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Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic - Updated - Record in Grand Slam final Tiebreaks and 5 Set Matches

Tiebreaks Overall
Federer 21-12
Djokovic 16-12
Nadal 6-7

Match Win/Loss After Losing a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 8-3
Nadal 3-2
Federer 2-7

Match Win/Loss After Winning a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 12-1
Federer 13-3
Nadal 3-3

5 Set Matches
Djokovic 5-2
Nadal 4-3
Federer 4-5
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic - Updated - Record in Grand Slam final Tiebreaks and 5 Set Matches

Tiebreaks Overall
Federer 21-12
Djokovic 16-12
Nadal 6-7

Match Win/Loss After Losing a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 8-3
Nadal 3-2
Federer 2-7

Match Win/Loss After Winning a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 12-1
Federer 13-3
Nadal 3-3

5 Set Matches
Djokovic 5-2
Nadal 4-3
Federer 4-5
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nadal is super average in every stat here. federer at least has the best tiebreak record by far.
 
Towny said:
To be fair to Nadal, he has the best W/L in slam finals:

Nadal 22-8
Djokovic 23-12
Federer 20-11
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the reason for that is not his mental strength, but that 14 finals have been played at the french open where he was simply much much better than all others, including his final opponents.
 
TheNachoMan said:
When Nadal gets to the SF/F stage of slams he’s damn near unstoppable. Big game player.
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Just said the same thing above really. Nadal probably the least naturally gifted of the 3 legends, perhaps now 4th behind Alcaraz who seems the most naturally gifted. So that means nadal would always have a lower median level and be less consistent . But once he got into form and felt comfortable he was a machine and a wrecking ball.
 
No, it's built on AO & Wimbledon. He's 17-2 in finals.

As I explained on other forums, the avg distance run per slam is # of matches/# of slams.

Djoko 5.65, Borg 5.64, Nadal 5.33, Fedr 5.30. Over a slam, Djokovic runs 1/3 more toward SF than Federer & Nadal. These 4 are the highest ever.
 
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I still can't believe Djokovic has as many WB as Pete Sampras. ATP heads are on crack and should be sent to Guantanamo for what they did to the tour on the last 20 years.
 
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Well, did Sampras beat Federer 3 times and Nadal twice at Wimbledon?

Fedfans, don't give that puny 6 year difference. Djokovic is trying his darnest to beat a 16-year his junior.
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic - Updated - Record in Grand Slam final Tiebreaks and 5 Set Matches

Tiebreaks Overall
Federer 21-12
Djokovic 16-12
Nadal 6-7

Match Win/Loss After Losing a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 8-3
Nadal 3-2
Federer 2-7

Match Win/Loss After Winning a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 12-1
Federer 13-3
Nadal 3-3

5 Set Matches
Djokovic 5-2
Nadal 4-3
Federer 4-5
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Nadal?!
:oops::X3:(n)
 
SonnyT said:
No, it's built on AO & Wimbledon. He's 17-2 in finals.

As I explained on other forums, the avg distance run per slam is # of matches/# of slams.

Djoko 5.65, Borg 5.64, Nadal 5.33, Fedr 5.30. Over a slam, Djokovic runs 1/3 more toward SF than Federer & Nadal. These 4 are the highest ever.
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Nadal is 4-1 in US Open finals -> 80%

Djok is 7-2 in Wimbledon finals -> 77.7%

So if Djok's is built on AO + WIM , 17 - 2 (89.5%)
Then Nadal's is built on RG + US , 18 - 1 (94.7%)
 
McEnroeisanartist said:
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic - Updated - Record in Grand Slam final Tiebreaks and 5 Set Matches

Tiebreaks Overall
Federer 21-12
Djokovic 16-12
Nadal 6-7

Match Win/Loss After Losing a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 8-3
Nadal 3-2
Federer 2-7

Match Win/Loss After Winning a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 12-1
Federer 13-3
Nadal 3-3

5 Set Matches
Djokovic 5-2
Nadal 4-3
Federer 4-5
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I don't understand this statistic very well.

fed has lost 12 TBs but is 2-7 (2+7=9) after he has lost TBs
he won 21 TBs but is 13-3 (13+3=16) after winning TBs

no1e has lost 12 TBs but is 8-3 (8+3=11) after he has lost TBs
he won 16 TBs but is 12-1 (12+1=13) after winning TBs

rafa has lost 7 Bs but is 3-2 (3+2=5) after he has lost TBs
 
JasonZ said:
nadal is super average in every stat here. federer at least has the best tiebreak record by far.
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Yes, so average, 4-3 in 5 set finals. Maybe that is because he played 14 frickin French Open finals and won them all in less then 5 sets.
 
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messiahrobins said:
Just said the same thing above really. Nadal probably the least naturally gifted of the 3 legends, perhaps now 4th behind Alcaraz who seems the most naturally gifted. So that means nadal would always have a lower median level and be less consistent . But once he got into form and felt comfortable he was a machine and a wrecking ball.
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Huh? No. Djokovic is clearly the least naturally gifted, he's all about max hard work and efficiency... just look at how he sucks at overheads there's not a ton of talent there. Federer on the other hand is a master of absolutely everything thats true talent. In order of most to least talented it goes 1) Federer 2) Nadal/Alcaraz 3) Djokovic
 
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McEnroeisanartist said:
Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic - Updated - Record in Grand Slam final Tiebreaks and 5 Set Matches

Tiebreaks Overall
Federer 21-12
Djokovic 16-12
Nadal 6-7

Match Win/Loss After Losing a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 8-3
Nadal 3-2
Federer 2-7

Match Win/Loss After Winning a Tiebreak in Final
Djokovic 12-1
Federer 13-3
Nadal 3-3

5 Set Matches
Djokovic 5-2
Nadal 4-3
Federer 4-5
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Seems to contradict the whole Nadal is the best big match player, I expected him to be dominating those tight moments.
 
messiahrobins said:
Just said the same thing above really. Nadal probably the least naturally gifted of the 3 legends, perhaps now 4th behind Alcaraz who seems the most naturally gifted. So that means nadal would always have a lower median level and be less consistent . But once he got into form and felt comfortable he was a machine and a wrecking ball.
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Nadal the least gifted? LOL

Nadal is likely the most gifted of them all, a super freak who would have killed it at any sport he chose.
 
Aestheticsaboveallelse said:
Huh? No. Djokovic is clearly the least naturally gifted, he's all about max hard work and efficiency... just look at how he sucks at overheads there's not a ton of talent there. Federer on the other hand is a master of absolutely everything thats true talent. In order of most to least talented it goes 1) Federer 2) Nadal/Alcaraz 3) Djokovic
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For the most talented, Federer had very few seminal victories. Just 2, according to my reckoning: '07 & '12 W.

The last 3 of Fed, Djokovic had elbow injury.
 
Hitman said:
Nadal the least gifted? LOL

Nadal is likely the most gifted of them all, a super freak who would have killed it at any sport he chose.
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Nadal over achieved givennhis tennis skill set compared to the other two legends which is why he is so relaxed and happy and laid back about his career and the slam race etc. Dont take my word for it, see Djokovic own comments on sunday aboht alcaraz habing components of all 3 legends. He didnt cite nadals tennis skills. He specifically mentioned his fighting spirit and defence.
 
Aestheticsaboveallelse said:
Huh? No. Djokovic is clearly the least naturally gifted, he's all about max hard work and efficiency... just look at how he sucks at overheads there's not a ton of talent there. Federer on the other hand is a master of absolutely everything thats true talent. In order of most to least talented it goes 1) Federer 2) Nadal/Alcaraz 3) Djokovic
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Lets break it down shot for shot nadal v djokovic v federer.
Serve 1. Federer 2. Djokovic 3. Nadal
FH 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Djokovic
BH 1. Djokovic 2. Nadal 3. Federer
Ros 1. Djokovic 2. Federer 3. Nadal
Volleys 1. Federer 2. Djokovic 3. Nadal.
Overhead 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Djokovic

Nadal isnt no.1 in any category above. I agree Federernis the most naturally gifted. Nadal clearly the least. Nadal was the metally toughest by far and as Djokovic said had that spanish bull mentality and fighting spirit and amazing athleticism and defence. Rafa maxed out his talent andnthen some.
As for Alcaraz, again Djokovic is correct. He is a clone of all 3 mixed together. For me its nkt if Alcaraz becomes GOAt, its when
 
Winner said:
Yes, so average, 4-3 in 5 set finals. Maybe that is because he played 14 frickin French Open finals and won them all in less then 5 sets.
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he won them not because of mental strength! this thread is obviously about mental strength, nothing else.
 
messiahrobins said:
Nadal over achieved givennhis tennis skill set compared to the other two legends which is why he is so relaxed and happy and laid back about his career and the slam race etc. Dont take my word for it, see Djokovic own comments on sunday aboht alcaraz habing components of all 3 legends. He didnt cite nadals tennis skills. He specifically mentioned his fighting spirit and defence.
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Nadal is insanely genetically gifted, what are you talking about?

And he has incredible tennis skills.

Nadal is the perfect athlete, he was built for sport.
 
messiahrobins said:
Lets break it down shot for shot nadal v djokovic v federer.
Serve 1. Federer 2. Djokovic 3. Nadal
FH 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Djokovic
BH 1. Djokovic 2. Nadal 3. Federer
Ros 1. Djokovic 2. Federer 3. Nadal
Volleys 1. Federer 2. Djokovic 3. Nadal.
Overhead 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Djokovic

Nadal isnt no.1 in any category above. I agree Federernis the most naturally gifted. Nadal clearly the least. Nadal was the metally toughest by far and as Djokovic said had that spanish bull mentality and fighting spirit and amazing athleticism and defence. Rafa maxed out his talent andnthen some.
As for Alcaraz, again Djokovic is correct. He is a clone of all 3 mixed together. For me its nkt if Alcaraz becomes GOAt, its when
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Good 'Djoke', pal.
:laughing:
 
messiahrobins said:
Lets break it down shot for shot nadal v djokovic v federer.
Serve 1. Federer 2. Djokovic 3. Nadal
FH 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Djokovic
BH 1. Djokovic 2. Nadal 3. Federer
Ros 1. Djokovic 2. Federer 3. Nadal
Volleys 1. Federer 2. Djokovic 3. Nadal.
Overhead 1. Federer 2. Nadal 3. Djokovic

Nadal isnt no.1 in any category above. I agree Federernis the most naturally gifted. Nadal clearly the least. Nadal was the metally toughest by far and as Djokovic said had that spanish bull mentality and fighting spirit and amazing athleticism and defence. Rafa maxed out his talent andnthen some.
As for Alcaraz, again Djokovic is correct. He is a clone of all 3 mixed together. For me its nkt if Alcaraz becomes GOAt, its when
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Would like to note a couple things Nadal is better than Djokovic at volleys and Djokovic is #1 at return of serve over Federer because of his backhand so its almost redundant to have him #1 at backhand and ros separately
 
Hitman said:
Nadal is insanely genetically gifted, what are you talking about?

And he has incredible tennis skills.

Nadal is the perfect athlete, he was built for sport.
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Yes but his tennis skills not quite as godly as Roger Novak or Carlos. Its not a criticism of him in any way. I think in his book he mentions his uncle regularly telling him he wasnt as talented as Roger. I might be wrong as its been over 10 years since i read it.
Rafa could have been a pro soccer player. He is also pro level golfer or close to it i think. Wouldnt surprise me to see him play golf on the pro tour at some point.
 
messiahrobins said:
Yes but his tennis skills not quite as godly as Roger Novak or Carlos. Its not a criticism of him in any way. I think in his book he mentions his uncle regularly telling him he wasnt as talented as Roger. I might be wrong as its been over 10 years since i read it.
Rafa could have been a pro soccer player. He is also pro level golfer or close to it i think. Wouldnt surprise me to see him play golf on the pro tour at some point.
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Thats true commentators used to talk about how Nadals uncle/dad considers Federer the most perfect tennis player and more talented
 
SonnyT said:
Well, did Sampras beat Federer 3 times and Nadal twice at Wimbledon?

Fedfans, don't give that puny 6 year difference. Djokovic is trying his darnest to beat a 16-year his junior.
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Puny? And a three year gap is significant in tennis..

Since 1980, 30+ year olds are 7-37 when facing younger all-time greats (at least 3 years younger) in Slam QFs/SFs/Fs. Six years is colossal.
  • Federer: 3W—10L
  • Connors: 3W—15L
  • Lendl: 1W—6L
  • Agassi: 0W—3L
  • McEnroe: 0W—3L
  • Sampras: 0–0
  • Nadal: 0-0
  • Djokovic: 0-0
If you count Murray as an ATG, it’s 10 W, 38L.
  • Federer: 6W—11L
  • Connors: 3W—15L
  • Lendl: 1W—6L
  • Agassi: 0—3L
  • McEnroe: 0W—3L
  • Sampras: 0–0
  • Nadal: 0-0
  • Djokovic: 0-0
—Connors lost to McEnroe, 1980 Wimby SFs
—Connors lost to McEnroe, 1980 USO SFs
—Connors lost to Borg, 1981 USO SFs
—Connors lost to Borg, 1981 Wimby SFs
—Connors beat Lendl, 1982 USO F
—Connors beat Lendl,1983 USO F
—Connors lost to McEnroe, RG 1984 SFs
—Connors beat Lendl, 1984 Wimby SFs
—Connors lost to McEnroe. 1984 Wimby Fs
—Connors lost to McEnroe, 1984 USO SFs
—Connors lost to Edberg, 1985 RG QFs
—Connors Lost to Lendl, 1985 RG SFs
—Connors Lost to Lendl, 1985 USO SFs
—Connors Lost to Becker, 1987 RG QFs
—Connors Lost to Lendl, 1987 USO SFs
—Connors Lost to Agassi, 1988 USO QFs
—McEnroe Lost to Edberg, 1989 Wimby QF
—Connors Lost to Agassi, 1989 USO QFs
—Lendl Lost to Edberg, 1990 Wimby SFs
—Lendl Lost to Sampras, 1990 USO QFs
—McEnroe Lost to Sampras, 1990 USO SFs
—Lendl Beat Edberg, 1991 AO SFs
—Lendl Lost to Becker, 1991 AO Fs
—Connors Lost to Courier, 1991 USO SFs
—Lendl Lost to Edberg, 1991 USO SFs
—Lendl Lost to Edberg, 1992 AO QFs
—McEnroe Lost to Agassi, 1992 Wimby SFs
—Lendl Lost to Edberg, 1992 USO QFs
—Agassi Lost to Federer, 2004 USO QFs,
—Agassi Lost to Federer, 2005 AO QFs,
—Agassi Lost to Federer, 2005 USO F
—Federer Lost to Djokovic, 2011 USO
—Federer Lost to Nadal, 2012 AO
—Federer Beat Djokovic, 2012 Wimby SFs
—Federer Beat Murray, 2012 Wimby Fs (if you count Murray)
—Federer Lost to Murray, 2013 AO, SFs
—Federer Beat Murray, 2014 AO QFs (if you count Murray)
—Federer Lost to Nadal, 2014 AO SFs
—Federer Lost to Djokovic, 2014 Wimby Fs
—Federer Beat Murray, 2015 Wimby SFs (if you count Murray)
—Federer Lost to Djokovic. 2015 Wimby Fs
—Federer Lost to Djokovic, 2015 USO Fs
—Federer Lost to Djokovic, 2016 AO SFs
—Federer Beat Nadal, 2017 AO Fs
—Federer Lost to Nadal, 2019 RG SFs
—Federer Beat Nadal, 2019 Wimbledon SFs
—Federer lost to Djokovic, 2019 Wimbledon Fs
—Federer lost to Djokovic, 2020 AO SFs
 
chjtennis said:
It is a puny notion to think 6 year gap is nothing in tennis.
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Exactly. Stuff you read at TTW

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