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Beerus

Guest
Djokovic vs Federer

AO: Djokovic narrowly
FO: Djokovic narrowly
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer

Djokovic vs Nadal

AO: Djokovic
FO: Nadal
W: Djokovic narrowly
USO: 50/50

YEC: Djokovic

Federer vs Nadal

AO: Federer
FO: Nadal
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer
 

Razer

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic vs Federer

AO: Djokovic narrowly
FO: Djokovic narrowly
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer

Djokovic vs Nadal

AO: Djokovic
FO: Nadal
W: Djokovic narrowly
USO: 50/50

YEC: Djokovic

Federer vs Nadal

AO: Federer
FO: Nadal
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer

Federer has never beat Novak on plexicushion and even lost to Nadal in 09 & 12, but as per your Novak is only narrowly ahead of Novak and is ahead of Nadal.
Federer has never even taken Nadal to 5 in a Grand Slam on Clay while Novak and has even won over Nadal, but you think Novak is narrowly ahead on clay ? You think a double handed backhand is only narrowly ahead of a single handed backhand ?
Wimbledon Djokovic is only narrowly ahead of Nadal ? 7 titles is only narrowly ahead of 2 ?
At US open on the high bouncing courts of 2010s you are sure Federer will be ahead of Nadal in a direct matchup?
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
I'd take Nadal over both Fed/Djokovic at the US Open.

In an epic kit?

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jl809

Legend
Djokovic vs Federer

AO: Djokovic narrowly
FO: Djokovic narrowly
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer

Djokovic vs Nadal

AO: Djokovic
FO: Nadal
W: Djokovic narrowly
USO: 50/50

YEC: Djokovic

Federer vs Nadal

AO: Federer
FO: Nadal
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer
I agree with all of this except HC for Fedal and maybe YEC for Fedovic. We have no compelling evidence that peak Fed > peak Ned at the HC slams at all. If anything the only scant evidence we have goes down in favour of the opposite. Has to be 50/50 at both or 60/40 to Fed at the AO (where I think he had more big peaks despite winning fewer - 04,05,07 vs 04 at the US Open)
 

Djokovic2011

Bionic Poster
Seems accurate enough to me but I imagine many Nadal fans would contend that his peak was higher than Federer's at the US Open.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I agree with all of this except HC for Fedal and maybe YEC for Fedovic. We have no compelling evidence that peak Fed > peak Ned at the HC slams at all. If anything the only scant evidence we have goes down in favour of the opposite. Has to be 50/50 at both or 60/40 to Fed at the AO (where I think he had more big peaks despite winning fewer - 04,05,07 vs 04 at the US Open)

:laughing:
 

ADuck

Legend
I agree with all of this except HC for Fedal and maybe YEC for Fedovic. We have no compelling evidence that peak Fed > peak Ned at the HC slams at all. If anything the only scant evidence we have goes down in favour of the opposite. Has to be 50/50 at both or 60/40 to Fed at the AO (where I think he had more big peaks despite winning fewer - 04,05,07 vs 04 at the US Open)
Nadal leads Fed 3-1 at the AO despite the USO being his preferred surface. I think it's far from certain Fed takes the W over Nadal at the USO.
 

jl809

Legend
Surely 07/08/10dal vs 11/14/15ovic at Wimbledon is 50/50 too? Leaning heavily on 2011 when Nadal literally admitted he was scared of Djokovic and didn’t know how to beat him after the clay Ls is not really much to go off
 

Djokodalerer31

Hall of Fame
Djokovic vs Federer

AO: Djokovic narrowly
FO: Djokovic narrowly
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer

Djokovic vs Nadal

AO: Djokovic
FO: Nadal
W: Djokovic narrowly
USO: 50/50

YEC: Djokovic

Federer vs Nadal

AO: Federer
FO: Nadal
W: Federer
USO: Federer

YEC: Federer

Makes sense i think? Though it depends on whether it's Rebound Ace or Plexicushion we are talking about, when talking about peaks at AO! before 2008 surface - i'd say Fed's peak edges, since 2008 - Novak's peak is greater! Same thing with YEC, it was rotated between several locations over the years! Fed's peak is higher in Houston and Shanghai, Novak's peak is higher in London and Turin!
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Nadal has an argument for absolute one match peak over Djokovic, not sure bout Fed though.

Dal’s issue is that except on clay he just doesn’t have the “prime” to point to. 4-5 good Wimbledons, 4 good US Opens, 3.5 good AOs.
 

ADuck

Legend
We're talking peak here though, not matchups. Fed clearly has a higher peak at the USO. That's like saying Davydenko has a higher peak at the USO since there's a 99% chance he'd defeat Nadal there lol
The thread never specifies that though. I assumed it was matchups at their peak since the thread was organised into two sections Djo vs Ned and Fed vs Ned, whereas if it was simply peak level it didn't need to be separated into two sections, it simply could have been done in one section: Fed vs Nadal vs Djokovic.
 
One challenge is weighting the overall assessment. Nadal might be behind the other two at four of five tournaments - I think he is. But he is so massively ahead at one that he deserves at least double credit for it. Nobody else is a skill level ahead of all comers in the way that Nadal is on clay.
 

jl809

Legend
I really need to explain to why Fed is better than Nadal on HC? You guys are really eating well of those Career Inflation Era slams.
I was under the impression this thread was only about the specific matchup rather than overall success but now I’m not sure :unsure: Fed is obviously better in terms of the matchup yep
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
The problem with this experiment is it doesn't take weight into consideration and draws an equivalence between Nadal's superiority at RG and the others' superiority elsewhere. Djokovic and Federer could never hope to approach Nadal's RG peak.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
I agree Fed is better at HC slams against the field but Nadal edges a matchup IMO.

Fed probably edges a match-up too peak for peak considering how close 2009 was no? Anyway, will accept you saying Fed as the better player on HC but Nadal being able to work the match-up in his favour - even if I think that's overstated peak for peak.

I was under the impression this thread was only about the specific matchup rather than overall success but now I’m not sure :unsure: Fed is obviously better in terms of the matchup yep

I assume it's their general peaks at the slams rather than h2h.
 

ADuck

Legend
AO:
Djokovic 0
Federer -1
Nadal -1.5

FO:
Nadal 0
Federer -3
Djokovic -3

WIMB:
Federer 0
Djokovic -1.5
Nadal -1.5

US:
Federer 0
Nadal -0.5
Djokovic -1

Overall:
Nadal: -3.5
Federer: -4
Djokovic: -5.5

Ned > Fed > Djed
 

StrongRule

Talk Tennis Guru
I really need to explain to why Fed is better than Nadal on HC? You guys are really eating well of those Career Inflation Era slams.
Nobody uses these slams as an indicator of his peak level. (although he did play great in some parts) His hardcourt peak are slams like AO 2009 or USO 2010.
 

NatF

Bionic Poster
Nobody uses these slams as an indicator of his peak level. (although he did play great in some parts) His hardcourt peak are slams like AO 2009 or USO 2010.

No but it feeds into the general perception on these boards these days that Fed is some third wheel and inferior to the other two everywhere.
 
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