net.
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2005 USO F was also a pretty nice FH clinic.
 
mike danny said:
2005 USO F was also a pretty nice FH clinic.
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True, although with Agassi's poor movement – and also his ability to overpower Federer somewhat even on the forehand side – it doesn't strike as quite the same level of scintillating performance. 04, 06, 08 are all in that class of matches where it just seems like Fed can put the forehand wherever he wants from anywhere in the court. Winners out of nowhere. 05 was a very clean match from the forehand, but not quite that type of classic, in my opinion.
 
tudwell said:
True, although with Agassi's poor movement – and also his ability to overpower Federer somewhat even on the forehand side – it doesn't strike as quite the same level of scintillating performance. 04, 06, 08 are all in that class of matches where it just seems like Fed can put the forehand wherever he wants from anywhere in the court. Winners out of nowhere. 05 was a very clean match from the forehand, but not quite that type of classic, in my opinion.
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On the flipside, Agassi definitely hit a harder ball than Murray so harder for Federer to get into a zone like he could with the Scot.
 
I'm not rating them, but...

Nadal:

AO: 19

RG: (20? really?) I don't know, tbh. I tend to think he got pretty lucky in 2019, so I'll go with that one.

WIM: 11. I know he got bagelled in 2006, but he fought back admirably. This was a straight set beatdown in all but name.

US: I'd go 17 just because he never had to get out of first gear. 2011 the only other real contender in which he was, indeed, pretty bad.

Djokovic:

AO: 20, though all those Murray ones tend to blur together.

RG: 20, probably, yes, but I don't think 2012 is far off. If the weather never turns he doesn't make it look respectable. The way he coughed it up on the Monday was terrible.

WIM: 13

US: 2021. 12 and 16 not great either, but has to be this one.

Federer:

AO: 2006? 2009? Probably 06, I guess.

RG: 08

WIM: Argh... 15 or 19. 2019 had higher heights, but the choke job in those first two breakers is monstrous. 2015 he also went walkabout, but it was never there for the taking to begin with.

US: 15. Sure. His relatives calling all of the lines was hilarious. (Asderaki GOAT). 2005 always seemed pretty pathetic to me too.
 
ibbi said:
I'm not rating them, but...

Nadal:

US: I'd go 17 just because he never had to get out of first gear. 2011 the only other real contender in which he was, indeed, pretty bad.

Djokovic:

US: 2021. 12 and 16 not great either, but has to be this one.

Federer:

AO: 2006? 2009? Probably 06, I guess.

US: 15. Sure. His relatives calling all of the lines was hilarious. (Asderaki GOAT). 2005 always seemed pretty pathetic to me too.
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Others look good.

Nadal USO? USO 19? hello. could've finished off in straights , but went 5.
17 Nadal might've closed it considering he was clearly sharper, faster.

Djokovic USO? 12 and 16 were not great, but 21 was just terribad, it'd be an insult to group 21 with 12/16

Fed AO? 06 and 09 go above 17 and 18.
17 above 18 for the epicness of final set, higher highs and it being Nadal.
Has to be 18.

Fed USO? 2005 was nowhere near pathetic. dominated 2 sets. one low set and one broken game in the next set vs an excellent returning+striking+clutch Agassi doesn't make it even less than good, let alone pathetic.
 
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tudwell said:
True, although with Agassi's poor movement – and also his ability to overpower Federer somewhat even on the forehand side – it doesn't strike as quite the same level of scintillating performance. 04, 06, 08 are all in that class of matches where it just seems like Fed can put the forehand wherever he wants from anywhere in the court. Winners out of nowhere. 05 was a very clean match from the forehand, but not quite that type of classic, in my opinion.
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Federer hit winners out of everywhere with his FH in the 05 USO final.
TA has Fed with 25 FH winners out of 163 forehands in the match. that's a high rate %.
 
ibbi said:
I'm not rating them, but...

Nadal:

AO: 19

RG: (20? really?) I don't know, tbh. I tend to think he got pretty lucky in 2019, so I'll go with that one.

WIM: 11. I know he got bagelled in 2006, but he fought back admirably. This was a straight set beatdown in all but name.

US: I'd go 17 just because he never had to get out of first gear. 2011 the only other real contender in which he was, indeed, pretty bad.

Djokovic:

AO: 20, though all those Murray ones tend to blur together.

RG: 20, probably, yes, but I don't think 2012 is far off. If the weather never turns he doesn't make it look respectable. The way he coughed it up on the Monday was terrible.

WIM: 13

US: 2021. 12 and 16 not great either, but has to be this one.

Federer:

AO: 2006? 2009? Probably 06, I guess.

RG: 08

WIM: Argh... 15 or 19. 2019 had higher heights, but the choke job in those first two breakers is monstrous. 2015 he also went walkabout, but it was never there for the taking to begin with.

US: 15. Sure. His relatives calling all of the lines was hilarious. (Asderaki GOAT). 2005 always seemed pretty pathetic to me too.
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I wouldn't go as far as to call 2005 pathetic. 2009 was worse from that point of view.
 
abmk said:
Federer hit winners out of everywhere with his FH in the 05 USO final.
TA has Fed with 25 FH winners out of 163 forehands in the match. that's a high rate %.
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I remember quite a few winners in the fourth set when Agassi had basically stopped moving for a lot of balls, though. Maybe there's not such a gap between 05 and the others, but that's how it sits in my mind since last viewing.
 
tudwell said:
I remember quite a few winners in the fourth set when Agassi had basically stopped moving for a lot of balls, though. Maybe there's not such a gap between 05 and the others, but that's how it sits in my mind since last viewing.
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6 fh winners from fed in the 4th set by my quick count from the TA descriptions.
So 19 other fh winners in the first 3 sets.
 
mike danny said:
I wouldn't go as far as to call 2005 pathetic. 2009 was worse from that point of view.
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Well, I said pretty pathetic.:p Call it kinda, maybe, a little bit. 2009 was not good, but he was playing someone younger, stronger. In 2005 he was at the absolute peak of his powers playing a broken down old man (and 20,000 drunk Americans) coming off back to back five setters.
 
ibbi said:
Well, I said pretty pathetic.:p Call it kinda, maybe, a little bit. 2009 was not good, but he was playing someone younger, stronger. In 2005 he was at the absolute peak of his powers playing a broken down old man (and 20,000 drunk Americans) coming off back to back five setters.
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Well, the broken back old man played pretty decently himself. After witnessing the Big 3's longevity, I think Agassi deserves a bit of credit for what he was able to do and he played the toughest opponent one could possibly face at 35.
 
mike danny said:
Well, the broken back old man played pretty decently himself. After witnessing the Big 3's longevity, I think Agassi deserves a bit of credit for what he was able to do and he played the toughest opponent one could possibly face at 35.
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He deserves MASSIVE credit. Federer still deserves the opposite.
 
ibbi said:
He deserves MASSIVE credit. Federer still deserves the opposite.
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Fair enough. Although Fed wasn't that bad, it still ended up as a routine 4 set win in the end, not like he went to 5 or anything. That final is comparable to last year's FO semi :P
 
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