Big Hitter (Blue) Rough

TenFanLA said:
I played with Ozone Pro Tour (OPT) strung with Cyclone 18g for a few weeks. It was good for my elbow to take a break from YTEP. I played mostly doubles against 4.0 and some singles against 4.5 players. When I played lower ranked players I had no problem with OPT as I won pretty easily. But when I played guys who were big hitters, I had a hard time returning flat serves and taking control of a point.

So in the last 2 matches I switched to YTEP, and I have been bombing serves and returning much more solidly. When I'm playing well with YTEP I'm at another level compared to when I'm playing with OPT. I have tried MANY, MANY player's and tweener rackets and personally I'd have to say YTEP is the GOAT serve and return racket, a little more explosive and stable than PDRGT.

I have adjusted my strokes from Nadal extreme topspin style to more Agassi compact, moderate topspin style and it seems to work well with the powerful YTEP. The extreme reverse FH whipping motion + stiff racket + stiff string = very bad for my arm. But strung with BHBR, YTEP is not very harsh esp. when I'm hitting with more of a conventional stroke. I'm going to try playing Agassi style with YTEP strung with BHBR in doubles tonight, singles later this week. If it works in real competition, this could be the combo that gives me the explosive power, efficiency and enough comfort I'm looking for.
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Thank you for the response. Yeah the Youtek Extreme Pro was my one of my favorite racket when I'm playing somebody stronger than me (along with the PSTGT), it just give me so much power and forgiveness. However, I did found that the racket sometime give me too much power (that's what you get when you demo a racket with syn gut 17 gauge at 52 pounds :P). This forces me to use Nadal like FH without the follow through and gasquet backhand style which lends itself more to injury. Just keep commenting on how it feels to you because I really want to string this racket with a poly to control that power.
 
UWBTennis said:
Thank you for the response. Yeah the Youtek Extreme Pro was my one of my favorite racket when I'm playing somebody stronger than me (along with the PSTGT), it just give me so much power and forgiveness. However, I did found that the racket sometime give me too much power (that's what you get when you demo a racket with syn gut 17 gauge at 52 pounds :P). This forces me to use Nadal like FH without the follow through and gasquet backhand style which lends itself more to injury. Just keep commenting on how it feels to you because I really want to string this racket with a poly to control that power.
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Ok, I will. I'm glad all my babbling is helpful to at least one person.

I don't know what your level is or how hard you hit, but unless I dink the ball I can't imagine using gut, multi or even syn gut with YTEP.
 
Long story short, I need to order more of this stuff.

I had it set up in a full bed at 49lbs and loved the spin. It was off the charts. However, it had too much pop so I was slowing down my swings, resulting in, well, lower bat speed.

So I pulled out my OGSM 16 and hybrided it-BHBR 17 mains at 52/54. Now I lost tons of power, but maintained the spin-resulting in balls that landed around the service line that sat up nicely for my opponents. I quickly switched to my full bed of Savage Black at 55lbs and it felt much better.

So my conclusions...

1) I need to try full BHBR at a higher tension.
2) BHBR 17/OGSM 16 needs lower tension.
3) Lux Savage needs more play test time, it hit great.

And there you have it, forks!
 
Doubles match with YT Extreme Pro and BHBR

I played 2 hours of doubles against 4.0 players and 1 hour of singles rallying tonight. I was pretty tired from hitting against the machine last night. First I played fairly well in doubles. Flat serves were popping, kick serves kicking, slices skidding thru the court.

Then after the other guys left I rallied with my buddy for an hour. I hit with both B5E and BHBR. By this time I could really feel my heavy legs so I didn't move that well. I made more errors with B5E because I had to swing harder to generate more power since I wasn't getting maximum lift from my legs. My buddy said with BHBR my BH was good, FH kicked up, and the slice really stayed low and moved sideways. When I'm tired it seems BHBR helps even more because I don't have to swing very hard to generate pace and spin.

To be fair I played with guys 1.0 - 0.5 below my level so I can't say this was a really good test. Also in doubles I don't have to move as much. The real test will come later this week. I am playing in the 1st round of 4.5 singles league playoff. When I dictate the points BHBR feels great. I will find out how it holds up against heavy hitting and when I'm on the defensive. That will be the true litmus test...Oh BTW, one thing I really liked about BHBR is that my elbow feels fine after 3 hours of playing. Right now that's as important to me as playability.
 
Guess it's my turn to add my opinion on BHBR. (First of all I hybrided it with OGSM cross strings)
Comfort-wise, it's great, arm-friendly. But this string felt low-powered. Like, I could hit all my shots in the court, but it lacked a tad bit of penetration that I usually like.
Spin was good, nothing too extreme tho.
When I was serving I felt like I didn't get that pop/pace that I'm accustomed to.
Same type of thing with volleys. When I punched my volleys they really didn't produce that speed that I like to stick on them.

I don't do full poly/co-poly setups, so I can't comment on that.
But in regards to a hybrid, this string is decent. Very arm-friendly, cushioned. But like I said, not enough power for my liking.
Control was pretty good.
 
Just ordered a set of BHBR. Should I go straight to a full poly bed or hybrid it with Gosen OG Sheep Micro? I use a BLX Blade 98. Also, are there any pics of a BHBR/natural color hybrid out there? Thanks
 
I hybrided BHBR 17 with OGSM 16 at 52/54. I found it to be low powered, so I'd drop the tension to 48/50.

Strangely enough, I found that a full bed of BHBR 17 at 48 was very powerful. I'm ordering some more sets to try it at 52 and 54.

In the hybrid VS full bed, I noticed that...

1) There was huge spin with the full bed. I mean huge. The hybrid was still very spiny, but nearly as much as the full bed, in which the spin was just comical.
2) There was too much power in a full bed to the point where I was slowing down my swing to compensate. On the other hand, the hybrid was very low powered. With the extra spin of the BHBR, balls were landing shorter but kicking up into my opponent's strike zone.
3) The hybrid took a little bit of dialing in on the serve. Power and spin were great, but it just took a little bit of adjustment. With the full BHBR, the spin was ridiculous, but it took a long while for me to settle in to the extra pop.

Overall, I liked the full bed better. I felt a lot more in tune with the racquet, but I really want to try it at a higher tension.

Hope my descriptions helped to the poster above. I had an extensive demo with the Blade, and personally, I'd try it in a full bed. I feel like the BHBR is comfy enough to use without hybriding, and it'll add quite a lot of extra spin to the frame.
 
drgolder said:
This string doesn't really compare to alu power, does it? It is only cheaper.
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The common opinion is that BHBR gives a lot more spin and about the same power, but the alu gives you the controlled power that some people like. Also, alu power will not hold tension as well (or they just go dead faster) and most people find that they play like crap after 2 hours.
 
Really? I just have not found that to be the case at all. ALU seems to play well almost until it breaks, and it takes a long time to do that.
 
Hello, can someone recommend tensions for either BHBR 17 (mains) x OGSM 17, or full BHBR 17 in an APDC? I was thinking maybe 55# x 57#.
 
shogun90 said:
Hello, can someone recommend tensions for either BHBR 17 (mains) x OGSM 17, or full BHBR 17 in an APDC? I was thinking maybe 55# x 57#.
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Here' my experience. I use the Dunlop 4D 300T. No hybrid, full bed with BHBR.

When I first used BHBR, I strung it at 55lbs. It was amazing. Got great feel and felt like the ball was pocketing nicely. Could swing hard with confidence and keep the ball in. No hard feeling on my arm either. Even after couple of months of stringing. I loved it so much that I bought 4 packs.

Then I strung my other Dunlop 4D 300T with BHBR at 52 lbs. Many posters here said its a low powered string and should a lower tension should be tried.

Don't get the same feel. Feels more metallic. I know it's only a 3lb difference, but I am going to try going back to 55lbs.
 
I ended up string the APDC @55# BHBR x 57# BHB. A little too much power, good amount of spin. Next I will try 57 x 59.
nikkhasnis said:
Here' my experience. I use the Dunlop 4D 300T. No hybrid, full bed with BHBR.

When I first used BHBR, I strung it at 55lbs. It was amazing. Got great feel and felt like the ball was pocketing nicely. Could swing hard with confidence and keep the ball in. No hard feeling on my arm either. Even after couple of months of stringing. I loved it so much that I bought 4 packs.

Then I strung my other Dunlop 4D 300T with BHBR at 52 lbs. Many posters here said its a low powered string and should a lower tension should be tried.

Don't get the same feel. Feels more metallic. I know it's only a 3lb difference, but I am going to try going back to 55lbs.
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CDestroyer said:
After playing the BHBR 1.25, 1.30 and the BHSR 1.25.

I like the BHBR 1.30 the best. The 1.25 was a little too powerful and the 1.30 is just simply the best string (hybrids and gut included) I have ever played.
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Did anyone else compare BHBR 1.30 and 1.25? I'm addicted to stringing full poly at low tensions (<44#, Tornado/Hyperion, SPPP@36#), would BHBR 1.30 be more suited to such low tensions?
 
kaiser said:
Did anyone else compare BHBR 1.30 and 1.25? I'm addicted to stringing full poly at low tensions (<44#, Tornado/Hyperion, SPPP@36#), would BHBR 1.30 be more suited to such low tensions?
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If you have a powerful racquet and you are looking to downplay the power definitely go with the 1.30. The control is better.

If you want the extra power or if you play a closed string pattern or a 90, 95 inch head I would go with the 1.25.

Good luck.
 
CDestroyer said:
If you have a powerful racquet and you are looking to downplay the power definitely go with the 1.30. The control is better.

If you want the extra power or if you play a closed string pattern or a 90, 95 inch head I would go with the 1.25.

Good luck.
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Thanks, CD. I play the 4D200 Tour, 95" head but ample power with a full swing due to its heft.
 
Has anyone tried this string as a full bed in an aeropro gt?
If yes, how did it play, what tension did you string it at and which gauge did you use?
 
CDestroyer said:
If you have a powerful racquet and you are looking to downplay the power definitely go with the 1.30. The control is better.

If you want the extra power or if you play a closed string pattern or a 90, 95 inch head I would go with the 1.25.
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I don't think it's as clear cut as that. The first part of your post I agree with but the '1.25' as you describe it runs closer to 1.20mm and even thinner after stringing, so I don't see any reason why in theory the 16 shouldn't be used in a 90, 95 or similar sized closed pattern racquet.
 
I'm a very recent BHBR convert and have been playing with a full bed (and loving it) at very low tensions: 38-40lb in my EX03 tours

I recently came into a couple sets of VS gut and was considering stringing one of my racquets in full gut - however, reading this thread and some others I'm now fairly convinced that a full bed of gut, whilst comfortable etc will see me lose the majority of spin I'm currently enjoying so much.

I'm an all-court player, with a baseline bias - hit heavy topspin of both flanks. Volleying was interesting when I first dropped to such a low tension, but I've found the more I play and get used to the feel the more comfortable I am. That said - volleys are not as good as they were but my groundies are much better.

I am now pretty much decided on a setup with a gut main/BHBR cross hybrid; and have a few questions about this setup.

1) Anyone played with this setup? what did you think?

2) Recommended tension - given that I currently play a full bed of BHBR strung at 40lb (and love it) what would be a sensible tension for me to string the hybrid at?

3) What kind of string-life should I expect from a hybrid? I read in other threads of people cutting out their poly crosses a couple of times before the gut mains go.

4) I've also got a couple of sets of BHSR but not tried it yet. Better as a full bed or in a hybrid?

Thanks in advance!
 
Torres said:
I don't think it's as clear cut as that. The first part of your post I agree with but the '1.25' as you describe it runs closer to 1.20mm and even thinner after stringing, so I don't see any reason why in theory the 16 shouldn't be used in a 90, 95 or similar sized closed pattern racquet.
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I want to try out BHBR and like Orion, I'm committed to low tensions (up to 40#). Since I've moved to such low tensions (Tornado/Hyperion, SPPP) my game has moved up a level in terms of consistency, spin and controlled power, as confirmed by my coach. I'm a long-term full poly player, but not very fussy regarding string specifics, except now for the low tensions. Having said that, I would welcome a further addition of spin and court-penetration, and I'm intrigued by the reports here on BHBR. I can only get BHBR online but shipping costs at TW Europe, who carry it in both 16g and 17g, are about the price of a single set. If I order a roll, shipping is free...

My dilemma is now: should I play it safe and first order a couple of sets in 16 and 17g to try out, or just bite the bullet and order a roll, and if so, at which gauge? What would you guys recommend?

I play the 4D200 Tour, 95 head, open pattern. SW to W (depending on height of bounce) W-W forehand, single backhand (both slice and top), relatively big serve, lots of action on second kickers and slices out wide. Having played nearly ten years on grass when I lived in Australia, by nature I'm a serve volleyer (I'm also 1m97 tall...). However, having returned to the game on the European clay, I've had to develop a more baseline oriented, all-court type of game (that's where the drop in tension has allowed me to take a big step forward!). I'm now 55, no longer actively competing so not ranked, but skill-wise probably a solid 4. Any suggestions welcome.
 
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Is BHBR in the class of poly that die after 5 hours of play like ALU Power, or is it more in the class of SPPP that holds tension for 20 hours?
 
kaiser,

If you're looking for a little bit more spin and pop, go for the 17. If you don't mind losing just a little bit of said spin and pop, purchase the 16. I hit a lot of top and play the 17 in my EXO3 Tours (16x18) and the spin potential is just phenomenal. I don't see why you would want to use the 16, but that's just me-I rarely ever use 16s.

And if I were you, I'd just purchase the reel. BHBR is fairly inexpensive, and if you don't end up liking it, the FS/T section is always open ;) But if you do, you won't have to pay the ridiculous shipping costs, and you'll already have a ton of string to use.

anewtypedude said:
Is BHBR in the class of poly that die after 5 hours of play like ALU Power, or is it more in the class of SPPP that holds tension for 20 hours?
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I get about 10-12 hours out of it before it turns to mush. After that, it doesn't move exessively, but there's a significant drop off in spin and snapbackability.
 
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TheOneHander said:
kaiser,

If you're looking for a little bit more spin and pop, go for the 17. If you don't mind losing just a little bit of said spin and pop, purchase the 16. I hit a lot of top and play the 17 in my EXO3 Tours (16x18) and the spin potential is just phenomenal. I don't see why you would want to use the 16, but that's just me-I rarely ever use 16s.

And if I were you, I'd just purchase the reel. BHBR is fairly inexpensive, and if you don't end up liking it, the FS/T section is always open ;) But if you do, you won't have to pay the ridiculous shipping costs, and you'll already have a ton of string to use.
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Thanks, onehander your recommendations make sense. The reason I'm doubting between 16g and 17g BHBR is because I intend to string it at sub-40 tensions. I'm concerned the 17g may become too powerful at such low tensions, don't mind the spin, though... :)
 
Hey collegues)
want to try BHBR on my Bio 200 lite and KBlade Tour - tension recommendations?
Is it better to hybrid with NRG2 crosses or first try fullbed?
All 17g
 
anewtypedude said:
Is BHBR in the class of poly that die after 5 hours of play like ALU Power, or is it more in the class of SPPP that holds tension for 20 hours?
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It depends on how hard and how much spin you hit. If you are a flat medium paced hitter it will last you 20 hours with some remaining elasticity. If you hit huge top you will probably break the strings before they die.
 
I just threw this in a stick, hit like 30 minutes tonight and found good spin and surprisingly not an over the top amount of power from the bed. Just wondering if these have a break in period? The buddy that gave me the set told me to try it at 52, usually I string at 55-58.
 
USERNAME said:
I just threw this in a stick, hit like 30 minutes tonight and found good spin and surprisingly not an over the top amount of power from the bed. Just wondering if these have a break in period? The buddy that gave me the set told me to try it at 52, usually I string at 55-58.
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Not much break in period at all with this string. Plays well from the get go and has the most spin at the beginning
 
Got around 10 hours with these strings and I actually liked them enough to pop them in 3 of my sticks. Really nice playing string, my bud wasn't lying when he said this was like a better heptatwist. I don't know why people say this is a power poly, sure it's got nice rebound and pop but it's not over the top, I actually found the less power then most polys to be a blessing. Don't gotta think about taking a big cut, BHBR begs me to rip. More of a dead feel and I wouldn't call it very soft, it's comfy but still got that snap to it. Spin was pretty cool, fh is naturally a heavy ball and I could use about any decent poly and bang, bh is a different story... Very picky on the bh side, 1hbh with a full eastern (sometimes conti) grip so any extra help from the strings with spin is wanted, cc and dtl is ok for the most part but looping the ball hitting dippers or rolling angles is not easy. BHBR was magical on the bh, spin increased on all shots with the consistency on shots like angles going way up. Serve was good, again a bit of extra spin was good on 2nd serves and dubs serves, flat serves were ok and I wasn't missing many but less pop led me to hitting the heavier topspin serve which kicked up through the court well. Volleys were meh, not enough feel for someone who likes to dink angle and drop balls often (luckily that ain't me).
Overall 9/10 for me, I liked this stuff.
Spin 10/10
Power (1 no power, 10 overpowered) 4/10
Control 9/10
Comfort 7/10
Feel 5/10
If you like low-mid power and lots of spin, you'll love this stuff! Plain and simple.
 
yonexpurestorm said:
i really like these strings, but i break 2 sets a week. is anyone else finding they break these strings pretty quickly.
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Same situation here.
I started using this string recently for my son's new BLX Six one 95 - 16x18 (BHBR mains with Gosen Sheep crosses). He breaks it in about 6 hrs of play. Is this normal?

I am planning on trying this racquet with Weiss cannon Scorpion to see if it makes any difference.
Thanks
 
^ BHBR runs thin in both gauges. 16 more is closer to 1.25mm, 17 closer to 1.20/1.21mm depending on the tension, amount of stretching during stringing etc.
 
I strung this last week in my youtek radical pro. The strings give such a nice response and they are very powerful. I definitely like it!
 
I just bought some and am waiting for delivery. Any stringing tension suggestions for a BLX Tour, big hitter rough 16/gut hybrid? I tried RPM/gut at 55/53 and found it stiff and dead.
 
NE1for10is? said:
I just bought some and am waiting for delivery. Any stringing tension suggestions for a BLX Tour, big hitter rough 16/gut hybrid? I tried RPM/gut at 55/53 and found it stiff and dead.
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Gut mains?

I've got an EX03 tour with VS16 admins and BHBR crosses at 52/46 and about to get my second one done at 52/48. Great energy, feel and control.
 
Was playing with a full bed and loving it until TE struck!

A full bed is great if you can play it; this is a fantastic string.

If you are playing a hybrid, suggest gut mains as it makes a world of difference to the feel.
 
Orion3 said:
Was playing with a full bed and loving it until TE struck!

A full bed is great if you can play it; this is a fantastic string.

If you are playing a hybrid, suggest gut mains as it makes a world of difference to the feel.
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Thanks for the reply about TE. I have had issues with that, so I will avoid a full bed for now. I have used poly/mains with gut/xs to maximize spin in the past. The reverse setup gives you more feel, but less spin?
 
NE1for10is? said:
Thanks for the reply about TE. I have had issues with that, so I will avoid a full bed for now. I have used poly/mains with gut/xs to maximize spin in the past. The reverse setup gives you more feel, but less spin?
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Gut mains poly cross has more spin potential than poly main gut cross. Gut mains are slippery on poly crosses. With poly mains they get stuck on the gut cross. I've used both as well as full poly. Gut main is as much spin as full poly.
 
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