Big 3 will be breaking records left and right in the next 3 to 5 years

[Deleted member 757377]

H2H matches 04-08: like 9?
H2H matches 11-present: 27?

How the heck is Nole only 2 ahead? He should be 35-15 or something lol.

2003-12: 29 matches
2011-18: 28 matches

when they were both top10: djoko leads 25-18
when they were both top2: djoko leads 7-2
most important matches: djoko leads 17-8

 

[Plamen1234]

2003-12: 29 matches
2011-18: 28 matches

when they were both top10: djoko leads 25-18
when they were both top2: djoko leads 7-2
most important matches: djoko leads 18-8

20>14 - the stat that really matters.

 

[tennisaddict]

Just like there is time value for money , the majors won also appreciate with time - especially for those who set targets for future generations

Sampras 14 is the equivalent of 16 majors this decade

 

[KINGROGER]

Yes the 5-6 years advantage, but still end up at the bottom of the trivalry in terms of h2h. Imagine Jordan has a losing h2h against its rivals and still calls himself GOAT. I can't.

5-6 years disadvantage* young Rafa/Nole avoided peak GOATerer too much while Old Fed made SF/F. Which is why he’s the GOAT.

 

[KINGROGER]

2003-12: 29 matches
2011-18: 28 matches

when they were both top10: djoko leads 25-18
when they were both top2: djoko leads 7-2
most important matches: djoko leads 18-8

No.

2003-2008 is advantage Fed. Like 9 matches.

2009-2010: neutral years. Neither at their peak.
2011-2016: peak Djokovic vs past prime then old Fed. Like 27 matches lol H2H looks good for Fed overall.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

No.

2003-2008 is advantage Fed. Like 9 matches.

2009-2010: neutral years. Neither at their peak.
2011-2016: peak Djokovic vs past prime then old Fed. Like 27 matches lolz H2H looks good for Fed overall.

Doesn't work that way. You wish.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

@KINGROGER

22-29 yo Federer against Djodal: 7 wins and 10 losses

22-29 yo Djodal against Federer: 14 wins and 3 losses

 

[KINGROGER]

@KINGROGER

22-29 yo Federer against Djodal: 7 wins and 10 losses

22-29 yo Djodal against Federer: 14 wins and 3 losses

You fail to recognise Nadal peak physically from age 19 and he was a clay beast from that age.

The vast majority of Djokodal wins over Fed came when he was past his very best.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

You fail to recognise Nadal peak physically from age 19 and he was a clay beast from that age.

The vast majority of Djokodal wins over Fed came when he was past his very best.

Basically you decide everything, there's no objective criteria we can discuss on LOL

 

[KINGROGER]

Basically you decide everything, there's no objective criteria we can discuss on LOL

Everything you post is subjective drivel based on cherry picked stats.

Objective criteria:

20>17>14
6>5>0
310>
GOAT or co-GOAT at 3/4 slams

 

[duaneeo]

tied 2nd place in YE#1.

2nd place is not a record.

 

[KINGROGER]

Doesn't work that way. You wish.

Actually does work that way.

Djokodal avoided peak/prime Fed too many times.

Fed makes slam SF/F regardless of age or form cus he’s the GOAT.

 

[Jonas78]

Actually does work that way.

Djokodal avoided peak/prime Fed too many times.

Fed makes slam SF/F regardless of age or form cus he’s the GOAT.

This.

If you define peak by reaching QFs or better is slams, Fed has been peak sinse 2003. Everybody with eyes know thats not true. His serve usually got him to the QF, no matter who crappy the rest of his game was.

 

[True Fanerer]

There is no argument for Sampras, especially now. Players didn't fly all the way to Australia and France with no intention of winning those tournaments just like they wanted to win the other two. Sampras' era weighed them all the same.

clay -- Sampras 62.5%, 1 Rome --- Djokovic 79.5%, 1 RG, 4 Rome titles, 2 Monte Carlos titles and 2 Madrid titles
grass -- Sampras 83.5%, 7 Wimbledons ---- Djokovic 83%, 4 Wimbledons
hard -- Sampras 80.5%, 5 USOs, 2 AOs, 5 WTFs, 8 Masters ---- Djokovic 84.3%, 3 USOs, 6 AOs, 5 WTFs, 24 Masters (record)

Djokovic also has the CGS, NCYGS and Golden Masters, and leads in titles 72 to 64. The only argument Sampras has is weeks at #1 which would be in danger of being passed by 2020. It's all Djokovic, all day.

Djokovic leads him in a lot of areas. He doesn't lead him overall by very much though. The main thing I'm trying to say here is that some from the Djokovic camp (not including you or Hitman or a few other reasonable Djokovic fans) are way out of line. No respect for Federer or even Nadal in some instances. It's too soon for all that. Djokovic is an amazing ATG that deserves mentioning in the same breath as everyone mentioned here. But, the disrespect shown towards Federer is unnecessary and unacceptable.

 

[-NN-]

Lot of confidence in Federer you're showing there, OP.

 

[mr tonyz]

Fed vs Djoker in 2019 AO final would be unprecedented in Grand Slam history .

Both tied on 6 AO crowns apiece tied in Open-Era for 1st. Fighting for All-Time AO g.o.a.t-hood.

Yeah Djoker most likely will win unless he's not in form on the day , but still . Having 2 g.o.a.t's that are tied for 1st place fighting for outright #1 in the final? With 12 AOs in their combined pockets/man bags/pouches?? Simply onboleebebel!

This would be the next best thing to Nadal's 11 FOs . Actually technically speaking it would be even harder to replicate than Nadal's 11 FOs {13 AOs between co-g.o.a.ts fighting for the highly valued 7th & 13th combined AO Crown across 2 AO Hard-Court surfaces}

Who whould've thought? That anything the Big-3 have done would surpass this in terms of difficulty?

AO surface distribution ...

Plexi' 9 (Djoker 6 ,Fed 3)

Reb-Ace 3 (Fed 3)

 

[Zetty]

lol you people are arguing like you know these dudes personally or you'll get a reward for convincing other people of their GOAT'hood

 

[Bartelby]

Djokovic is clearly the best player of the tens.

 

[Deleted member 716271]

lol you people are arguing like you know these dudes personally or you'll get a reward for convincing other people of their GOAT'hood

I know Djokovic personally. He told me to troll this forum and he will give me some of his old Tachnni tracksuits.

 

[AtomicBernie]

Over my dead body. Next year I'll be the second Australian after Rodney to win a CYGS.

 

[CYGS]

Djokovic leads him in a lot of areas. He doesn't lead him overall by very much though. The main thing I'm trying to say here is that some from the Djokovic camp (not including you or Hitman or a few other reasonable Djokovic fans) are way out of line. No respect for Federer or even Nadal in some instances. It's too soon for all that. Djokovic is an amazing ATG that deserves mentioning in the same breath as everyone mentioned here. But, the disrespect shown towards Federer is unnecessary and unacceptable.

Cry me a river.

 

[Djokodal Fan]

OMG, can't believe fedal and djokodal fans are still fighting and crying. Gosh!

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

You have to give credit to Federer for his dramatic improvement over the years. He was 11:23 against Nadal and in the last 2 years he made it 15:23. If you watch him playing in 2005-6 he was much poorer player than today.

Federer catching up in the h2h had more to do with Nadal's decline than Fed's improved play IMO. Watch highlights of their 2017 AO F vs their 2009 AO F and the difference in defense, speed and athleticism for both players is immediately apparent.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

@KINGROGER

22-29 yo Federer against Djodal: 7 wins and 10 losses

22-29 yo Djodal against Federer: 14 wins and 3 losses

You have to leave Nadal out of it since this is a comparison between Federer and Djokovic. Including Nadal obviously skews the comparison because he generally beat Federer 2 out of 3 times.

Overall:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 13-6 Federer (19 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 18-9 Djokovic (27 matches total)

Slam matches:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 4-2 Federer (6 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 7-2 Djokovic (9 matches total)

What I see here are two very evenly matched ATGs where the age difference has favoured the younger player, especially since Federer decided to stick around for a very long time. Federer had much less opportunities to beat up on an 18-21 yo Djokovic than Djokovic had to beat a 33-37 yo Federer. They never even met in 2004 or 2005.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

You have to leave Nadal out of it since this is a comparison between Federer and Djokovic. Including Nadal obviously skews the comparison because he generally beat Federer 2 out of 3 times.

Overall:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 13-6 Federer (19 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 18-9 Djokovic (27 matches total)

Slam matches:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 4-2 Federer (6 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 7-2 Djokovic (9 matches total)

What I see here are two very evenly matched ATGs where the age difference has favoured the younger player, especially since Federer decided to stick around for a very long time. Federer had much less opportunities to beat up on an 18-21 yo Djokovic than Djokovic had to beat a 33-37 yo Federer. They never even met in 2004 or 2005.

2011-18 Federer >>> 2006-10 Djokovic

2011-18 Federer winning percentage: 84.92%
2006-10 Djokovic winning percentage: 77.36%

 

[CYGS]

You have to leave Nadal out of it since this is a comparison between Federer and Djokovic. Including Nadal obviously skews the comparison because he generally beat Federer 2 out of 3 times.

Overall:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 13-6 Federer (19 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 18-9 Djokovic (27 matches total)

Slam matches:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 4-2 Federer (6 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 7-2 Djokovic (9 matches total)

What I see here are two very evenly matched ATGs where the age difference has favoured the younger player, especially since Federer decided to stick around for a very long time. Federer had much less opportunities to beat up on an 18-21 yo Djokovic than Djokovic had to beat a 33-37 yo Federer. They never even met in 2004 or 2005.

5-year span vs. 8-year span. Sane people would know it's an unfair comparison.

 

[mika1979]

Better record in Slam finals. The best ever. No one mentioning that. Mr. Automatic.

he was too crap to make it enough times to lose. only one semi at fo

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

2011-18 Federer >>> 2006-10 Djokovic

2011-18 Federer winning percentage: 84.92%
2006-10 Djokovic winning percentage: - 77.36%

Don't disagree there - that's to Federer's credit that he maintained a good level, and to Djokovic's as well that he dominated a Federer who was at a good level. But that still doesn't change the fact that Federer didn't get as many chances to beat up on a non-prime Djokovic. Djokovic with an age advantage gets to beat up on a non-prime Federer in perpetuity until Fed retires.

Meetings during Federer's prime years
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 2
2007 - 4
2008 - 3
2009 - 5
Total: 14

Meetings during Djokovic's prime years
2011 - 5
2012 - 5
2013 - 2
2014 - 5
2015 - 8
2016 - 1
Total: 26

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

5-year span vs. 8-year span. Sane people would know it's an unfair comparison.

That's because they never met in 2003, 2004 and 2005. Djokovic wasn't even there for half of Fed's peak, while Fed was there for all of Djokovic's peak. Not his fault, but it again shows the age difference has been an advantage to Djokovic.

I can take out 2016, 2017 and 2018 too, so it's a 5 year span. It will only remove 2 matches, 1 at slam level. Doesn't change the fact that majority of their matches happened when the age difference favours Djokovic, and will continue to do so.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Don't disagree there - that's to Federer's credit that he maintained a good level, and to Djokovic's as well that he dominated a Federer who was at a good level. But that still doesn't change the fact that Federer didn't get as many chances to beat up on a non-prime Djokovic. Djokovic with an age advantage gets to beat up on a non-prime Federer in perpetuity until Fed retires.

Meetings during Federer's prime years
2004 - 0
2005 - 0
2006 - 2
2007 - 4
2008 - 3
2009 - 5
Total: 14

Meetings during Djokovic's prime years
2011 - 5
2012 - 5
2013 - 2
2014 - 5
2015 - 7
2016 - 1
Total: 25

But 2011-18 Federer had a much better level than 2006-10 Djokovic, so that balances the comparison.

top10 Djokovic vs top10 Federer: 25-18 - in Slams and YEC:13-7
top2 Djokovic vs top2 Federer: 6-3 - in Slams and YEC: 4-0

 

[CYGS]

That's because they never met in 2003, 2004 and 2005. Djokovic wasn't even there for half of Fed's peak, while Fed was there for all of Djokovic's peak. Not his fault, but it again shows the age difference has been an advantage to Djokovic.

I can take out 2016, 2017 and 2018 too, so it's a 5 year span. It will only remove 2 matches, 1 at slam level. Doesn't change the fact that majority of their matches happened when the age difference favours Djokovic, and will continue to do so.

You cherry picked years that help prove your point. 2011 Fed was not old Fed

 

[Deleted member 757377]

That's because they never met in 2003, 2004 and 2005. Djokovic wasn't even there for half of Fed's peak, while Fed was there for all of Djokovic's peak. Not his fault, but it again shows the age difference has been an advantage to Djokovic.

I can take out 2016, 2017 and 2018 too, so it's a 5 year span. It will only remove 2 matches, 1 at slam level. Doesn't change the fact that majority of their matches happened when the age difference favours Djokovic, and will continue to do so.

Federer won 3 slams 10 years after his peak ''ended'', while Djokovic 10 years before his peak started was this:

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

But 2011-18 Federer had a much better level than 2006-10 Djokovic, so that balances the comparison.

top10 Djokovic vs top10 Federer: 25-18 - in Slams and YEC:13-7
top2 Djokovic vs top2 Federer: 6-3 - in Slams and YEC: 4-0

You mean 2011-2018 Federer had a much better level than 2006-2010 Djokovic, right? I don't know how that negates my main point that Djokovic had more chances to beat up on an aging Federer than Federer had to beat up on younger Djokovic.

I don't see how your top 10, top 2 stats are relevant since the time when they overlapped was mostly in 2011-2015, which was Djokovic's prime while Federer was in his 30's.

 

[CYGS]

You mean 2011-2018 Federer had a much better level than 2006-2010 Djokovic, right? I don't know how that negates my main point that Djokovic had more chances to beat up on an aging Federer than Federer had to beat up on younger Djokovic.

I don't see how your top 10, top 2 stats are relevant since the time when they overlapped was mostly in 2011-2015, which was Djokovic's prime while Federer was in his 30's.

It's an unproven theory that Fed's prime immediately ended when Novak first entered his prime in 2011.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

You cherry picked years that help prove your point. 2011 Fed was not old Fed

Those years aren't cherry picked. 2011 wasn't old Fed. He was still very good, but it isn't prime Fed either. 2011 was peak Djokovic. Fed was 29/30 that year while Djokovic was 23/24. Age difference favors Djokovic. 2012 onwards was definitely old Fed.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

You mean 2011-2018 Federer had a much better level than 2006-2010 Djokovic, right? I don't know how that negates my main point that Djokovic had more chances to beat up on an aging Federer than Federer had to beat up on younger Djokovic.

I don't see how your top 10, top 2 stats are relevant since the time when they overlapped was mostly in 2011-2015, which was Djokovic's prime while Federer was in his 30's.

Yeah yeah ''aging'' ''30s''...

22-27 years old Federer against 17-22 years old Big4: 15 wins and 23 losses
32-36 years old Federer against 26-31 years old Big4: 15 wins and 8 losses

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Those years aren't cherry picked. 2011 wasn't old Fed. He was still very good, but it isn't prime Fed either. 2011 was peak Djokovic. Fed was 29/30 that year while Djokovic was 23/24. Age difference favors Djokovic. 2012 onwards was definitely old Fed.

2011-12 Federer was younger than the current Djokovic, and Djoko led over him 7-3.

9 of the current top10 are older than 23/24, and 7 of them are in their 30s. Are you sure Djokovic was the one with the age advantage?

 

[NoleFam]

You have to leave Nadal out of it since this is a comparison between Federer and Djokovic. Including Nadal obviously skews the comparison because he generally beat Federer 2 out of 3 times.

Overall:
2006-2010 (5 years): 24-29 yo Federer vs 19-23 yo Djokovic: 13-6 Federer (19 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 23-31 yo Djokovic: 18-9 Djokovic (27 matches total)

Slam matches:
2006-2010 (5 years): 25-29 yo Federer vs 19-24 yo Djokovic: 4-2 Federer (6 matches total)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 yo Federer vs 24-31 yo Djokovic: 7-2 Djokovic (9 matches total)

What I see here are two very evenly matched ATGs where the age difference has favoured the younger player, especially since Federer decided to stick around for a very long time. Federer had much less opportunities to beat up on an 18-21 yo Djokovic than Djokovic had to beat a 33-37 yo Federer. They never even met in 2004 or 2005.

Technically, this is incorrect because Federer was 29 in most of those matches in 2011.

2006-2011 (6 years): 24-29 Federer versus 18-24 Djokovic: 14-9 Federer (23 matches)
2011-2018 (8 years): 30-37 Federer versus 24-31 Djokovic: 15-8 Djokovic (23 matches)

Slams
2007-2011 (5 years): 25-29 Federer versus 19-24 Djokovic: 5-3 Federer (8 matches)
2011-2016 (6 years): 30-34 Federer versus 24-28 Djokovic: 6-1 Djokovic (7 matches)

 

[Pheasant]

Time will tell the truth, folks. There is no need to get riled up over this stuff. If early to mid-30s doesn’t slow a person down, then Fed’s slam record will be broken by Nadal and Djoker, which will validate the HTH records and destroy the age excuse. This would solidly drop Fed into 3rd place. On the flip side, if Djoker and Nadal start falling off of a cliff and fall short of Fed’s record, then the age excuse will be very real.

Consider this:

To match Fed’s 17 slams through his age 35 season:
Nadal needs 0 slams in his next 3 years
Djoker needs 3 slams in his next 4 years

Since 2011, Djoker’s first full gluten-free year, Djoker has won at least 6 slams titles in any four year stretch. Djoker can suffer a big enough decline, that if he only wins 3 in the next 4 years, he would still be on pace with Fed.

To match Fed’s 20 slams through his age 37 season:
Nadal needs 3 slams in the next 5 years
Djoker needs 6 slams in the next 6 years

So really, Djoker will need to fall off of a cliff to not surpass Fed. Nadal will need to crash and burn not to surpass Fed.

Nadal and Djoker might end up proving me wrong. 2019 is going to be big. Let’s see what happens.

I personally crown Fed the best of the three because he has the most hardware. Anything other than the hardware is really worthless excuses. With that being said, I have said that age matters. If am right, then Djoker and Nadal will decline heavily enough not to catch Fed. If I am wrong, then they will both pass Fed.

So far, Nadal and Djoker appear to be proving me wrong. They keep collecting hardware. But these next few years are going to be huge. If they pass Fed, then I will man up and admit that I was wrong. That is fine. Djoker andNadal are legends. There is no shame in losing to those two.

Let’s have fun with this race. It is awesome! I love it. My car is ahead in the race. But I see two speed demons gaining on me and my check engine light just came on. I am nervous and excited at the same time.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Time will tell the truth, folks. There is no need to get riled up over this stuff. If early to mid-30s doesn’t slow a person down, then Fed’s slam record will be broken by Nadal and Djoker, which will validate the HTH records and destroy the age excuse. This would solidly drop Fed into 3rd place. On the flip side, if Djoker and Nadal start falling off of a cliff and fall short of Fed’s record, then the age excuse will be very real.

So peak 31 years old Ferrer proved Roddick was at his peak in 2013 (retired)?

Longevity is personal. Federer being great in his 30s (IMO better than in his 20s) doesn't mean anyone is great in his 30s.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

Yeah yeah ''aging'' ''30s''...

22-27 years old Federer against 17-22 years old Big4: 15 wins and 23 losses
32-36 years old Federer against 22-31 years old Big4: 15 wins and 8 losses

Isolate that to Djokovic and you get a completely different picture.

22-27 years old Federer against 17-21 years old Djokovic: 7 wins and 2 losses
32-36 years old Federer against 26-30 years old Djokovic: 6 wins and 8 losses

And 13 of those 23 losses were from Nadal, many on clay. He stopped meeting Nadal on clay when he was 32-36 years old because he ended up sucking too much or didn't play entirely, making his h2h look a lot better.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Isolate that to Djokovic and you get a completely different picture.

22-27 years old Federer against 17-21 years old Djokovic: 7 wins and 2 losses
32-36 years old Federer against 26-30 years old Djokovic: 6 wins and 8 losses

And 13 of those 23 losses were from Nadal, many on clay. He stopped meeting Nadal on clay when he was 32-36 years old because he ended up sucking too much or didn't play entirely, making his h2h look a lot better.

Crushing his old nightmares Nadal and Murray means something, no?

Whatever.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Isolate that to Djokovic and you get a completely different picture.

22-27 years old Federer against 17-21 years old Djokovic: 7 wins and 2 losses
32-36 years old Federer against 26-30 years old Djokovic: 6 wins and 8 losses

And 13 of those 23 losses were from Nadal, many on clay. He stopped meeting Nadal on clay when he was 32-36 years old because he ended up sucking too much or didn't play entirely, making his h2h look a lot better.

First matches (2004-09) outside clay against Nadal and Murray: 7-10

Last matches (2014-17) outside clay against Nadal and Murray: 9-0

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

2011-12 Federer was younger than the current Djokovic, and Djoko led over him 7-3.

9 of the current top10 are older than 23/24, and 7 of them are in their 30s. Are you sure Djokovic was the one with the age advantage?

Current Djokovic never had 2011/2012 Djokovic and Nadal as competition. 30/31 year old Federer had it much tougher than 30/31 year old Djokovic or Nadal. Their strongest competition from the younger generation are... Thiem and Zverev. Federer had to deal with two of the greatest players of all time at their peak.

The current top 10 is much weaker than the top 10 in 2011/12 precisely because of the lack of strong young talent. Many agree with this. You didn't have guys like Anderson and Isner making Slam SFs in 2011/12. You don't want to go this route, bro. Yes, I'm sure Djokovic is the one with the age advantage.

 

[Deleted member 757377]

Current Djokovic never had 2011/2012 Djokovic and Nadal as competition. 30/31 year old Federer had it much tougher than 30/31 year old Djokovic or Nadal. Their strongest competition from the younger generation are... Thiem and Zverev. Federer had to deal with two of the greatest players of all time at their peak.

The current top 10 is much weaker than the top 10 in 2011/12 precisely because of the lack of strong young talent. Many agree with this. You didn't have guys like Anderson and Isner making Slam SFs in 2011/12. You don't want to go this route, bro. Yes, I'm sure Djokovic is the one with the age advantage.

If you're free to write 2018 is weak era I'm free to write Federer racked up his first 10 slams in a weak era, for the same reason (no peak ATG).

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

Crushing his old nightmares Nadal and Murray means something, no?

Whatever.

First matches outside clay against Nadal and Murray: 7-10

Last matches outside clay against Nadal and Murray: 9-0

I'll give you that. Federer would have probably improved his h2h against Djokovic too had they met in 2017 or early 2018, but they didn't.

 

[Jonas78]

So peak 31 years old Ferrer proved Roddick was at his peak in 2013 (retired)?

Longevity is personal. Federer being great in his 30s (IMO better than in his 20s) doesn't mean anyone is great in his 30s.

At least we agree on one thing

 

[Deleted member 757377]

I'll give you that. Federer would have probably improved his h2h against Djokovic too had they met in 2017 or early 2018, but they didn't.

They met in 2014, 2015, 2016 and 2018, and Federer got crushed.

You know very well what would have happened in 2017. Just be grateful for the 3 slams gift.

 

[Sputnik Bulgorov]

If you're free to write 2018 is weak era I'm free to write Federer racked up his first 10 slams in a weak era, for the same reason (no peak ATG).

We're straying from the original argument. I didn't actually say 2018 was weak. I said 2011/2012 was stronger, and Federer at 30/31 had it tougher than Djokovic at 30/31. It doesn't suddenly mean that players at 30/31 are at their peak just because Nadal and Djokovic have both done well at that age. Djokovic still held the age advantage for most of the Federer-Djokovic rivalry, and that's no knock against Djokovic. Federer was still very good in his 30's but Djokovic was too big an obstacle for him to overcome.

 

[Jonas78]

I'll give you that. Federer would have probably improved his h2h against Djokovic too had they met in 2017 or early 2018, but they didn't.

Well this is the story of Feds life. His serve usually got him to slam QFs or SFs even in his not so good periods, while other top players usually got knocked out earlier when not at their best. Just look at his record of QFs or deeper from 2003 - 2018. Does this mean he was peak for 15 years? Of course not.

This is why H2H is absolute meaningless. Djokovic not reaching and losing to Federer 2017-and half2018 doesnt make Djokovic a better player.