Big3 era is over - The fearsome four have arrived

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Thoughts?

Will Djokovic finally lose in AO and Nadal in RG next year?

I think tennis isn't in a bad state anymore. Those 4 are great successors.
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
this is the fifth year in a row when a Big 3 member won't win the WTF

let's make these threads when something new actually happens, like them not winning a GS in a year
Yeah but at least Djokovic showed up in the final twice since 2015. No both he and Nadal are getting outplayed by the new gen.
 

Backspin1183

G.O.A.T.
Nadal can't even win the wtf during it's meme times. He'll never win it, but at least non slam losses don't bother me anymore.
Exactly. If he couldn't do it this year, he'll never win it. Things could be more favorable for him when it moves to Turin but he'll be too old to win by then. He's already struggling to hang with Thiem and Med in long rallies over 2-3 sets. Things will only get worse for him as he gets older.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Federer will never win another significant match against Thiem/Medvedev. Djokovic/Nadal might luck out a few, however!
 

Apollo17

Rookie
Didn't the last years taught us that WTF is an indicator of nothing for the next year ? Both Zverev and Tsitsipas were still flopping after their WTF win.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Thiem won a GS. That's something new actually happened.
Yes, and he didn't have to go through any of the behemoths. I am not saying that his win is asterisked, it is not, but he didn't exactly prove that he got over the hurdle in the Majors as far as the top dogs are concerned. That could change, but as of now that is the situation.

:cool:
 

Cortana

Hall of Fame
Didn't the last years taught us that WTF is an indicator of nothing for the next year ? Both Zverev and Tsitsipas were still flopping after their WTF win.
It's not about the winner. It's that both Thiem and Nadal won against Djokovic and Nadal.
 

BeatlesFan

Bionic Poster
Those 4 are great successors.
Wrong. If they were great successors, they would have been winning slams back in 2015-1018, denying the big three countless slams.

One of them (Thiem) finally won a slam at age 27 after choking massively and only winning because Zedrot choked even harder. The rest of them have done absolutely nothing of note in slams.
 

tudwell

Legend
outplayed? they both choked if anything
That’s one way of looking at it, but on the other hand winning how they did today is arguably more impressive than just delivering a beat down. That could easily be chalked up to a bad day at the office for the old dudes and filed away as having no bearing on a slam match (see Thiem’s numerous straight-sets clay wins over Nadal, for example). Here they came through extremely pressure-filled moments with their backs against the wall, which is likely what’ll have to happen if they want to start taking slams from the Big 2. So some very good experience to build on moving forward. Potentially.
 

StANDAA

G.O.A.T.
That’s one way of looking at it, but on the other hand winning how they did today is arguably more impressive than just delivering a beat down. That could easily be chalked up to a bad day at the office for the old dudes and filed away as having no bearing on a slam match (see Thiem’s numerous straight-sets clay wins over Nadal, for example). Here they came through extremely pressure-filled moments with their backs against the wall, which is likely what’ll have to happen if they want to start taking slams from the Big 2. So some very good experience to build on moving forward. Potentially.
fact is they both should've delivered a beatdown today, but they choked as well. both matches should've been won in an easier manner. making it more difficult for themselves and then getting called a fighter isn't what should be happening.
 

tudwell

Legend
fact is they both should've delivered a beatdown today, but they choked as well. both matches should've been won in an easier manner. making it more difficult for themselves and then getting called a fighter isn't what should be happening.
I mean, I won’t exactly disagree but it’s also great experience to know they can turn around matches against the Big 2 from the brink of defeat, even after choking a lead.
 
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Meles

Bionic Poster
Didn't the last years taught us that WTF is an indicator of nothing for the next year ? Both Zverev and Tsitsipas were still flopping after their WTF win.
Well Thiem made the final last year and if the rankings weren't all hosed up he'd be #2 easily now. Short year for Tsits, so I'd not read much into that and his stats this year have been superlative with near Roddick like serve game and approaching a Sampras like return game. Zverev is kind of a favorite whipping boy and if he were living up to his potential he'd be the one at the lead of the spearhead.:sick: You'd have to be pretty dense at this point to think that Medvedev and Thiem won't cause a ton of trouble in 2021.:rolleyes:
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
fact is they both should've delivered a beatdown today, but they choked as well. both matches should've been won in an easier manner. making it more difficult for themselves and then getting called a fighter isn't what should be happening.
I'm confused, you're telling the world you thought Thiem and Medvedev were going to crush Nole and Ned today?:whistle: You're a bold one!
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Thoughts?

Will Djokovic finally lose in AO and Nadal in RG next year?

I think tennis isn't in a bad state anymore. Those 4 are great successors.
Past 4 years Murray Dimitrov zverev and Tsitsipas won WTF. Who won a major post 2016 out of those 4? That should answer the question.
 

Beckerserve

Hall of Fame
Only on TTW are we talking about Thiem and Medvedev choking when Nole up 4-0 in deciding breaker and Ned serving for the match at 5-4 in the 2nd.:sneaky:
Nadal did not choke today. Djokovic didnt either. Thiem and Medvedev stepped up with big shots.
While Nadal still looks ordinary on greenset indoors Djokovic looks like he may be in decline looking at his body of work since lockdown
 

Bamoos

Rookie
Novak ruined the script with the match points saved last year at Wimbledon

Thankfully, thiem, Medvedev have started to save tennis this year. Now we need a de-djokovic at Australia and the tide will have turned.
 

Tennis_Hands

Bionic Poster
Oh I'd like to see Fed v Med. Fed may stand little chance against Thiem, but I'd still favor him over Med.
Federer has a good chance against anyone at the WTF. Last year he beat Djokovic there, and he hasn't lost a match against Nadal on HC in some time.
Medvedev is still seeking his first win against Federer. Obviously Thiem is the most problematic for Federer, as their matches until now show. For some reason Thiem is a bad match up against Federer: I guess his BH gives huge problems to Federer, and Fed's FH is a shadow of his former glory, so he cannot compensate there. Thiem is also a lot faster and hits a very heavy ball, which Federer has sometimes problems controlling. With that said, they are 1:1 at the WTF, so it is not like Federer doesn't know how to beat Thiem there.

:cool:
 
fact is they both should've delivered a beatdown today, but they choked as well. both matches should've been won in an easier manner. making it more difficult for themselves and then getting called a fighter isn't what should be happening.
At the end they still won
 
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