Big3 played their best tennis in their 30s and that's why (ridicolous stat)

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Full list of Grand Slam finals and semifinals that Big3 played in their 30s against other players:

2012 WI Federer-Murray 3-1
2013 AO Federer-Murray 2-3
2014 WI Federer-Raonic 3-0
2014 UO Federer-Cilic 0-3
2015 WI Federer-Murray 3-0
2015 UO Federer-Wawrinka 3-0
2016 WI Federer-Raonic 2-3
2017 AO Federer-Wawrinka 3-2
2017 AO Nadal-Dimitrov 3-2
2017 RG Nadal-Thiem 3-0
2017 RG Nadal-Wawrinka 3-0
2017 WI Federer-Berdych 3-0
2017 WI Federer-Cilic 3-0
2017 UO Nadal-Del Potro 3-1
2017 UO Nadal-Anderson 3-0
2018 AO Federer-Chung 2-0
2018 AO Federer-Cilic 3-2
2018 RG Nadal-Del Potro 3-0
2018 RG Nadal-Thiem 3-0
2018 WI Djokovic-Anderson 3-0
2018 UO Nadal-Del Potro 0-2
2018 UO Djokovic-Nishikori 3-0
2018 UO Djokovic-Del Potro 3-0
2019 AO Djokovic-Pouille 3-0
2019 AO Nadal-Tsitsipas 3-0
2019 RG Djokovic-Thiem 2-3
2019 RG Nadal-Thiem 3-1
2019 WI Djokovic-Bautista Agut 3-1
2019 UO Nadal-Berrettini 3-0
2019 UO Nadal-Medvedev 3-2
2020 AO Djokovic-Thiem 3-2
2020 RG Djokovic-Tsitsipas 3-2
2020 RG Nadal-Schwartzmann 3-0
2021 AO Djokovic-Karatsev 3-0
2021 AO Djokovic-Medvedev 3-0

Wins: 30 (20 in straight sets)
Losses 5


This stat is ridicolous. They won nearly all big matches against the field and nearly 2 times out of 3 without dropping a set. In their 30s they may not have won 90 matches in a season but they peaked very high when it most mattered.
 
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Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Slam finals:

2012 WI Federer-Murray 3-1
2017 RG Nadal-Wawrinka 3-0
2017 WI Federer-Cilic 3-0
2017 UO Nadal-Anderson 3-0
2018 AO Federer-Cilic 3-2
2018 RG Nadal-Thiem 3-0
2018 WI Djokovic-Anderson 3-0
2018 UO Djokovic-Del Potro 3-0
2019 RG Nadal-Thiem 3-1
2019 UO Nadal-Medvedev 3-2
2020 AO Djokovic-Thiem 3-2
2021 AO Djokovic-Medvedev 3-0

12 wins (7 in straight sets)
0 losses

o_O
 

Sunny014

Legend
Weaker your opposition more perfect your dominance looks.

Next gen should use less or twitter/instagram and be more focused on Tennis with a killer instinct to dislike the big 3 and not rest until they are outside the 10.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
Strong era tennis :D

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Towny

Hall of Fame
This is more an indictment of the weakness of the field tbh. Plus you missed Federer's Wimbledon SF loss to Raonic in 2016.

No doubt the Big 3 have played some great tennis in their 30s, but the field clearly has weakened as Wawrinka, Murray, Berdych, Tsonga etc. have got older and the Next Gen have not been able to match, let alone surpass that level
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
This is more an indictment of the weakness of the field tbh. Plus you missed Federer's Wimbledon SF loss to Raonic in 2016.

No doubt the Big 3 have played some great tennis in their 30s, but the field clearly has weakened as Wawrinka, Murray, Berdych, Tsonga etc. have got older and the Next Gen have not been able to match, let alone surpass that level
12-0 in Slam finals and they played only multiple Slam finalists:

Murray, Wawrinka, Thiem, Cilic, Medvedev, Del Potro, Anderson
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
12-0 in Slam finals and they played only multiple Slam finalists:

Murray, Wawrinka, Thiem, Cilic, Medvedev, Del Potro, Anderson
Nadal and Federer have 1 non-Big 3 slam final loss each in their entire careers. Djokovic has 4 to Murray and Wawrinka, neither of which he has played at slam finals/SFs in his 30s, largely because of their obvious decline. So going 12-0 isn't that surprising, especially when Murray and Wawrinka only make up 2 of them.
Fed is peak for beating Gonzalez, Baghdatis, Philippoussis while Big3 are not peak for beating Murray, Wawrinka and Thiem :unsure:
Yeah by all means mention Baghdatis, Gonzalez and Philippousis and not Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Agassi. Not to mention Del Potro, Murray, Tsonga, and Berdych later on in his 20s.

You also missed Federer's loss to Murray AO 2013 SF in your OP
 

Lew II

G.O.A.T.
Nadal and Federer have 1 non-Big 3 slam final loss each in their entire careers. Djokovic has 4 to Murray and Wawrinka, neither of which he has played at slam finals/SFs in his 30s, largely because of their obvious decline. So going 12-0 isn't that surprising, especially when Murray and Wawrinka only make up 2 of them.

Yeah by all means mention Baghdatis, Gonzalez and Philippousis and not Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Agassi. Not to mention Del Potro, Murray, Tsonga, and Berdych later on in his 20s.

You also missed Federer's loss to Murray AO 2013 SF in your OP
I think 12-0 in Slam finals is impressive whoever you met.

Too mistakes in the OP :confused: That's because I wrote from the phone instead of the pc
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Fed is peak for beating Gonzalez, Baghdatis, Philippoussis while Big3 are not peak for beating Murray, Wawrinka and Thiem :unsure:

Big 3 beat the strongest opponents in 2007-13 - better versions of themselves and younger and better versions of the same guys they dominated during that time and later. For Federer and Nadal, some of their best and hardest fought matches took place before that period as well - Rome 2006 for example being one of the best and toughest matches on clay in the Nadal clay era, along with Madrid 09 vs Djokovic and a couple others.

Thiem is a ferrer tier player and both Murray and Wawrinka owe their careers to peak Djokovic who couldn’t take care of his end of the bargain.

Peak Federer is responsible two slams by non big 3 players - Safin AO05 and Del Potro 2009. Peak Nadal is responsible for zero slams won by big 3 players, though he did lose to Wawrinka in 2014 which was the second sign of his decline from his 05-mid 13 prime, the first being his bad record at the end of 2013.

Peak Djokovic is responsible for 5 slams won by non big 3 members, failed to win a set off Murray on grass at their respective peaks, had a losing record in slam finals until literally all 3 of his big rivals succumbed to injury related declines (Federer knees 2013, Murray back surgery 2013, Nadal composite sum of injuries adding up by the end of 2013). Despite that, in the first down year from his rivals he still managed to lose the AO to Stan, RG to Nadal, the USO to Nishikori (lol), and barely scraped by a 6 years older heavily declined version of the previous era’s champ at Wimbledon. Also as the supposed HC GOAT, Djokovic has a losing record in US open finals.

In his 28 year old season, Djokovic started piling up titles and other accolades, taking advantage of the vacuum of talent that followed his generation. All you’ve done in the OP is prove that we’re living in the inflation era with zero new great players. We can confirm this is an inflation era because Nadal has also added 6 slams and 2 years at number 1 since 2017 despite being a shadow of what he was before 2014-15. Because your favorite player put up 2/3 of his resume in a weak era, you have to pretend there isn’t a hilariously unprecedented void in young talent.

Djokovic is the most dedicated to health and fitness of all time and also the most consistent of all time, I’ll give him that. Definitely the ideal game for week to week consistency in the homogenization era.
 
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mike danny

Bionic Poster
Nadal and Federer have 1 non-Big 3 slam final loss each in their entire careers. Djokovic has 4 to Murray and Wawrinka, neither of which he has played at slam finals/SFs in his 30s, largely because of their obvious decline. So going 12-0 isn't that surprising, especially when Murray and Wawrinka only make up 2 of them.

Yeah by all means mention Baghdatis, Gonzalez and Philippousis and not Safin, Hewitt, Roddick and Agassi. Not to mention Del Potro, Murray, Tsonga, and Berdych later on in his 20s.

You also missed Federer's loss to Murray AO 2013 SF in your OP
Heck, let's completely dismiss Nadal from that period of Fed's, who was as irrelevant in Djoko's second dominant stretch as he could be.
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
Heck, let's completely dismiss Nadal from that period of Fed's, who was as irrelevant in Djoko's second dominant stretch as he could be.
Well he was talking about non-Big 3 opponents so I didn't mention him. But yeah Nadal was very much a force in that period.
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Heck, let's completely dismiss Nadal from that period of Fed's, who was as irrelevant in Djoko's second dominant stretch as he could be.

Not to mention Djokovic was much closer to peak in 2007-08, losing only to Federer, Nadal, and Safin at slams, than Nadal was in 2014-16. Anyone trying to glorify the competition level in the last 6-7 years has a clear agenda
 

Blahovic

Professional
Something people overlook is the benefits of cumulative experience and victories for the Big 3. They are now better than ever at elevating for finals, especially at their favourite tournaments. Djokovic spoke about this after beating Thiem in the 2020 AO final, that he felt his experience was a big advantage.

Djokovic in 2012-2014 was capable of things that Djokovic cannot do in 2021, but he was much less confident and clear-headed in the big moments and in slam finals. 2021 Djokovic would never throw away a slam SF against Nishikori, for example, or melt down in a final he was dominating on hard court like in the 2013 US Open.

If you watch the 2020 RG final where Nadal doesn't miss a return for 2 sets and crushes every short ball, it's clear that (on top being the GOAT claycourter generally speaking) his past success at RG makes it easier than ever for him to reach his best level and harder than ever for the opponent to believe he can beat him.

It was the same in the 2021 AO final -- you can see that Djokovic is empowered by the ridiculous record he's accumulated at the AO.

Even Federer has clearly benefitted from the experience he's accumulated -- look at how he played Nadal in 2008-2012 and how regularly he lost his composure (despite showing off ridiculous shot-making) and compare how clear-headed and efficient he is when beating Nadal at Wimbledon 2019 SF (Nadal obviously a different player by this point, but still).
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
Big3 in Slam finals against the field

before turning 30 --> 23-6 (79.3%)
since turning 30 --> 12-0 (100.0%)

They significantly improved their winning rate.
It's over. You convinced any objective-analytical user.

To claim that they improved their stats because the competition got weaker is an excuse to avoid refutation. Lew II offers stats and a scientific-oriented approach to this matter. Federer fans are bringing a pseudoscientific approach.

Question for Federer fans: What evidence can convince you that the Big 3 are playing better in their 30s? If your answer is "nothing", then you are being pseudoscientific. Science always leaves an open door for the refutation of any theory.
 
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Towny

Hall of Fame
It's over. You convinced any objective-analytical user.

To claim "they improved their stats" because the competition got weaker is an excuse to avoid refutation. Lew II offers stats and a scientific-oriented approach to this matter. Federer fans are bringing a pseudoscientific approach.

Question for Federer fans: What evidence can convince you that the Big 3 are playing better in their 30s? If your answer is "nothing", then you are being pseudoscientific. Science always leaves an open door for the refutation of any theory.
To be honest Sport, even using the OPs given metric, there's clear evidence to the contrary that Federer is playing his best tennis in his 30s:

Record in SF/F in slams against non-Big 3
20s - 33-2 (94.3%)
30s - 9-3 (75%)

Ignoring the other two Big 3 players for a second (who both have better records in this metric in their 30s than 20s), would you grant the evidence that OP is using is clear that Federer was better in his 20s than his 30s?
 

CYGS

Legend
To be honest Sport, even using the OPs given metric, there's clear evidence to the contrary that Federer is playing his best tennis in his 30s:

Record in SF/F in slams against non-Big 3
20s - 33-2 (94.3%)
30s - 9-3 (75%)

Ignoring the other two Big 3 players for a second (who both have better records in this metric in their 30s than 20s), would you grant the evidence that OP is using is clear that Federer was better in his 20s than his 30s?
That just shows a weaker field when Fed was in his 20s.
 

Towny

Hall of Fame
That just shows a weaker field when Fed was in his 20s.
I was deliberately avoiding that argument in my response to Sport based on this:
To claim "they improved their stats" because the competition got weaker is an excuse to avoid refutation.
However, I agree with you, it's about weak competition. Note that we're excluding the Big 3 from this. Do you honestly believe that Agassi, Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Murray, Del Potro, Tsonga and Berdych are weaker competition than Medvedev, Thiem, Zverev, Schwartzman and Tsitsipas? The current field outside of Djokodal is weak at present. Clear as day
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
To be honest Sport, even using the OPs given metric, there's clear evidence to the contrary that Federer is playing his best tennis in his 30s:

Record in SF/F in slams against non-Big 3
20s - 33-2 (94.3%)
30s - 9-3 (75%)

Ignoring the other two Big 3 players for a second (who both have better records in this metric in their 30s than 20s), would you grant the evidence that OP is using is clear that Federer was better in his 20s than his 30s?
According to this line of evidence that you offer, Federer did play better in his 20s. I'm open to admit it, provided that the stats are conclusive. It is also a possibility that Nadal and Djokovic played better in their 30s, while Federer played better in his 20s. Why not? Nadal and Djokovic have probably improved their shot-making, even though I admit I need some stats to back this claim. I'm not a friend of the subjective "eye test".
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
Weaker your opposition more perfect your dominance looks.

Next gen should use less or twitter/instagram and be more focused on Tennis with a killer instinct to dislike the big 3 and not rest until they are outside the 10.
Hence 2004-07 when Fed looked like a god - because he was stepping on ANTS
 
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PETEhammer

Guest
ANTS kicked out Sampras from tennis ( Safin beat him both at the AO and the USO), Hewitt also beat him at the USO, I guess they were not ants for pete ??
3-4 and 4-6 pal, including wins at majors. Fed was 10-23 against his only real rival until 2017
 

MadariKatu

Hall of Fame
It's over. You convinced any objective-analytical user.

To claim that they improved their stats because the competition got weaker is an excuse to avoid refutation. Lew II offers stats and a scientific-oriented approach to this matter. Federer fans are bringing a pseudoscientific approach.

Question for Federer fans: What evidence can convince you that the Big 3 are playing better in their 30s? If your answer is "nothing", then you are being pseudoscientific. Science always leaves an open door for the refutation of any theory.
That implies that "better playing" equals to more success, but doesn't mean it's true. It can also mean that your opponent is playing worse, for instance. It can mean tons of things. If taking only that statistical approach, you could argue that Nadal played better in the 2017 USO than in the 2012 AO, because he won the former (losing very few sets) and lost the latter.

Eye test is not objective, but I guess you can't be regarding level of play. There are way too many variables one should account for to be minimally close to anything than can be very arguably called objective in that regard.
 

tudwell

G.O.A.T.
This disparity is really just evidence that Stan and Murray disappeared. They’re responsible for 5 of the 6 slam final losses the Big 3 sustained in their 20s. Djokovic was the most vulnerable, losing a combined 4 slam finals to them. He hasn’t met either one in a slam final in his 30s because they’re just physically shot. And hell, we know Wawrinka is still dangerous as he beat Djokovic (an injured one, but still – if this last Australian is evidence of anything it’s that it still takes a great performance to down an ailing Djokovic). He’s just not healthy enough to make slam finals anymore.

These two dangerous players disappeared and no one has filled the void. Hence the 12-0.

(Which is still a very impressive stat, just no evidence that the Big 3 are better than they were in their 20s.)
 

MadariKatu

Hall of Fame
Lew probably thinks Djoko peaked in 2020. Unbeaten until October (as his fans claim). So peak Djokovic got bagelled by Nadal in a slam final.
No, he wasn't peaking in the final, that is so obvious. Can't you see? He peaked right until the final. After the semifinal he was clearly past his peak/prime. That's why he also didn't get to the final in the WTF. He started peaking again this year though
 

Crazy Finn

Hall of Fame
Stats and numbers always need context to be truly meaningful. I feel like tennis statistics is far behind most of the other majors sports in terms of analysis and context. However, for now, we have what we have.

The OP stats show that the Big 3 were more successful in their 30's. There are a couple of ways to interpret this, as we see by the posts on this thread.

- The Big 3 are better players in their 30's.
- The competition the Big 3 were playing in their 30's is/was weaker.

Athletically and physically, it's been well shown that players age and decline starting in their 30's. This is fairly conclusive. It used to be said that athletes - at least in baseball - used to peak between 25-29, mostly because it was the converging of the players physical skills still being good and having the major league experience to be successful. Most rookie baseball players struggle to varying degrees because of the jump in competition. There are exceptions to this, naturally. Physically, most athletes are in their prime from the very late teens to their mid twenties. I've seen various studies about this, but this seems to be the consensus - something from 19-26 or 27, roughly. Obviously, there's a fair amount of individual variation on this as some 19 year olds are far more developed than others.

Now, we have modern training methods and nutrition and ... honestly, medicine that is extending and changing the landscape of the age of athletes. Before, you played hard as a young athlete and usually by the time you were 26 or 27, it's not unlikely you'd have an injury that would have limited you going forward. However, treatment for many, many injuries is far better than it's ever been and athletes recover better and faster than before. It's allowing older athletes to maintain their abilities to a far greater degree than previously, though - of course - there is some variability to this.

Something people overlook is the benefits of cumulative experience and victories for the Big 3. They are now better than ever at elevating for finals, especially at their favourite tournaments. Djokovic spoke about this after beating Thiem in the 2020 AO final, that he felt his experience was a big advantage.

Djokovic in 2012-2014 was capable of things that Djokovic cannot do in 2021, but he was much less confident and clear-headed in the big moments and in slam finals. 2021 Djokovic would never throw away a slam SF against Nishikori, for example, or melt down in a final he was dominating on hard court like in the 2013 US Open.

If you watch the 2020 RG final where Nadal doesn't miss a return for 2 sets and crushes every short ball, it's clear that (on top being the GOAT claycourter generally speaking) his past success at RG makes it easier than ever for him to reach his best level and harder than ever for the opponent to believe he can beat him.

It was the same in the 2021 AO final -- you can see that Djokovic is empowered by the ridiculous record he's accumulated at the AO.

Even Federer has clearly benefitted from the experience he's accumulated -- look at how he played Nadal in 2008-2012 and how regularly he lost his composure (despite showing off ridiculous shot-making) and compare how clear-headed and efficient he is when beating Nadal at Wimbledon 2019 SF (Nadal obviously a different player by this point, but still).

This is the post of the thread, as far as I'm concerned.

Before, athletes would peak physically, be successful, start to decline physically, and try to use their experience to try to offset their physical decline to still have good results. Sometimes, players would adapt their game to their new circumstances, but usually it was relying on just having "been there, done that" to give them a leg up on, possibly less experienced opponents. What we see in the Big 3, is a further extension and expansion of this. With better training, nutrition, better medicine to help recovery from injuries, these 3 have not extended their physical primes, but they have blunted their physical decline. Not only that, they've actually improved parts of their game, something we rarely see in older players. Add that to the wealth of experience they've accumulated in their decade and a half on tour, a unprecedented length of high level play - and it makes for a situation that we haven't really seen before in tennis.

Back to the OP and the statistics about the Big 3 playing their best in their 30's. Statistics always need context. The stat only people dismiss the "eye test" crowd who dismiss statistics. The reality is, we need better statistics - but regardless the "eye test" is subjective, BUT also necessary to apply to the statistics to give them context. Between the two poles of:

- The Big 3 are better players in their 30's.
- The competition the Big 3 were playing in their 30's is/was weaker.

The reality is that the truth is that both of these are probably true in varying ways and degrees.

The Big 3 have declined physically - less than previous great players, but still, they have. However, they are smarter, more experienced players now, that is not insignificant and are actually better in certain parts of their game. It's hard to quantify the strength of their competition - but at the very least, the last two generations of competition haven't been very successful and have been largely inconsistent in making slam quarterfinals, let alone challenging the Big 3 in the latter stages of slams. Obviously, some of that is due to the presence of the Big 3, but frankly, they are only 3 players in the field and often don't come into play until the later stages of tournaments for the higher seeds and they've generally struggled regardless. These statistics, however limited, seem to suggest that the field of competition for some time hasn't been as strong as was in the past. It's just difficult to know how much weight to give to each of these factors for the current state of the ATP tour for the last decade or so.
 

MeatTornado

Talk Tennis Guru
It's over. You convinced any objective-analytical user.

To claim that they improved their stats because the competition got weaker is an excuse to avoid refutation. Lew II offers stats and a scientific-oriented approach to this matter. Federer fans are bringing a pseudoscientific approach.

Question for Federer fans: What evidence can convince you that the Big 3 are playing better in their 30s? If your answer is "nothing", then you are being pseudoscientific. Science always leaves an open door for the refutation of any theory.
Pretty clear statistical evidence if you look at more than 4 tournaments a year.
 

SonnyT

Legend
Nadal and Djokovic have clearly declined. They cannot now put in a battle like '11 USO and '12 AO anymore!

Their last two Slam battles ('19 AO and '20 RG) were duds!
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Something people overlook is the benefits of cumulative experience and victories for the Big 3. They are now better than ever at elevating for finals, especially at their favourite tournaments. Djokovic spoke about this after beating Thiem in the 2020 AO final, that he felt his experience was a big advantage.

Djokovic in 2012-2014 was capable of things that Djokovic cannot do in 2021, but he was much less confident and clear-headed in the big moments and in slam finals. 2021 Djokovic would never throw away a slam SF against Nishikori, for example, or melt down in a final he was dominating on hard court like in the 2013 US Open.

If you watch the 2020 RG final where Nadal doesn't miss a return for 2 sets and crushes every short ball, it's clear that (on top being the GOAT claycourter generally speaking) his past success at RG makes it easier than ever for him to reach his best level and harder than ever for the opponent to believe he can beat him.

It was the same in the 2021 AO final -- you can see that Djokovic is empowered by the ridiculous record he's accumulated at the AO.

Even Federer has clearly benefitted from the experience he's accumulated -- look at how he played Nadal in 2008-2012 and how regularly he lost his composure (despite showing off ridiculous shot-making) and compare how clear-headed and efficient he is when beating Nadal at Wimbledon 2019 SF (Nadal obviously a different player by this point, but still).

experience and confidence are overrated. the heavyweight champ loses his swag the moment he gets knocked the **** out by a younger, hungrier, better fighter
 

RelentlessAttack

Hall of Fame
Nadal and Djokovic have clearly declined. They cannot now put in a battle like '11 USO and '12 AO anymore!

Their last two Slam battles ('19 AO and '20 RG) were duds!

All of the big 3 have become more dependent on their favored surfaces and conditions over time. Still strong on their own turf but not strong enough to go burn down the other guy’s fortress
 

Jason Swerve

Hall of Fame
This is more an indictment of the weakness of the field tbh. Plus you missed Federer's Wimbledon SF loss to Raonic in 2016.

No doubt the Big 3 have played some great tennis in their 30s, but the field clearly has weakened as Wawrinka, Murray, Berdych, Tsonga etc. have got older and the Next Gen have not been able to match, let alone surpass that level
I'm siding with the bold. Even if they 'peaked' late and dominated that way, it just goes to show the rest of the tour's various 'peaks' are worth nothing. It's rubbish when only three peaks are worth mentioning in almost 20 years, out of a thousand players. It's nothing but rubbish.
 

King No1e

G.O.A.T.
This is more an indictment of the weakness of the field tbh. Plus you missed Federer's Wimbledon SF loss to Raonic in 2016.

No doubt the Big 3 have played some great tennis in their 30s, but the field clearly has weakened as Wawrinka, Murray, Berdych, Tsonga etc. have got older and the Next Gen have not been able to match, let alone surpass that level
This. Even Ferrer, Berdych and Tsonga were far more consistent than this gen. For them, their stumbling block was clearly the big 4. The main thing stopping this gen from winning Slams is themselves.
 

Sport

G.O.A.T.
I'm siding with the bold. Even if they 'peaked' late and dominated that way, it just goes to show the rest of the tour's various 'peaks' are worth nothing. It's rubbish when only three peaks are worth mentioning in almost 20 years, out of a thousand players. It's nothing but rubbish.
It is unrealistic to expect each generation to produce players with the Big 3 calibre or talent. They are more than mere tennis players: they are tennis geniuses. We are witnessing the 3 best tennis players ever battling in the same epoch. Players with the Big 3 talent emerge once in a millenial, in the same sense that composers such as Beethoven, Mozart or Bach emerge once in a millenial, not every 5 or 10 years. Another example: Socrates, Plato and Aristotle were alive over 2 millenial ago, yet the world never witnessed any philosopher comparably as great till Immanuel Kant publsihed the Kritik der Reinen Vernunft (1781). 2 millenial were necessary to produce another philosophical genius of the same order.

ATGs from other eras could have failed to become ATGs in the Big 3 era (roughly 2003-2021). Maybe Becker or Wilander would have had a Murray-like or Wawrinka-like career playing against the Big 3. Maybe they would be even Slamless. We will never know. The point is that it is unfair to compare other eras with the Big 3 era. Other eras produced more ATGs precisely because no one was good enough to dominate the field like the Big 3, nor did anyone from previous eras display the Big 3 talent. The only exception could be Borg, but we will never know because he retired early and it will remain as a "what if?" situation.
 
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