Big 4 at each of the big 3's peak 6-year span:

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Fedr peak 6-year span 2004-09 (ATP points 74,987):

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Fedr 442-51 44-23 91-30
Rafa 386-79 35-17 59-32
Nole 316-99 17-28 35-42
Murr 276-91 20-20 35-26

Within Big4:
Fedr 44(20-24) Rafa 7-13 Nole 9-5 Murr 4-6
Rafa 50(34-16) Fedr 13-7 Nole 14-7 Murr 7-2
Nole 42(16-26) Fedr 5-9 Rafa 7-14 Murr 4-3
Murr 26(11-15) Fedr 6-4 Rafa 2-7 Nole 3-4

Peak Fedr was losing 20-24 to the 3 baby big 4, negative H2H against Rafa(7-13) and Murray(4-6), other non-positive 0-2 Simon, two 0-1 and three 1-1.

only 2 rivalries >=20 (#12 is first rivalry not including a big4, m11)
1 Rafa-Nole 21
2 Fedr-Rafa 20
4 Fedr-Nole 14
13 Fedr-Murr 10
21 Rafa-Murr 9
66 Nole-Murr 7

Rafa peak 6-year span 2008-13 (ATP points 63,652):

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Rafa 406-62 47-26 93-40
Fedr 375-82 33-39 68-54
Nole 422-81 48-36 99-51
Murr 321-83 29-31 56-41

Within Big4:
Rafa 65(41-24)Fedr 14-4 Nole 16-15 Murr 11-5
Fedr 61(23-38)Rafa 4-14 Nole 11-14 Murr 8-10
Nole 72(37-35)Fedr 14-11 Rafa 15-16 Murr 8-8
Murr 50(23-27)Fedr 10-8 Rafa 5-11 Nole 8-8

Peak Rafa was winning 41-24 against the 3 big 4, slightly ahead Nole, dominated Fed and Murr. Non-positive H2H with 3-6 Davydenko, one 0-1 and three 1-1.

only 2 rivalries >20 (#19 is first rivalry not including a big4, m12)
1: Rafa-Nole 31
2: Fedr-Nole 25
4: Fedr-Rafa 18, Fedr-Murr 18
8: Rafa-Murr 17
10 Nole-Murr 16

Nole peak 6-year span 2011-16 (ATP points 78,535):

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Nole 427-50 66-25 140-34
Fedr 337-71 28-31 63-43
Rafa 334-73 31-29 68-38
Murr 363-80 27-39 57-48

Within Big4:
Nole 80(56-24) Fedr 17-9 Rafa 19-7 Murr 20-8
Fedr 49(20-29) Rafa 3-9 Nole 9-17 Murr 8-3
Rafa 49(24-25) Fedr 9-3 Nole 7-19 Murr 8-3
Murr 50(14-36) Fedr 3-8 Rafa 3-8 Nole 8-20

Peak Nole was winning 56-24 against the 3 big 4, dominated each of them. H2H 60+% across the whole field except two 0-1 (Vesly/Karlovic).

only 4 rivalries >20 (#20 is first rivalry not including a big4 m12)
1: Nole-Murr 28
2: Fedr-Nole 27
3: Rafa-Nole 26
15 Fedr-Rafa 12
22 Rafa-Murr 11, Fedr-Murr 11
 
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It is very interesting to notice, each of the big 3 lost 24 matches against the other 3 big 4 during their own peak 6-year span.

But Fedr only got 20 wins, losing 20-24 to the 3 baby big 4 while playing 2 more than Nole and 6 less than Rafa.

Rafa got 41 wins, winning 41-24 against the 3 big 4, slightly ahead Nole, dominated Fed and Murr. Playing 4 more than Fedr and 7 less than Nole.

Nole got 56 wins, winning 56-24 against the 3 big 4, dominated each of them while playing at least 30 more than each of them.
 
The amounts of accumulated points at their peak is something I don't think I've see here yet. Quite interesting. Against top 5 and top 10, Federer was better than Nadal and Djokovic was better than Federer. For people that think Federer and Nadal's peaks were higher, and they're quite a few on this site, I would love to see how they explain this.
 
Neptune said:
Fedr peak 6-year span 2004-09 (ATP points 74,987):

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Fedr 442-51 44-23 91-30
Rafa 386-79 35-17 59-32
Nole 316-99 17-28 35-42
Murr 276-91 20-20 35-26

Within Big4:
Fedr 44(20-24) Rafa 7-13 Nole 9-5 Murr 4-6
Rafa 50(34-16) Fedr 13-7 Nole 14-7 Murr 7-2
Nole 42(16-26) Fedr 5-9 Rafa 7-14 Murr 4-3
Murr 26(11-15) Fedr 6-4 Rafa 2-7 Nole 3-4

Peak Fedr was losing 20-24 to the 3 baby big 4, negative H2H against Rafa(7-13) and Murray(4-6), other non-positive 0-2 Simon, two 0-1 and three 1-1.

only 2 rivalries >=20 (#12 is first rivalry not including a big4, m11)
1 Rafa-Nole 21
2 Fedr-Rafa 20
4 Fedr-Nole 14
13 Fedr-Murr 10
21 Rafa-Murr 9
66 Nole-Murr 7

Rafa peak 6-year span 2008-13 (ATP points 63,652):

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Rafa 406-62 47-26 93-40
Fedr 375-82 33-39 68-54
Nole 422-81 48-36 99-51
Murr 321-83 29-31 56-41

Within Big4:
Rafa 65(41-24)Fedr 14-4 Nole 16-15 Murr 11-5
Fedr 61(23-38)Rafa 4-14 Nole 11-14 Murr 8-10
Nole 72(37-35)Fedr 14-11 Rafa 15-16 Murr 8-8
Murr 50(23-27)Fedr 10-8 Rafa 5-11 Nole 8-8

Peak Rafa was winning 41-24 against the 3 big 4, slightly ahead Nole, dominated Fed and Murr. Non-positive H2H with 3-6 Davydenko, one 0-1 and three 1-1.

only 2 rivalries >20 (#19 is first rivalry not including a big4, m12)
1: Rafa-Nole 31
2: Fedr-Nole 25
4: Fedr-Rafa 18, Fedr-Murr 18
8: Rafa-Murr 17
10 Nole-Murr 16

Nole peak 6-year span 2011-16 (ATP points 78,535):

Overall, vs top5, vs top10
Nole 427-50 66-25 140-34
Fedr 337-71 28-31 63-43
Rafa 334-73 31-29 68-38
Murr 363-80 27-39 57-48

Within Big4:
Nole 80(56-24) Fedr 17-9 Rafa 19-7 Murr 20-8
Fedr 49(20-29) Rafa 3-9 Nole 9-17 Murr 8-3
Rafa 49(24-25) Fedr 9-3 Nole 7-19 Murr 8-3
Murr 50(14-36) Fedr 3-8 Rafa 3-8 Nole 8-20

Peak Nole was winning 56-24 against the 3 big 4, dominated each of them. H2H 60+% across the whole field except two 0-1 (Vesly/Karlovic).

only 4 rivalries >20 (#20 is first rivalry not including a big4 m12)
1: Nole-Murr 28
2: Fedr-Nole 27
3: Rafa-Nole 26
15 Fedr-Rafa 12
22 Rafa-Murr 11, Fedr-Murr 11
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Lew, that you? ;)
 
NoleFam said:
The amounts of accumulated points at their peak is something I don't think I've see here yet. Quite interesting. Against top 5 and top 10, Federer was better than Nadal and Djokovic was better than Federer. For people that think Federer and Nadal's peaks were higher, and they're quite a few on this site, I would love to see how they explain this.
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I don't think that is correct. if it is done with UTS calculation then it is absolutely wrong. it just multiplies by 1.9 to make a transition and it shows way too high value. it is because only W is doubled between 2 systems, other results was not (W: 1000 - 2000 but F: 700 - 1200).
 
GoatNo1 said:
I don't think that is correct. if it is done with UTS calculation then it is absolutely wrong. it just multiplies by 1.9 to make a transition and it shows way too high value. it is because only W is doubled between 2 systems, other results was not (W: 1000 - 2000 but F: 700 - 1200).
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Yea if that's what was done then it isn't correct. They have to be broken down tournament by tournament to get an accurate number.
 
Neptune said:
But look at how Rafa dominated Fed from 2006-14, not looking good for Fed.
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It’s safe to say Nadal would be the more dominant player, but Federer did manage some wins during that period. If Novak weren’t around, Federer could maybe have taken some extra AOs and WBs.
Hard to say what it would be like for Nadal as well, had he not needed to face Djokovic in some gruelling matches in early 2010s. Would he still be in a slump in 2015? If yes, another great opportunity for a quite well playing Federer. Not to mention big injuries in 2012 and 2014, although Federer didn’t lose to Djokovic in the meaningful runs whilst Nadal was out.
 
Since 2003, the year Nole/Murray at 16, Rafa at 17, and Fed at 22, for every rolling 5-6 years span, Fed was dominated by at least one of his younger rivalries, LOL.
 
Wow Djokovic 78535 points
Vs Federer 74987

vs Nadal 63652

Djokovic won almost 1.5 more seasons worth of points than Nadal. He was winning at each level unlike Federer as well.

Even from 2018 to 2023 despite huge issues created on and off the courts he won 62665 points almost as much as Nadal's points in 6 years period. Without Pandemic Djokovic would win more pts in last 6 years than Nadal did in his best 6 years.
(PS : Double counting points in 2020 because of slams cancellation and covid, counting whole 2000 pts for Djokovic for Wimby 22).
 
Career ATP Points (up until 2023 YE):
Nole 166000
Fed 164000
Rafa 149000
Fed has 200+ more matches, Nole only 9 matches more than Rafa's.
 
Neptune said:
Career ATP Points (up until 2023 YE):
Nole 166000
Fed 164000
Rafa 149000
Fed has 200+ more matches, Nole only 9 matches more than Rafa's.
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17000 more pts than Nadal. That's almost 2 of Nadal's seasons. And Nadal developed very early physically still.
Already ahead of Federer and this year who knows how much ahead he will go.
 
Rosstour said:
2006?

Fed won both Wimbledon Finals in 06-07, the period of him not solving Rafa anywhere started in 2008.
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I keep wanting the Wimbledon trilogy to tell the story of the evolution of the Fedal rivalry, but epic as it was it doesn’t really tell the whole tale. They always had a surprise in store for each other many times over after that match had finished, and Roger ended up having the last laugh with the ball-bashing exhibition in the 2019 W SF.
 
Subway Tennis said:
I keep wanting the Wimbledon trilogy to tell the story of the evolution of the Fedal rivalry, but epic as it was it doesn’t really tell the whole tale. They always had a surprise in store for each other many times over after that match had finished, and Roger ended up having the last laugh with the ball-bashing exhibition in the 2019 W SF.
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The heartbreaking thing to me about 40-15 is that he would have defeated both of them in succession to win a Slam. I think no one ever did that
 
Rosstour said:
The heartbreaking thing to me about 40-15 is that he would have defeated both of them in succession to win a Slam. I think no one ever did that
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And at 37 years and 11 months of age :-D

This is the guy who we are supposed to believe wouldn’t have been killing everyone in the current era if he was 26 years old now.
 
NoleFam said:
Against top 5 and top 10, Federer was better than Nadal and Djokovic was better than Federer.
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Not at Slams. Or maybe yes. Nadal has won more more Slams facing another member of the Big 3 than both Federer and Djokovic. That's for sure.

Not sure if that counts as Nadal winning more Slam finals fscing the top 3 than Federer, and not sure if that counts as Nadal having won more Slam finals facing a top 5 or top 10 opopnent than Federer. Would need to check.
 
Sport said:
Not at Slams. Or maybe yes. Nadal has won more more Slams facing another member of the Big 3 than both Federer and Djokovic. That's for sure.

Not sure if that counts as Nadal winning more Slam finals fscing the top 3 than Federer, and not sure if that counts as Nadal having won more Slam finals facing a top 5 or top 10 opopnent than Federer. Would need to check.
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Using his 6 year span in the OP, then yea Federer is ahead of Nadal percentage wise. Nadal won 14 Slams against the big 3 (10 at RG), Djokovic won 13 and Federer won 7.
 
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