Big Tournaments won by Big4

Madinolf

Rookie
Big Tournaments won by Big4 (Djokovic, Federer, Nadal, Murray):

2002 - 1/14 (7.1%)
2003 - 2/14 (14.3%)
2004 - 7/15 (46.7%)
2005 - 11/14 (78.6%)
2006 - 11/14 (78.6%)
2007 - 12/14 (85.7%)
2008 - 13/15 (86.7%)
2009 - 11/14 (78.6%)
2010 - 11/14 (78.6%)
2011 - 14/14 (100.0%)
2012 - 14/15 (93.3%)
2013 - 14/14 (100.0%)
2014 - 10/14 (71.4%)
2015 - 13/14 (92.9%)
2016 - 13/15 (86.7%)
2017 - 9/14 (64.3%)
2018 - 9/14 (64.3%)
2019 - 9/14 (64.3%)
2020 - 4/7 (57.1%)
2021 - 4/12 (33.3%)

Big Tournaments won in the years Big4 won the most big tournaments (2011, 2013, 2012, 2015, 2008, 2016):

Djokovic 38
Nadal 19
Murray 16
Federer 8
 

RS

G.O.A.T.
This stat makes Murray look like a better player that Federer and nearly as good as Nadal? That can't be correct.
 

Kralingen

Legend
You want to hear an actually insane stat?

Since 2009 this is the list of multi-time Masters Champions:
Andy Murray
Roger Federer
Novak Djokovic
Rafael Nadal
Sascha Zverev
Daniil Medvedev

Zverev and Medvedev of course didn’t achieve this until 2018 and 2020 respectively. There were one time winners dispersed throughout the time but none of them could repeat the wins until Zverev rolled around/Big 3 qualified for the old folks’ home.
 

aldeayeah

Legend
Big-3 equivalent statistic:

YearTitles wonTotal titles%
2002
1​
14​
7,1%​
2003
2​
14​
14,3%​
2004
7​
15​
46,7%​
2005
11​
14​
78,6%​
2006
11​
14​
78,6%​
2007
12​
14​
85,7%​
2008
11​
15​
73,3%​
2009
9​
14​
64,3%​
2010
9​
14​
64,3%​
2011
12​
14​
85,7%​
2012
12​
15​
80,0%​
2013
12​
14​
85,7%​
2014
10​
14​
71,4%​
2015
11​
14​
78,6%​
2016
7​
15​
46,7%​
2017
9​
14​
64,3%​
2018
9​
14​
64,3%​
2019
9​
14​
64,3%​
2020
4​
7​
57,1%​
 

aldeayeah

Legend
You want to hear an actually insane stat?

Since 2009 this is the list of multi-time Masters Champions:
Andy Murray
Roger Federer
Novak Djokovic
Rafael Nadal
Sascha Zverev
Daniil Medvedev

Zverev and Medvedev of course didn’t achieve this until 2018 and 2020 respectively. There were one time winners dispersed throughout the time but none of them could repeat the wins until Zverev rolled around/Big 3 qualified for the old folks’ home.
Going back to 2007 (rise of Novak) adds Nalby, Davy, Tsonga to the roster.

Going back to 2005 (rise of Rafa) adds Roddick to the roster.

Going back to 2002 (rise of Roger) adds Safin, Agassi, Ferrero, Coria, Hewitt, Gravinboginagis, Moya.
 
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aldeayeah

Legend
We need a thread about how Murray does in 2004-2009 with no Federer.
he'd lose even more often to Rafa lol

I'd expect nice matches against the likes of oldassi, roddick, safin, hewitt, nalby, davydenko though

Murrovic finals are a historic inevitability, of course
 
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Strale

Semi-Pro
We should expand these kind of comparisons from big 3 to big 200 since we are adding random people in the same tier as Novak,Rafa and Roger...Might as well include Nishikori and Kevin Anderson
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
What is big tournament? The ranking in most important tournaments on the tour are:

1. Four slams
2. World Tour Final
3. ATP1000
4. ATP500
5. ATP250
6. Challenger
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
What is big tournament? The ranking in most important tournaments on the tour are:

1. Four slams
2. World Tour Final
3. ATP1000
4. ATP500
5. ATP250
6. Challenger
Assuming the first 3 categories: 4+1+9= 14/year. And a 15th in Olympic years
 

DjokoLand

Hall of Fame
From 2010 YEC to 2013 YEC the Big4 won 43 big tournaments out of 44. Crazy stuff o_O

Djokovic 18
Nadal 12
Federer 7
Murray 6
Ferrer 1
Though it obviously benefits Djokovic when you start just before 2011 I feel this stat is important as 2010-2013 is the strongest ever with the big 4 and the likes of Berdych, Tsonga,Ferrer and Delpo
 

Antonio Puente

Hall of Fame
You want to hear an actually insane stat?

Since 2009 this is the list of multi-time Masters Champions:
Andy Murray
Roger Federer
Novak Djokovic
Rafael Nadal
Sascha Zverev
Daniil Medvedev

Zverev and Medvedev of course didn’t achieve this until 2018 and 2020 respectively. There were one time winners dispersed throughout the time but none of them could repeat the wins until Zverev rolled around/Big 3 qualified for the old folks’ home.
Stan has one Masters title and three slams.
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
Understatement: The Big 3/Big 4 collective dominance has been insane.
Of course, not all "Big Titles" are created equal, but still, here's where there is a case for a "Big 4":

Big Titles:
Novak 61
Rafa 57
Fed 54

( Lendl 33; Sampras and Mac 32; Connors 31; Agassi 27; Borg and Laver (just in OE!) 25; Becker 23)

Murray 20 (a lonnng way from Fed at 54, but almost 3 times as many as Safin and Zv)
(Big gap to contemporaries)

Safin and Zverev 7
...
Stan 4
 

TMF

Talk Tennis Guru
Assuming the first 3 categories: 4+1+9= 14/year. And a 15th in Olympic years
You can't mix and match tournaments with different tier and group them together.

If we are going to base on single titles and omit their difference in important/prestige, then we should count everything.

Most ATP Titles in the Open era
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Roger Federer 103
3. Ivan Lendl 94
4. Rafael Nadal 88
5. Novak Djokovic 85
6. John McEnroe 77
7. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
9. Guillermo Vilas 62
10. Andre Agassi 60
11. Boris Becker 49
 

N01E

Hall of Fame
You want to hear an actually insane stat?

Since 2009 this is the list of multi-time Masters Champions:
Andy Murray
Roger Federer
Novak Djokovic
Rafael Nadal
Sascha Zverev
Daniil Medvedev

Zverev and Medvedev of course didn’t achieve this until 2018 and 2020 respectively. There were one time winners dispersed throughout the time but none of them could repeat the wins until Zverev rolled around/Big 3 qualified for the old folks’ home.
Zverev got 2 masters in 2017 and Medvedev in 2019. What's also interesting is that since 2018 only 3 players won the same M1000 at least twice:
Nadal
Djokovic
Zverev

And just one of them defended the M1000 title: Nadal in Canada 2019, which also happens to be his only successful non-clay title defense (at any level).

To get another two-time champion we'd have to go back to 2017 (Fed in Miami) and for another one to 2011 (Murray in Shanghai).

So in the last 11 years only 5 players managed to win the same M1000 (or any big event) at least twice. Big 4 + Zverev.
 
Understatement: The Big 3/Big 4 collective dominance has been insane.
Of course, not all "Big Titles" are created equal, but still, here's where there is a case for a "Big 4":

Big Titles:
Novak 61
Rafa 57
Fed 54

( Lendl 33; Sampras and Mac 32; Connors 31; Agassi 27; Borg and Laver (just in OE!) 25; Becker 23)

Murray 20 (a lonnng way from Fed at 54, but almost 3 times as many as Safin and Zv)
(Big gap to contemporaries)

Safin and Zverev 7
...
Stan 4
I can tell you're using UTS new participation-algorithm-based list of super 9's prior to 1990. It's a mess, the old Wikipedia-original-research-based list was still more sensible imo. (It was finally removed from the Wiki article like half a year ago for being original research since "super 9" didn't directly exist before the ATP unification, and the Grand Prix top events list would be longer and vary in number across seasons; that apparently incentivised the UTS webmaster to make his own list.)
 

RaulRamirez

Legend
I can tell you're using UTS new participation-algorithm-based list of super 9's prior to 1990. It's a mess, the old Wikipedia-original-research-based list was still more sensible imo. (It was finally removed from the Wiki article like half a year ago for being original research since "super 9" didn't directly exist before the ATP unification, and the Grand Prix top events list would be longer and vary in number across seasons; that apparently incentivised the UTS webmaster to make his own list.)
I did, but my purpose was not to dig into all the technicalities prior to 1990.
During the Big 3 Era - which this post concerned - it just shows how consistent Murray was in the "Big Tourneys", which this post was about.

Obviously, as I wrote, not all big tourneys are created equal, and I'm okay with "Big 3" as there's a sizable gap, even here, between Big 3 and Andy. But there's still a significant gap between Andy and others of this era. That's all. I'm not debating among Big 3 or whether Andy is an "ATG", as that's been done to death.
 
I did, but my purpose was not to dig into all the technicalities prior to 1990.
During the Big 3 Era - which this post concerned - it just shows how consistent Murray was in the "Big Tourneys", which this post was about.

Obviously, as I wrote, not all big tourneys are created equal, and I'm okay with "Big 3" as there's a sizable gap, even here, between Big 3 and Andy. But there's still a significant gap between Andy and others of this era. That's all. I'm not debating among Big 3 or whether Andy is an "ATG", as that's been done to death.
Big 4 was a perfectly sensible term indeed. Big 3 will be much more relevant going forward though, as from a historical perspective the difference between any of Fedalovic and Murray is far greater as that between Murray and the next best Wawrinka.
 
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