Big3's most dominant matches over top10s were mostly from the last 7 years

[Lew II]

Big3's most dominant matches over top10 excluding matches vs each other

69.7% points won Federer vs Del Potro AO 2009
69.2% Federer vs Murray YEC 2014
68.8% Federer vs Gaudio YEC 2005
68.8% Djokovic vs Thiem Rome 2017
68.0% Djokovic vs Cilic UO 2015
67.5% Djokovic vs Ferrer AO 2013
67.4% Nadal vs Thiem MonteCarlo 2018
67.1% Nadal vs Gaudio MonteCarlo 2005
67.1% Djokovic vs Nalbandian Queen's 2008
67.1% Djokovic vs Nishikori AO 2019
66.7% Federer vs Soderling Shanghai 2010
66.7% Djokovic vs Wawrinka YEC 2014
66.3% Djokovic vs Murray Shanghai 2015
65.9% Djokovic vs Berrettini YEC 2019
65.9% Djokovic vs Tsonga IW 2013
65.9% Djokovic vs Gasquet Canada 2013
65.9% Nadal vs Murray RG 2014
65.5% Djokovic vs Berdych Bejing 2014
65.2% Djokovic vs Nishikori YEC 2015
65.1% Djokovic vs Cilic YEC 2014
65.0% Federer vs Gasquet Miami 2014
64.8% Federer vs Roddick AO 2007
64.8% Nadal vs Ferrer Acapulco 2013
64.6% Nadal vs Coria MonteCarlo 2006
64.3% Djokovic vs Tsitsipas Paris 2019
63.7% Djokovic vs Zverev Shanghai 2018
63.6% Djokovic vs Nishikori YEC 2016
63.4% Nadal vs Ferrer RG 2012
63.4% Djokovic vs Berdych YEC 2014
62.9% Federer vs Berdych IW 2015
62.9% Federer vs Goffin Basel 2017
62.7% Nadal vs Goffin Barcelona 2018
62.6% Djokovic vs Anderson YEC 2018
62.5% Federer vs Nalbandian YEC 2006
62.5% Djokovic vs Soderling Rome 2011
62.5% Djokovic vs Nishikori Paris 2014
62.5% Federer vs Isner Miami 2019

Listed by year:

2003 -
2004 -
2005 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 1
2008 - 1
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011 - 1
2012 - 1
2013 - 4
2014 - 8
2015 - 4
2016 - 1
2017 - 2
2018 - 3
2019 - 4

2003-12 --> 10 (1 per year)
2013-19 --> 26 (3.7 per year)

 

[Lew II]

This destroys the narrative that Big3 declined after 2012 for me.

 

[blablavla]

This destroys the narrative that Big3 declined after 2012 for me.

2020 - 7 = 2013

How do the years 2005, 2008, 2009 fit into the title of the thread?

 

[blablavla]

This destroys the narrative that 2003 - 2007 was weak era.

fixed it for you

 

[junior74]

Vast void.
Tennis is a weak sport whose heir is a vlogger who thinks he is a God rather than a tennis player with work to do.

 

[RS]

17/26 from Novak. And nobody said Novak declined after 2013 he was still in his prime. So doesn’t show much apart from how great Djokovic is.

 

[Lew II]

17/26 from Novak. And nobody said Novak declined after 2013 he was still in his prime. So doesn’t show much apart from how great Djokovic is.

People say overall Big3 declined.

 

[RS]

People say overall Big3 declined and you know it

Not in the time periods you mention for Djokovic.

They say Fedal declined in 2014- and Djokovic after 2016.....

 

[Lew II]

Not in the time periods you mention for Djokovic.

They say Fedal declined in 2014-19 and Djokovic after 2016.....

And this stat shows it's false.

 

[StrongRule]

Thanks for proving once again how much the top-10 has declined.

 

[StrongRule]

And this stat shows it's false.

No, it just shows that 2014-2019 is a weak era.

 

[RS]

And this stat shows it's false.

Yes but by a bit of a cherrypick and not by as big as a margin as Djokovic skews it to be with all his wins in periods when people say he was in his prime...

 

[ND-13]

Juvenile arguments and hypothesis

 

[King No1e]

Vast void.
Tennis is a weak sport whose heir is a vlogger who thinks he is a God rather than a tennis player with work to do.

That "greek god" thing was definitely scripted. Even Tsitsipas wouldn't actually do something that cringe on his own

 

[JaoSousa]

Woah, I think Lew may have just destroyed himself. Big 3 not beating others convincingly must mean that the others (the field) were really good in the 2003-2012 period. They could challenge the Big 3 consistently.

 

[Phoenix1983]

Woah, I think Lew may have just destroyed himself. Big 3 not beating others convincingly must mean that the others (the field) were really good in the 2003-2012 period. They could challenge the Big 3 consistently.

He keeps destroying himself with every thread he posts like this, showing that the ageing Big 3 are having it easier against their top 10 foes than they ever had it before.

 

[DSH]

 

[JaoSousa]

He keeps destroying himself with every thread he posts like this, showing that the ageing Big 3 are having it easier against their top 10 foes than they ever had it before.

I don´t think this is necessarily the case, but in general, if he wants to prove that 2003-2012 was weaker, then this isn´t a smart way to do so.

 

[yokied]

I don't think I've seen someone so enthusiastic about numbers yet so wrong about how to interpret them. He makes @Meles look like a stone cold genius!

 

[Meles]

I don't think I've seen someone so enthusiastic about numbers yet so wrong about how to interpret them. He makes @Meles look like a stone cold genius!

Great respect to the OP, but we play in different arenas. Not sure what he does qualifies as hard core statistics, but heh were not duplicating efforts.

Hmmm. Are you still a rabid antiThiemite? You've managed to kill everyone else but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.

 

[metsman]

antiThiemite?

It's been a while since you've had a gem like this.

 

[yokied]

Hmmm. Are you still a rabid antiThiemite? You've managed to kill everyone else but like a poor marksman, you keep missing the target.

I thought you remembered? I was hugely optimistic about Tim through '17 and into '18. We shared some good Thiem times then. There's a lot of posts and theories about Thiem but the key matchup is Rafa. Until he beats Nadal in a big tournament and goes on to win the title, he's going nowhere.

He was meant to be the one to put the Nadal down and return the OHBH to its rightful place at the top of the mountain. RG18 really did a lot of mental damage IMHO, with USO18 being the final nail in the coffin. '19 and '20 just confirmed the stupid that I had feared all along. Now he's just been too stupid for too long.

Anyway, all the best bud and try to stay sane regardless of where this season goes, or doesn't.

 

[Meles]

I thought you remembered? I was hugely optimistic about Tim through '17 and into '18. We shared some good Thiem times then. There's a lot of posts and theories about Thiem but the key matchup is Rafa. Until he beats Nadal in a big tournament and goes on to win the title, he's going nowhere.

He was meant to be the one to put the Nadal down and return the OHBH to its rightful place at the top of the mountain. RG18 really did a lot of mental damage IMHO, with USO18 being the final nail in the coffin. '19 and '20 just confirmed the stupid that I had feared all along. Now he's just been too stupid for too long.

Anyway, all the best bud and try to stay sane regardless of where this season goes, or doesn't.

 

[Meles]

It's been a while since you've had a gem like this.

 

[MusterCoriaKuerten]

Top-10 in this era means gutless players like Ferrer,Berdych,raonic,nishikori.

 

[Lew II]

Top-10 in this era means gutless players like Ferrer,Berdych,raonic,nishikori.

Yeah we miss the good old times with Ljubicic, Blake and Robredo

 

[MusterCoriaKuerten]

Yeah we miss the good old times with Ljubicic, Blake and Robredo

Resorting to whataboutery is never a strong argument for making your point.

And since those players you named never lost badly against big-3 or whatever that makes their cases statistically stronger

 

[blablavla]

Resorting to whataboutery is never a strong argument for making your point.

And since those players you named never lost badly against big-3 or whatever that makes their cases statistically stronger

It's simply yet another case where Lew tried to show how blessed we are to witness the mightiest tennis player humanity has ever known, but managed to prove that Novak is "vulturing" in an incredibly weak era, without any competition from youngsters.

 

[abmk]

Big3's most dominant matches over top10 excluding matches vs each other

69.7% points won Federer vs Del Potro AO 2009
69.2% Federer vs Murray YEC 2014
68.8% Federer vs Gaudio YEC 2005
68.8% Djokovic vs Thiem Rome 2017
68.0% Djokovic vs Cilic UO 2015
67.5% Djokovic vs Ferrer AO 2013
67.4% Nadal vs Thiem MonteCarlo 2018
67.1% Nadal vs Gaudio MonteCarlo 2005
67.1% Djokovic vs Nalbandian Queen's 2008
67.1% Djokovic vs Nishikori AO 2019
66.7% Federer vs Soderling Shanghai 2010
66.7% Djokovic vs Wawrinka YEC 2014
66.3% Djokovic vs Murray Shanghai 2015
65.9% Djokovic vs Berrettini YEC 2019
65.9% Djokovic vs Tsonga IW 2013
65.9% Djokovic vs Gasquet Canada 2013
65.9% Nadal vs Murray RG 2014
65.5% Djokovic vs Berdych Bejing 2014
65.2% Djokovic vs Nishikori YEC 2015
65.1% Djokovic vs Cilic YEC 2014
65.0% Federer vs Gasquet Miami 2014
64.8% Federer vs Roddick AO 2007
64.8% Nadal vs Ferrer Acapulco 2013
64.6% Nadal vs Coria MonteCarlo 2006
64.3% Djokovic vs Tsitsipas Paris 2019
63.7% Djokovic vs Zverev Shanghai 2018
63.6% Djokovic vs Nishikori YEC 2016
63.4% Nadal vs Ferrer RG 2012
63.4% Djokovic vs Berdych YEC 2014
62.9% Federer vs Berdych IW 2015
62.9% Federer vs Goffin Basel 2017
62.7% Nadal vs Goffin Barcelona 2018
62.6% Djokovic vs Anderson YEC 2018
62.5% Federer vs Nalbandian YEC 2006
62.5% Djokovic vs Soderling Rome 2011
62.5% Djokovic vs Nishikori Paris 2014
62.5% Federer vs Isner Miami 2019

Listed by year:

2003 -
2004 -
2005 - 2
2006 - 2
2007 - 1
2008 - 1
2009 - 1
2010 - 1
2011 - 1
2012 - 1
2013 - 4
2014 - 8
2015 - 4
2016 - 1
2017 - 2
2018 - 3
2019 - 4

2003-12 --> 10 (1 per year)
2013-19 --> 26 (3.7 per year)

weak top 10 in last 7 years confirmed without a shadow of doubt. Thanks for the stats, Lew.