Big Titles won by beating at least 2 top-10 seeded players (Djokovic Vs Nadal)

[mehdimike]

Nadal : 40
Djokovic : 43

Masters
Nadal : 26 (26/40=0.65)
Djokovic : 25 (25/43=0.58)

Slams
Nadal : 14 (0.35)
Djokovic : 13 (0.3)

WTF
Nadal : 0
Djokovic : 5 (0.12)

Hard
Nadal : 10 (0.25)
Djokovic : 33 (0.77)

Clay
Nadal : 29 (0.725)
Djokovic : 8 (0.19)

Grass
Nadal : 1 (0.025)
Djokovic : 2 (0.05)


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Nadal

1-MC 2005 Gaudio(4) Coria(6)

2-Canada 2005 Puerta(8) Agassi(4)

3-Madrid 2005 Stepanek(10) Ljubicic(8)

4-MC 2006 Coria(6) Gaudio(7) Federer(1)

5-Rome 2006 Gonzalez(10) Federer(1)

6-MC 2007 Berdych(10) Federer(1)

7-Rome 2007 Djokovic(5) Davydenko(4) Gonzalez(6)

8- MC 2008 Ferrer(5) Davydenko(4) Federer(1)

9-Hamburg 2008 Djokovic(3) Federer(1)

10-Canada 2008 Gasquet(10) Murray(8)

11-IW 2009 del Potro(6) Roddick(7) Murray(4)

12- MC 2009 Murray(4) Djokovic(3)

13- Rome 2009 Verdasco(6) Djokovic(3)

14-MC 2010 Ferrero(9) Verdasco(6)

15-MC 2011 Murray(3) Ferrer(4)

16-MC 2012 Simon(9) Djokovic(1)

17-Rome 2012 Berdych(7) Ferrer(6) Djokovic(1)

18-IW 2013 Federer(2) Berdych(6) del Potro(7)

19 Rome 2013 Ferrer(4) Berdych(6) Federer(2)

20-Cinci 2013 Federer(5) Berdych(6)

21-Madrid 2014 Berdych(6) Nishikori(10)

22-MC 2016 Wawrinka(4) Murray(2)

23-Madrid 2017 Goffin(9) Djokovic(2) Thiem(8)

24-MC 2018 Thiem(5) Dimitrov(4)

25-Rome 2019 Tsitsipas(8) Djokovic(1)

26-Canada 2019 Fognini(7) Medvedev(8)

27-RG 2006 Ljubicic(4) Federer(1)

28-RG 2007 Djokovic(6) Federer(1)

29-RG 2008 Djokovic(3) Federer(1)

30-AO 2009 Simon(6) Federer(1)

31-Wimb 2010 Soderling(6) Murray(4)

32-USO 2010 Verdasco(8) Djokovic(3)

33-RG 2011 Soderling(5) Murray(4) Federer(3)

34-RG 2012 Ferrer(6) Djokovic(1)

35-RG 2013 Wawrinka(9) Djokovic(1) Ferrer(4)

36-USO 2013 Gasquet(8) Djokovic(1)

37-RG 2014 Ferrer(5) Murray(7) Djokovic(2)

38-RG 2017 Thiem(6) Wawrinka(3)

39-RG 2018 del Potro(5) Thiem(7)

40-RG 2019 Nishikori(7) Federer(3) Thiem(4)
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Djokovic

1-Canada 2007 Roddick(5) Nadal(2) Federer(1)

2-Paris 2009 Soderling(9) Nadal(2)

3-IW 2011 Federer(2) Nadal(1)

4-Madrid 2011 Ferrer(6) Nadal(1)

5-Rome 2011 Soderling(5) Murray(4) Nadal(1)

6-Canada 2011 Monfils(5) Fish(6)

7-Miami 2012 Ferrer(5) Murray(4)

8-Shanghai 2012 Berdych(4) Murray(3)

9-Shanghai 2013 Tsonga(7) del Potro(6)

10-Paris 2013 Wawrinka(7) Federer(5) Ferrer(3)

11-Miami 2014 Murray(6) Nadal(1)

12-Rome 2014 Ferrer(5) Raonic(8) Nadal(1)

13-Paris 2014 Murray(8) Nishikori(6) Raonic(7)

14-IW 2015 Murray(4) Federer(2)

15-Miami 2015 Raonic(6) Murray(4) Federer(2)

16- MC 2015 Cilic(8) Nadal(3) Berdych(6)

17-Rome 2015 Nishikori(5) Ferrer(7) Federer(2)

18-Paris 2015 Berdych(5) Wawrinka(4) Murray(2)

19-IW 2016 Tsonga(7) Nadal(4)

20-Miami 2016 Berdych(7) Nishikori(6)

21-Madrid 2016 Nishikori(6) Murray(2)

22-Canada 2016 Berdych(5) Monfils(10) Nishikori(3)

23-Cinci 2018 Cilic(7) Federer(2)

24-Shanghai 2018 Anderson(7) Zverev(4)

25-Madrid 2019 Cilic(9) Thiem(5) Tsitsipas(8)

26-AO 2008 Ferrer(5) Federer(1)

27-AO 2011 Berdych(6) Federer(2) Murray(5)

28-USO 2011 Federer(3) Nadal(2)

29-AO 2012 Ferrer(5) Murray(4) Nadal(2)

30-AO 2013 Berdych(5) Ferrer(4) Murray(3)

31-AO 2015 Raonic(8) Wawrinka(4) Murray(6)

32-Wimb 2015 Cilic(9) Federer(2)

33-USO 2015 Cilic(9) Federer(2)

34-AO 2016 Nishikori(7) Federer(3) Murray(2)

35-RG 2016 Berdych(7) Murray(2)

36-Wimb 2018 Nadal(2) Anderson(8)

37-AO 2019 Nishikori(8) Nadal(2)

38-AO 2020 Federer(3) Thiem(5)

39-WTF 2008 Davydenko(4) del Potro(7) Simon(8) Davydenko(4)

40-WTF 2012 Murray(3) Berdych(5) Tsonga(7) del Potro(6) Federer(2)

41-WTF 2013 del Potro(4) Federer(6) Gasquet(8) Wawrinka(7) Nadal(1)

42-WTF 2014 Wawrinka(3) Berdych(6) Cilic(8) Nishikori(4) Federer(2)

43-WTF 2015 Berdych(6) Nishikori(8) Nadal(5) Federer(3)

 

[3loudboys]

Not much in it then and some way to go.

 

[mehdimike]

@Lew II Any insights from this Data?!

 

[mehdimike]

Not much in it then and some way to go.

The moment I sent this post, you had already liked it How is it possible?!

 

[3loudboys]

The moment I sent this post, you had already liked it How is it possible?!

Quick reflexes. I always leave a like when I remember to for anyone who puts some time into data research. Just common courtesy IMO.

 

[clout]

The flaw in these “wins over x ranked players” is the form varies.

2009 AO Verdasco or 2013 AO Wawrinka for example were not ranked in the top 10 at the time but they were godly opponents on that specific day.

2007 AO Gonzalez, 2008 AO Tsonga and 2010 WI Berdych would be other examples of players ranked outside the top 10 who were in great form for those 2 weeks

 

[BGod]

I don't think beating #8 & #10 or #6 & #9 on route is that big a deal in this era. Counting WTF is redundant as that is a base requirement.

Question should be Top 5.

 

[mehdimike]

The flaw in these “wins over x ranked players” is the form varies.

2009 AO Verdasco or 2013 AO Wawrinka for example were not ranked in the top 10 at the time but they were godly opponents on that specific day.

2007 AO Gonzalez and 2010 WI Berdych would be other examples of players ranked outside the top 10 who were in great form for those 2 weeks

I totally agree with you.

 

[Third Serve]

The flaw in these “wins over x ranked players” is the form varies.

2009 AO Verdasco or 2013 AO Wawrinka for example were not ranked in the top 10 at the time but they were godly opponents on that specific day.

2007 AO Gonzalez and 2010 WI Berdych would be other examples of players ranked outside the top 10 who were in great form for those 2 weeks

Yeah, I agree. Ranking indicates a general trend (as do age and name, I think), but there are enough exceptions to the rule that some care needs to be taken in such analyses.

 

[mehdimike]

Yeah, I agree. Ranking indicates a general trend (as do age and name, I think), but there are enough exceptions to the rule that some care needs to be taken in such analyses.

Also, surface is another important factor. Playing Wawrinka ranked 1 on grass would still be much easier than playing Wawrinka ranked 18 on Hard.

 

[Milanez82]

I don't think beating #8 & #10 or #6 & #9 on route is that big a deal in this era. Counting WTF is redundant as that is a base requirement.

Question should be Top 5.

You mean Top 4
Problem with Top 5 due to luck of draw, one player may never face a 5th ranked player due to him being in other half of the draw and most likely that player doesn't reach a final but certainly more often then not reaches qf, where no. 5 should lose that qf vs no1 or no2 player.
Tour should really be divided by Top 4,Top 8 since that's how draws work

It would be interesting to see a stat how many players achieved a Top 8 ranking vs Top 10, my guess is that there is quite a gap

 

[Third Serve]

Also, surface is another important factor. Playing Wawrinka ranked 1 on grass would still be much easier than playing Wawrinka ranked 18 on Hard.

Oh yeah, that's another incredibly significant factor.

 

[ADuck]

You would expect these kind of stats to favor Novak because:

• The ranking system is based upon ATP points
• The majority of ATP points are acquired on hardcourts, because the majority of tournaments are on hardcourts. Somewhere around 60-70% I'd say.
• Djokovic's best surface is hardcourt.

The result is that Djokovic more often encounters top-10 opponents on his preferred surface.