Biggest hole in a players resume?

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Dedans Penthouse said:
Not to mention the meaningless variables he attempts to galvanize his arguments with......





I've thought about that too. And I think there's some internal conflct going on inside him regarding not only Serena in particular but women in general. And to that end, TMF if you're reading this....some supportive, encouraging advice to you:

One day, your clearly latent homosexuality will finally cease to be masked by a burning hatred for women as you find yourself waking up next to some large black man, clothes strewn across the floor and a feeling of freedom and pride in your chest. On that day, you'll emerge with a fresh outlook on life. Maybe a little less of a jerk toward women, suddenly realizing that your desire to belittle and objectify them constantly simply arose from a baffling sense of an inability to find them truly desirable.

And when that day comes TMF, you'll finally realize that women were never the enemy, but rather the enemy was fear. Fear of coming out to an intolerant family, to a fast paced world of business, to friends who you knew would be less than understanding, and even to yourself. On that day, though, you'll stop caring. You'll embrace the 'wang' and in turn, yourself.

One day, you'll finally be free to be the open gay man who lurks inside, not the giant flaming queen you currently appear to be. That'll be a good day for TMF, and I hope for your sake that day comes soon.

Until then, stay thirsty my friend.
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What a post! :D
 
Tennis_Hands said:
Well, that is why Nadal has more Majors than Nole, isn't it?

The thing is that what you are saying cannot be taken as a general rule, because Djokovic is clearly the better player at some venues and that cannot be attributed to only certain years. It is more complicated than that, while Nadal has pretty much made his reputation and dominance at the same venues.

You are making the mistake of judging their respective careers to date on Nadal's terms and that is the problem.

EDIT: There is one more flaw in your argument. You are basically saying that they would be at the same level on all courts if they are to play their best tennis (by saying that there cannot be an advantage if they are basically in optimal prime condition). I disagree with this as a general premise, regardless of the fact that they have very similar styles.
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Djokovic is clearly the better player at some venues(AO,Wimbledon) and Nadal is clearly better at some venues(FO,USO). The reason I brought up Novak's first major is because he was clearly in his prime. People keep saying that Novak entered his prime in 2011 and Nadal never figured out how to beat him. I disagree with that. Novak was in his prime starting in 07, and went through struggles with his game in 09-10. He had Nadal's number in 2011, but Nadal made adjustments and turned things around. Since then the H2H has been pretty even. Nadal 3 Djoko 1 2012. Nadal 3 Djoko 3 2013. Nadal 1 Djoko 1 2014. Nadal 0 Djoko 2 2015. That's 7 wins a piecefor both guys. Nadal peaked sooner in 05, but Djkovic was only a few years behind in 08. His game regressed in 09-10, and he was at his absolute peak in 2011. People like to focus too much on 2011, and leave out everything before that.
 
Dedans Penthouse said:
Not to mention the meaningless variables he attempts to galvanize his arguments with......
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Quite meaningless, but you know members like that are fueled by such teary-eyed desperation to place a crown of dubious construction on a certain player's head. Nevermind that the player will never be a GOAT suffering from the biggest missing piece in history.
 
Not sure if it's been mentioned as can't be bothered scrolling but would people consider a hole in Fed's CV being that he doesn't hold the outright record for Wimbledon titles?
 
THUNDERVOLLEY said:
Quite meaningless, but you know members like that are fueled by such teary-eyed desperation to place a crown of dubious construction on a certain player's head. Nevermind that the player will never be a GOAT suffering from the biggest missing piece in history.
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Don't forget the h2h. Don't forget the h2h.

:D
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
About the matches I mentioned:

Federer was favourite in Miami 2004, Miami 2005, Dubai 2006, Australian open 2009, Australian open 2012: 2 won, 3 lost
Nadal was favourite in Miami 2011, Australian open 2014: 2 won, 0 lost.

Only at the World tour finals, Federer managed to win everytime he was the favourite and lost the only match he was the underdog (2013)
(Indian wells nothing to see here, Nadal was slight favourite when he lost in 2012, Federer was slight favourite when he lost in 2013).

On grass, he was the favourite of the match he lost (2008),
On clay he was the favourite of French open 2005 semi final, lost... overall he won 2 times as the underdog, for 13 losses (at least one of them being favourite the 2005 match).
By the way let's not forget in 2006 on clay, Federer was supposed to have a big shot at beating Nadal in some of the matches they play, every experts believe he had a good chance.


PS: Miami 2005 I know it was in 5 and I know Nadal got robbed a point by the umpire that would have given him 3 break points (0-40) at 4-4 in the third set.
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Wasn't Fed robbed as well in Cincy 2013 on that last MP vs Rafa?
 
Well obviously for Novak it is the FO. For Muzza it is the AO. He has been in many finals there, but unfortunately for him so have Roger and Nole in particular.
 
90's Clay said:
Federer has 2 big holes. Nadal (Which is actually more like a grand canyon than a hole) and to a lesser extent Nole.
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Its nice to get over that djok hurdle today, 21-20. Its going to be tough to even the h2h with nadal as we saw.
 
Pete not winning the French, but more generally, being a bozo on clay. Still scratch my head at how such a great player couldn't at least manage to make one French Open final (never mind winning it) when far inferior ones like Mac and Edberg did.
 
mike danny said:
Wasn't Fed robbed as well in Cincy 2013 on that last MP vs Rafa?
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Meh. He chose not to challenge if I'm remembering correctly. Fed does not really enjoy playing Nadal. Whereas I think he really loves playing Novak. Fed v Djokovic is like a more intense version of Agassi Sampras. Fed Nadal is like Sampras v anyone on clay. Not pretty.
 
Novak -not winning the FO obviously

Nadal -low time at number 1

Federer-poor record vs. Nadal. And before people say "that's not a hole", just be glad Fed is so accomplished that's all I can think of
 
mike danny said:
Wasn't Fed robbed as well in Cincy 2013 on that last MP vs Rafa?
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He was, but the difference is Rafa very likely would have gone on to win it in cincy, whereas in Miami, Federer very likely would have lost. It was a major momentum changer as well as it would have given Rafa triple break point to finish Fed off after being up 2 sets 0.

I remember, at the time, even Fed fans saying it was a lucky break and sort of conceding that it turned the match around. This was said in the context of Federer yet again having trouble with Nadal who was not that well known yet. I had no rooting interest at the time and it was one of the first matches I watched as a serious and decently good tennis player myself and really understood...I was 15 or 16 at the time
 
Dave1982 said:
Not sure if it's been mentioned as can't be bothered scrolling but would people consider a hole in Fed's CV being that he doesn't hold the outright record for Wimbledon titles?
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He doesn't at any slam, but no not really I don't consider it a hole.
 
I wonder if Federer could now be able to level (or pretty much) the stats against Nadal now that Rafa isn't in a good form. It could be nice to see them playing against each other the next 2 years. But if Rafa's game doesn't step up he would probably lose before meeting Roger in the draw.
 
125downthemiddle said:
He was, but the difference is Rafa very likely would have gone on to win it in cincy, whereas in Miami, Federer very likely would have lost. It was a major momentum changer as well as it would have given Rafa triple break point to finish Fed off after being up 2 sets 0.

I remember, at the time, even Fed fans saying it was a lucky break and sort of conceding that it turned the match around. This was said in the context of Federer yet again having trouble with Nadal who was not that well known yet. I had no rooting interest at the time and it was one of the first matches I watched as a serious and decently good tennis player myself and really understood...I was 15 or 16 at the time
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There would still be no guarantee. Fed may have saved all of those BP against Rafa in Miami.
 
mike danny said:
There would still be no guarantee. Fed may have saved all of those BP against Rafa in Miami.
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He won the next 3 points in a row anyway iirc. But the pressure of the BP's would obviously be a factor - it was certainly a terrible call though and possibly decisive.
 
Federer not giving Nadal a classic match at RG.

Sampras' RG isn't really a hole in his resume. He was a fast-court player.
 
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