Big3 want to be the BOAT, not the GOAT

ABCD said:
Logic is self-assessment of a player. If Djokovic says that he is better, then he is better. During USO in 2018 Djokovic said that he played as well as ever and, for me, that is his best version. BTW, when he said that, he also said that the best hard court version of Federer he ever played against was 2015 USO version.
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This is absolute BS. You know it, I know it, Djokovic himself knows it that USO 2018 was not even close to his 2011/15 peak level. 2018ovic would have been destroyed by the Novak of 2015. You know it.
 
Is OP serious? Federer has stated on multiple occasions that his 2 most important and meaningful slam wins are Wimbledon 2003 and RG 2009, neither won against Djokovic or Nadal. Just LOL at the idea that Federer would swap out 10 slams to get back 5
 
Towny said:
Is OP serious? Federer has stated on multiple occasions that his 2 most important and meaningful slam wins are Wimbledon 2003 and RG 2009, neither won against Djokovic or Nadal. Just LOL at the idea that Federer would swap out 10 slams to get back 5
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He couldn't choose recent slam wins over Big3 because there wasn't any :p
 
Lew II said:
He would give away 10 slams of 2003-07 for 5 slams won in the last years over Djokovic and Nadal.
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Not at all true. A slam win is a slam win. You can poo poo it all you want, but they all count the same.

But yes, they are fighting to be considered greater than the other two at this point. But it is not "boat" or "goat," but it is "tiger" if you buy into these labels.
 
Lew II said:
He couldn't choose recent slam wins over Big3 because there wasn't any :p
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He's beaten one of Djokovic and Nadal 7 times to win a slam. He didn't choose any of them. The only one that he has said might be up there is the AO 2017 and that's more for the fact that he hadn't won a slam for nearly 5 years. He could've picked Wimbledon 2007 as NatF said, or certainly Wimbledon 2012. But he didn't. Your OP is baseless
 
Towny said:
He's beaten one of Djokovic and Nadal 7 times to win a slam. He didn't choose any of them. The only one that he has said might be up there is the AO 2017 and that's more for the fact that he hadn't won a slam for nearly 5 years. He could've picked Wimbledon 2007 as NatF said, or certainly Wimbledon 2012. But he didn't. Your OP is baseless
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He has won only 1 slam in the last 7 years by beating Djokovic or Nadal. Since then he has stated multiple times that he's playing his best tennis ever.

Anyway WI 03 and RG 09 were his first slam and his only RG, of course they're special too.
 
ABCD said:
My opinion is that all 3 gradually improved over time with some ups/downs. As an example, I believe that today, when healthy, all 3 are better players than they were in 2011. However, they are the only ones that can assess themselves properly (as they know how they feel inside). Typically, people confuse level of performance with outcome of performance. I know that I am today better player than ever, but I am losing more as I play better players now than I played then.
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This is not a popular opinion, but I agree. However, the one thing they all had when young was the ability to recover fast. and that factor can now come into play in any match and at any point in a match. Lendl recently said that at some point he looked at matches from a couple years earlier than the time he was then playing and realized either he or Mac could easily beat their young selves. It was the same. They were struggling to evolve their games.

This struggle to evolve is still going on right now, and it's always the same. Aging champions attempt to stay on top using smarter tactics and by improving strokes. It's always a race again Father Time. Father Time always wins. It just takes Father Time longer now.
 
Lew II said:
I think the Big3 and basically all tennis experts know that there is really no GOAT and there will never be. There is a list of players who all were much superior to their contemporaries, and that's it. Tilden, Laver, Budge, Gonzales, Sampras, Borg, Big3... They're all GOATs.

What is really pushing Big3 is proving to be a better player than the other two. That's why for example Federer says he's playing his best tennis in his last years. He doesn't really care much about his slams won over Roddick/Hewitt, clearly limited players. He would give away 10 slams of 2003-07 for 5 slams won in the last years over Djokovic and Nadal.

After all, most of you are tennis players. What would you prefer deep inside? Be the best tennis player, or be the one who won the most?

Big3 reached a level that could basically never be surpassed again. Being the best among them would maybe mean be the best ever. Of present, past and future times.
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Mugray is 'limited' and Djokovic won like 6 slams over him.

From 2014-2020 Djokovic has won 10 weak era slams.
 
Lew II said:
He has won only 1 slam in the last 7 years by beating Djokovic or Nadal. Since then he has stated multiple times that he's playing his best tennis ever.

Anyway WI 03 and RG 09 were his first slam and his only RG, of course they're special too.
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He said he was at his peak in 2013 too, a notoriously bad season for Federer.

Like usual you post junk. Accept Djokovic is a weak era winner.
 
Lew II said:
Today's Millman is better than 15 years' ago equally ranked player.

There's now a bigger threat in every round. A day off and you're out.
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No, he's not. Millman sucks. Don't even start to argue a muppet like that would win majors in 2004.

Djokovic is just a weak era winner who beats mid to late 30s Federer and Andy Mugray for most his slams. 2014-2020 is 100x worse than 2004-2007.
 
Frank Bannister said:
Nadal doesn't have the record yet.

I'd be careful if I were you. He nearly had one of the all time greatest chokes ever in the final vs Medvedev. It won't get any easier for him from here. The pressure is on.
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Unless Nadal is injured he will definitely win FO next year. The gap on clay between Nadal and the rest is wider than ever.

Knowing Nadal and his penchant for breaking trends next year he breaks the US Open hoodoo of defending there. And this time next year he has the record. At worse he will have equalled it.
 
Lastmanstanding said:
Unless Nadal is injured he will definitely win FO next year. The gap on clay between Nadal and the rest is wider than ever.

Knowing Nadal and his penchant for breaking trends next year he breaks the US Open hoodoo of defending there. And this time next year he has the record. At worse he will have equalled it.
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I seriously doubt Nadal ever wins the U.S. Open again. The French Open, yeah unless he's injured probably. Nadal will be 34 years old though. Nothing is guaranteed at that age.
 
Frank Bannister said:
I seriously doubt Nadal ever wins the U.S. Open again. The French Open, yeah unless he's injured probably. Nadal will be 34 years old though. Nothing is guaranteed at that age.
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Nadal is almost unbeatable at Us Open when fit. Remember he should have beat Medvedev in straight sets and he this years form player on HC. I cant see beyond Nadal and Djokovic at the Majors for another 18 months. Medvedev im sceptical about. Tsitsipas has declined it seems, same with Zverev and Thiem is looking a bit limited.

Federer will struggle to put that Wimbledon defeat behind him. Who else is there?
 
Lastmanstanding said:
Nadal is almost unbeatable at Us Open when fit. Remember he should have beat Medvedev in straight sets and he this years form player on HC. I cant see beyond Nadal and Djokovic at the Majors for another 18 months. Medvedev im sceptical about. Tsitsipas has declined it seems, same with Zverev and Thiem is looking a bit limited.

Federer will struggle to put that Wimbledon defeat behind him. Who else is there?
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I don't believe any of the players you named have declined. They've struggled or had bad periods and loss of form. Tsits played too much at one point imo and never got over losing to Stan at the French Open. He should be fine. Thiem also poor scheduling and illness. Zverev.... Well you could be right about him. Medvedev should be here to stay if he keeps his body intact. Honestly, I think Nadal will be a bigger threat at Wimbledon than the HC majors in the future. He had easy draws this year that allowed him to waltz to the finals at Aussie and US.
 
This is all why if Nadal and Federer both retired at the end of this year,Djokovic would struggle to win anything big again IMO. He won't have the other 2 to inspire him to new heights,very hard to be the chased at 32/33...
 
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Midaso240 said:
This is all why if Nadal and Federer both retired at the end of this year,Djokovic would struggle to win anything big again IMO. He won't have the other 2 to inspire him to new heights,very hard to be the chased at 32/33...
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I doubt it, he's greedy and knows what he's capable of.
 
Sabratha said:
No, he's not. Millman sucks. Don't even start to argue a muppet like that would win majors in 2004.

Djokovic is just a weak era winner who beats mid to late 30s Federer and Andy Mugray for most his slams. 2014-2020 is 100x worse than 2004-2007.
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For some reason i stopped getting pop ups i just saw this now LOL.
 
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