Big Title Haul of The Next Gen - Official Watch Thread

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Updated after Toronto 2023, with Sinner winning his first big title in Canada

Medvedev = 1 USO, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Shanghai, 1 Paris Indoors, 1 WTF, 1 Miami, 1 Rome = 8 big titles
Zverev = 2 Madrid, 1 Rome, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Olympics, 2 WTF = 8 big titles
Alcaraz = 1 Wimbledon, 1 USO, 1 Miami, 2 Madrid, 1 Indian Wells = 6 big titles
Tsitsipas = 2 Monte Carlo, 1 WTF = 3 big titles
Khachanov = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Hurkcaz = 1 Miami = 1 big title
Norrie = 1 Indian Wells = 1 big title
Fritz = 1 Indian Wells = 1 big title
Coric = 1 Cincinnati = 1 big title
Rune = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Rublev = 1 Monte Carlo = 1 big title
Sinner = 1 Canada = 1 big title
 
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Hitman said:
No slams for anyone just yet, but as far as big titles are concerned, we're starting to see the numbers pile up now. Will try to keep this thread updated to see how they are all doing and what kind of big title spread each one has. Not counting Thiem in this, as he is not part of this generation.

Medvedev = 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Shanghai, 1 Paris Indoors, 1 WTF = 5 big titles
Zverev = 2 Madrid, 1 Rome, 1 Canada, 1 Olympics, 1 WTF = 6 big titles
Tsitsipas = 1 Monte Carlo, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Khachanov = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Hurkcaz = 1 Miami = 1 big title
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Let's see if they can make it happen at the Slams starting with US open this year ?? if so, then i will truly believe Next gen is now starting to take over...
 
Nostradamus said:
Let's see if they can make it happen at the Slams starting with US open this year ?? if so, then i will truly believe Next gen is now starting to take over...
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Yes, we will keep an eye on their progress to see how they come along.

Interestingly, Medvedev appears to thrive in the second half of the season the most. He has won all the big titles post Wimbledon now, with the exception of the USO, which I think is only a matter of time.

Zverev so far has been doing overall better in the middle part of the season, though does have the big WTF also.
 
Another interesting thing looking at those stats - The Next Gen have combined won 8 of the 9 masters series events, the only one missing is IW, which is happening later this year and could be completing the masters set for the Next Gen.
 
Damn, Medvedev is collecting hardcourt Masters like they are infinity stones or something. All he needs now is IW and he will get it soon enough.
 
Just to compare to the Lost Gen

Thiem = 1 USO, 1 IW = 2 big titles
Dimitrov = 1 Cincinnati, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Sock = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
 
NoleFam said:
Damn, Medvedev is collecting hardcourt Masters like they are infinity stones or something. All he needs now is IW and he will get it soon enough.
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Medvedev is personally missing both IW and Miami from his collection of HC masters. But yeah, he is starting to collect them all now...
 
Hitman said:
Just to compare to the Lost Gen

Thiem = 1 USO, 1 IW = 2 big titles
Dimitrov = 1 Cincinnati, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Sock = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
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This is tough to look at. How do we properly assess lost gen and, by extension, next gen after the Big 3? Were they unfortunate to be caught in the wake of the Big 3's arms race or were they just not good enough?
 
Milehigh5280 said:
This is tough to look at. How do we properly assess lost gen and, by extension, next gen after the Big 3? Were they unfortunate to be caught in the wake of the Big 3's arms race or were they just not good enough?
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The advantage the Next Gen have over the Lost Gen is they are facing the Big 3 era that is even further away from their physical prime years, and hence who have become more selective with what they play to peak just for slams. Lost Gen faced them when they were all still going full throttle throughout the whole tour. Plus, you had Murray, Wawrinka, Del Potro, Tsonga, Ferrer all still playing well.
 
Truthfully, I'm only looking at the slam race and see if they will begin winning slams. The Big 3 stopped caring about Masters titles long ago. Fed is already on his way out anyways. Nadal/Nole are the only ones left fighting for who gets Slam #21 first. These guys hoarding Masters Titles after the Big 3 got old doesn't mean much
 
Hitman said:
No slams for anyone just yet, but as far as big titles are concerned, we're starting to see the numbers pile up now. Will try to keep this thread updated to see how they are all doing and what kind of big title spread each one has. Not counting Thiem in this, as he is not part of this generation.

Medvedev = 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Shanghai, 1 Paris Indoors, 1 WTF = 5 big titles
Zverev = 2 Madrid, 1 Rome, 1 Canada, 1 Olympics, 1 WTF = 6 big titles
Tsitsipas = 1 Monte Carlo, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Khachanov = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Hurkcaz = 1 Miami = 1 big title
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Shouldn't Zverev be on top given he's got more than anyone else?
 
Out of interest, these are the 19 current players who have won big titles (Slams, WTF, Olympics, Masters):

Djokovic 61 (20 Slams, 5 WTFs, 36 Masters))
Nadal 57 (20 Slams, 1 Olympics, 36 Masters)
Federer 54 (20 Slams, 6 WTFs, 28 Masters)
Murray 20 (3 Slams, 1 WTF, 2 Olympics, 14 Masters)
Zverev 6 (1 WTF, 1 Olympics, 4 Masters)
Medvedev 5 (1 WTF, 4 Masters)
Wawrinka 4 (3 Slams, 1 Masters)
Cilic 2 (1 Slam, 1 Masters)
Del Potro 2 (1 Slam, 1 Masters)
Dimitrov 2 (1 WTF, 1 Masters)
Thiem 2 (1 Slam, 1 Masters)
Tsitsipas 2 (1 WTF, 1 Masters)
Tsonga 2 (2 Masters)
Fognini 1 (1 Masters)
Hurkacz 1 (1 Masters)
Isner 1 (1 Masters)
Khachanov 1 (1 Masters)
Robredo 1 (1 Masters)
Sock 1 (1 Masters)
 
NoleFam said:
It's terrible what happened to Miami. It's all that family's fault that owns the Key Biscayne land. It could still have remained there and been renovated if they hadn't blocked it.
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Well they donated the land under the stipulation that only one stadium can be built on it so it's hardly their fault for enforcing it
 
Mainad said:
Shouldn't Zverev be on top given he's got more than anyone else?
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This list is continually going to get updated so who is on top is more than likely going to fluctuate, especially between those two. Really it is about capturing the winners and what they hold. However if anyone of them gets a slam, we'll pin them to the top first. :)
 
Jonesy said:
Are they better than lost gen?
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No. Masters titles in depleted fields mean squat.

It also depends if people put Thiem in that category or not, I mean just by age windows I personally do, so combined with Kei, Milos, Dimi, Busta, Schwartzman:

6 Slam Finals, 1 Title
1 WTF in 3 Finals
A bunch of Slam SFs

vs. 5 Slam Finals & 3 WTFs

I'd say 3 Slam titles clearly overtakes.
 
Hitman said:
Another interesting thing looking at those stats - The Next Gen have combined won 8 of the 9 masters series events, the only one missing is IW, which is happening later this year and could be completing the masters set for the Next Gen.
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I think IW will be like Miami, there's absolutely no reason for the B3 to go. IW in October will also play differently than what we're used to in March but either way without the B3 there's bound to be a nextgen winner unless Thiem somehow returns to form and defends it or some other shenanigans happen
 
Bender said:
Well they donated the land under the stipulation that only one stadium can be built on it so it's hardly their fault for enforcing it
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Actually they never even wanted a stadium built there. They filed their 1st lawsuit as far back as 1988, when construction was beginning to turn it into a tennis tournament, citing it was only supposed to be for public park use. The courts ruled against them and said this didn't violate that rule. They have been fighting with the county ever since and finally got their way when plans were beginning to expand Crandon Park, although 72% of voters voted for it. Had they not been in the way and trying to control everything, Miami Open would still be there with a great renovation.

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Some very interesting developments taking place now in Cincinnati.

One of Medvedev, Rublev, Zverev or Tsitsipas will walk out with a big title here. Rublev is the only one of the three who hasn't managed to get onto the table yet, but will be interesting to see if Medvedev can win back to back masters titles now, or if Zverev continues that winning run from Tokyo. If Tsitsipas wins it, then that really does make things interesting, as Novak's potential semi and final opponents will all have one big title to their name on the HC in the run up to the USO.

OP will be updated with the winner.
 
The way things are going, almost certain now one of them will also win Indian Wells in October, but lets see post USO.
 
Interesting about Zverev beside serving for Us Open title, he lost 2 tie breaks to Thiem at 2020 AO SF and this year in RG sf 5th set 1st game triple break point chance and who knows what happens if he converts that.
So he could have easily played 3 slam finals out of last 6 slams.
 
mehdimike said:
So if Daniil wins IW and Miami and AO he completes big Hard titles:rolleyes:Great feat to be honest considering he is just 25.
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Yes. IW is next, happening next month, so very good chance he can tick that one off too if he can ride this momentum.
 
NAS said:
I don't think he will like IW surface speed, huge chance Zverev might win it
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Yes, it is possible. Zverev to me still looks like he could be the first guy after Djokovic to win all the masters. As you can see in the OP, he has quite the list.
 
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Medvedev = 1 USO, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Shanghai, 1 Paris Indoors, 1 WTF = 6 big titles
Zverev = 2 Madrid, 1 Rome, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Olympics, 2 WTF = 8 big titles
Tsitsipas = 1 Monte Carlo, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Khachanov = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Hurkcaz = 1 Miami = 1 big title
Norrie = 1 IW = 1 big title



List updated for 2021 conclusion.
 
Hitman said:
Medvedev = 1 USO, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Shanghai, 1 Paris Indoors, 1 WTF = 6 big titles
Zverev = 2 Madrid, 1 Rome, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Olympics, 2 WTF = 8 big titles
Tsitsipas = 1 Monte Carlo, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Khachanov = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Hurkcaz = 1 Miami = 1 big title
Norrie = 1 IW = 1 big title
List updated for 2021 conclusion.
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I think it's more interesting to list all the NextGens and see how empty it truly is
MajorsMastersYECOlympicsTotal
Zverev5218
Medvedev1416
Tsitsipas112
Khachanov11
Hurkcaz11
Norrie11
Rublev0
Berrettini0
Ruud0
Sinner0
Auger-Aliassime0
Shapovalov0
 
Hitman said:
No slams for anyone just yet, but as far as big titles are concerned, we're starting to see the numbers pile up now. Will try to keep this thread updated to see how they are all doing and what kind of big title spread each one has. Not counting Thiem in this, as he is not part of this generation.

Updated to USO 2021...

Medvedev = 1 USO, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Shanghai, 1 Paris Indoors, 1 WTF = 6 big titles
Zverev = 2 Madrid, 1 Rome, 1 Canada, 1 Cincinnati, 1 Olympics, 2 WTF = 8 big titles
Tsitsipas = 1 Monte Carlo, 1 WTF = 2 big titles
Khachanov = 1 Paris Indoors = 1 big title
Hurkcaz = 1 Miami = 1 big title
Norrie = 1 IW = 1 big title
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Its funny how combiningly they're still only 1/3rd of Murray.
 
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