Biomimetic Max 200G

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
Adjusting the balance a few points is an easy fix. You can even do it without lead -
I modify racquets, and yes, it is easy with lead, fishing weights, silicone, etc.
However, to get this racquet to 8 points would require a static weight of well over 12 ounces.
My point was that with this static weight and balance, some specs (such as 11.8-11.9 with 8 points headlight) will be impossible to achieve.
 
It's interesting that a guy with a Porsche avatar wants or even needs to criticize what cars other posters drive in order to make themselves sound superior. If you could afford to drive high end vehicles then you wouldn't be concerned about others. Whatever your issues are, keep them to yourself and stick to comments about tennis....

H76
Appears to be a 928 on his avatar aswell, which means that it'll break down quite soon.
 

ProPlayer

Rookie
It's interesting that a guy with a Porsche avatar wants or even needs to criticize what cars other posters drive in order to make themselves sound superior. If you could afford to drive high end vehicles then you wouldn't be concerned about others. Whatever your issues are, keep them to yourself and stick to comments about tennis....

H76
I dont try to make my self sound superior. just cause I point out crap, don't blame the messenger.
Really now, would you take the advice of someone who VOLUNTARILY drives a challenger??? why not add a tribal armband tattoo while your at it?
 
No one should take tennis advice from someone based on the kind of car they drive -- really?

Herdsman didn't even offer any advice! Biomimetic Max 200G = homage to original Max 200G, that's it, that's all he said. Take the automotive ******* contest to the OT forum.
 
really?? tell me more, oh porsche expert! I'd take a POS 914 over any chrysler product anyday!
928's and 968's look the same.

Basically Ferdinand's idea (and may him rest in peace by the way) was "make everything look the same, no one'll notice!" Which is what Dunlop is trying to do here... (^^see? a LITTLE bit on topic!)

I want a 512BB. That's the only car able to satisfy my teenage brain. That or a purple Ferrari Daytona. Coupé or convertible, doesn't matter.
 
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li0scc0

Hall of Fame
I modify racquets, and yes, it is easy with lead, fishing weights, silicone, etc.
However, to get this racquet to 8 points would require a static weight of well over 12 ounces.
My point was that with this static weight and balance, some specs (such as 11.8-11.9 with 8 points headlight) will be impossible to achieve.
FOR EXAMPLE, right now I am selling a couple of Pacific / Fischer racquets. I was able to modify these to 329 grams (11.6), 325 swingweight, and 10 points headlight (all numbers with overgrip and dampener).

Of course to Max 200G is naturally heavier, but as mentioned, with a 318 SW I was hoping for 7-8 points headlight. In that form it would be perfect. To get to 8 points headlight, though, needs too much for static weight. Assuredly a great racquet, but will look elsewhere.
 

KFwinds

Professional
FOR EXAMPLE, right now I am selling a couple of Pacific / Fischer racquets. I was able to modify these to 329 grams (11.6), 325 swingweight, and 10 points headlight (all numbers with overgrip and dampener).

Of course to Max 200G is naturally heavier, but as mentioned, with a 318 SW I was hoping for 7-8 points headlight. In that form it would be perfect. To get to 8 points headlight, though, needs too much for static weight. Assuredly a great racquet, but will look elsewhere.
True; it would certainly be a bit north of 12oz to get that balance point. The weight and swingweight sound good to me, so I'm hoping I'll be able to deal with the stock balance of 5 points. If I'm lucky, mine will be slightly "off spec" in my favor :) (yes, I know that doesn't help if I end up buying a second frame)

I actually like a static weight of 11.7/11.8 myself, but 12oz+ doesn't usually take me long to adjust to. Heck, I'm just a 4.0 player; just about any decent stick works for me against most of the guys and gals I play against...
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
True; it would certainly be a bit north of 12oz to get that balance point. The weight and swingweight sound good to me, so I'm hoping I'll be able to deal with the stock balance of 5 points. If I'm lucky, mine will be slightly "off spec" in my favor :) (yes, I know that doesn't help if I end up buying a second frame)

I actually like a static weight of 11.7/11.8 myself, but 12oz+ doesn't usually take me long to adjust to. Heck, I'm just a 4.0 player; just about any decent stick works for me against most of the guys and gals I play against...
Great stuff! Yes, I am the same as you. Actually I prefer 12.5-13 ounces (grew up playing with a nearly 14 ounce Volkl in the late 80's) but my shoulder doesn't prefer that weight.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
I was bored and messed with TW customization tool a bit. With an overgrip, which is about 5g, I was able to make the total weight at 340g with a balance of 7.5 pts hl. This mod however only works with a 1hbh.
 

KFwinds

Professional
Great stuff! Yes, I am the same as you. Actually I prefer 12.5-13 ounces (grew up playing with a nearly 14 ounce Volkl in the late 80's) but my shoulder doesn't prefer that weight.
Yep, it sounds like you and I have the same shoulder. If it weren't for that, I would fill my bag with 4D 200 Tours and never look back!
 

li0scc0

Hall of Fame
Yep, it sounds like you and I have the same shoulder. If it weren't for that, I would fill my bag with 4D 200 Tours and never look back!
How true how true! In stock form is anything more solid and stable than the 4D 200 Tour?
 
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decades

Guest
basically a bio 300 with leather and new paint and some lead above the handle. :-|
 
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decades

Guest
Unfortunately I think you are correct, what a disappointment !

i mean this is exactly what I would do to a stock bio 300. maybe it's okay to have dunlop do the work for you for $10 extra?
 

max200G

Rookie
i mean this is exactly what I would do to a stock bio 300. maybe it's okay to have dunlop do the work for you for $10 extra?
I would agree with you but I don't think the bio 300 plays as all that well. The Aerogel 300 I think was a much nicer playing racquet.
 
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coolblue123

Hall of Fame
rembered using the original when I was in HS. I remembered that it handled heavy pace and is stable as heck. the only thing about the new version that is worrying is the weight. does it swing like a sledgehammer?
 

miami

New User
Right now I am using Dunlop Biomimetic 300 with lead tape from 7 cross to 14 cross and Dunlop leather grip (replaced the stock synthetic), so really curious to see how my set-up compares to the Max 200G.

Anyone have an initial review on the frame?
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Right now I am using Dunlop Biomimetic 300 with lead tape from 7 cross to 14 cross and Dunlop leather grip (replaced the stock synthetic), so really curious to see how my set-up compares to the Max 200G.

Anyone have an initial review on the frame?
From what I understand, Dunlop's leather grip will add approximately 10 grams over a synthetic, roughly .3oz. So the Bio Max 200 with the standard synthetic of the regular Bio. 300, hypothetically speaking, comes in at roughly 11.5oz., by comparison. That's .6-.7oz. heavier than the stock Bio. 300. It doesn't sound like you have nearly that much at 3/9, so I'd bet this new Bio Max 200 will play even bigger than you currently have.

I hit the 300G for almost five years with 8-10 grams at 3/9, 2 layers of head tape covering the bumper, 14 grams inside the butt cap, and an overgrip. They spec'd out at 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and unknown swingweight, but I'm guessing 320ish. Therefore, I can't deny that this one is calling me home, and I'm resisting the temptation daily to preorder.

I'm very interested as well for anyone who has any other initial reviews on this one, besides those given my JGads and AO. The beauty of a Dunlop 300 is the ability to roll the ball into the court with ample spin but also the ability to step into the court and drive the ball flat with surgical precision. As long as I can do the latter, it'll probably be my next frame at some point. Without even touching it, I have a good idea of how well it will perform at net and on serve.
 

miami

New User
@Pneumated1, thank you for your reply, I had one of the racquet technicians at the Sony Ericsson Open here in Miami add about 25 grams of lead to the stock Bio. 300, and in my opinion the racquet lost an element of control when one is really accelerating the racquet head. I believe the lead I have right now adds about 6 grams (you could calculate yourself by placing from 7 cross to 14 cross). I am a former Wilson Tour 90 user (Pro Staff BLX 90 for four months, BLX 90 for 2 years, K Factor 90 for 2 years).

I am about a 4.5-5.0 NTRP player and the only shot I have struggled with is low approach shots coming into net (coming over the ball with the Bio. 300, within the service box) and bringing it down into the court (and not going long). Would never miss this shot with my Wilson 90. I am thinking the significant difference in balance is playing a role.

From what I understand, Dunlop's leather grip will add approximately 10 grams over a synthetic, roughly .3oz. So the Bio Max 200 with the standard synthetic of the regular Bio. 300, hypothetically speaking, comes in at roughly 11.5oz., by comparison. That's .6-.7oz. heavier than the stock Bio. 300. It doesn't sound like you have nearly that much at 3/9, so I'd bet this new Bio Max 200 will play even bigger than you currently have.

I hit the 300G for almost five years with 8-10 grams at 3/9, 2 layers of head tape covering the bumper, 14 grams inside the butt cap, and an overgrip. They spec'd out at 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and unknown swingweight, but I'm guessing 320ish. Therefore, I can't deny that this one is calling me home, and I'm resisting the temptation daily to preorder.

I'm very interested as well for anyone who has any other initial reviews on this one, besides those given my JGads and AO. The beauty of a Dunlop 300 is the ability to roll the ball into the court with ample spin but also the ability to step into the court and drive the ball flat with surgical precision. As long as I can do the latter, it'll probably be my next frame at some point. Without even touching it, I have a good idea of how well it will perform at net and on serve.
 
Picked up one of these today at the TW tent. Preliminary specs:

Headsize: 98
Weight (strung): 11.7
Stiffness: 66
String Pattern: 16x19
Grip: Dunlop Leather

More to follow once I get it home later today.

Edit: Pics start at the top of page 3.
Do you know how this racquet stacks up against the Prestige Pro.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
@Pneumated1, thank you for your reply, I had one of the racquet technicians at the Sony Ericsson Open here in Miami add about 25 grams of lead to the stock Bio. 300, and in my opinion the racquet lost an element of control when one is really accelerating the racquet head. I believe the lead I have right now adds about 6 grams (you could calculate yourself by placing from 7 cross to 14 cross). I am a former Wilson Tour 90 user (Pro Staff BLX 90 for four months, BLX 90 for 2 years, K Factor 90 for 2 years).

I am about a 4.5-5.0 NTRP player and the only shot I have struggled with is low approach shots coming into net (coming over the ball with the Bio. 300, within the service box) and bringing it down into the court (and not going long). Would never miss this shot with my Wilson 90. I am thinking the significant difference in balance is playing a role.
I recently demoed the Bio. 300 and replaced the stock grip with a TW leather, overgrip, 6 grams (6"X4) exactly center at 3/9, and covered the whole bumper with head tape, and I was very impressed. If I were to go to that frame, I might would add 2 grams more at 3/9, but that's it. Imo, it's the best 1hbh stick on the planet.

And that's the very shot that I'm hoping to pull off with this new Bio. Max 200, the short ball around the service line or inside. My game is very dependent upon me pulling that shot off. Some comments so far about this frame being a spin monster have me concerned.
 

Blitzball

Professional
Wait, are you guys talking about the Bio 300 non-tour stick? I'd looking for a racquet too and I also have a 1hbh and would very much like some more insight from anyone who has tried the new Max 200 and the 300
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Wait, are you guys talking about the Bio 300 non-tour stick? I'd looking for a racquet too and I also have a 1hbh and would very much like some more insight from anyone who has tried the new Max 200 and the 300
Yes, I was referring to the regular Bio. 300. The 300 Tours are low-powered control freaks that can turn into sublime scalpels with sufficient lead in the hoop and a leather or heavy grip or lots of lead under the grip. I hit a 4D 300 Tour for two years, and weighted up at least .5oz., it was sweet. I still miss that frame at times. Anyway, any Dunlop 300 is a 1hbh hitting machine; that I can guarantee. And this Bio. Max "200" is just a heavier 300 with a nostalgic moniker. We'll see how it turns out.
 
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decades

Guest
From what I understand, Dunlop's leather grip will add approximately 10 grams over a synthetic, roughly .3oz. So the Bio Max 200 with the standard synthetic of the regular Bio. 300, hypothetically speaking, comes in at roughly 11.5oz., by comparison. That's .6-.7oz. heavier than the stock Bio. 300. It doesn't sound like you have nearly that much at 3/9, so I'd bet this new Bio Max 200 will play even bigger than you currently have.

I hit the 300G for almost five years with 8-10 grams at 3/9, 2 layers of head tape covering the bumper, 14 grams inside the butt cap, and an overgrip. They spec'd out at 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and unknown swingweight, but I'm guessing 320ish. Therefore, I can't deny that this one is calling me home, and I'm resisting the temptation daily to preorder.

I'm very interested as well for anyone who has any other initial reviews on this one, besides those given my JGads and AO. The beauty of a Dunlop 300 is the ability to roll the ball into the court with ample spin but also the ability to step into the court and drive the ball flat with surgical precision. As long as I can do the latter, it'll probably be my next frame at some point. Without even touching it, I have a good idea of how well it will perform at net and on serve.
I wonder where the lead is on the new 200g. do they put some in the handle in additon to the leather and then put some in the hoop. or do they put most of the lead above the handle and below the balance point along the throat. whatever they do has to result in a stick that is HL 5 pts.
 
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Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I wonder where the lead is on the new 200g. do they put some in the handle in additon to the leather and then put some in the hoop. or do they put most of the lead above the handle and below the balance point along the throat. whatever they do has to result in a stick that is HL 5 pts.
Are you referring to the extra weight in the layup? I don't know, but my guess would be in the throat and through the hoop mostly. The leather is probably there to keep the balance close to honest (and because McEnroe hits it). Historically, the 300's are beefed up in the throat and through the shoulders, but the Bio. 300 feels distributed throughout the hoop, maybe even more in the upper hoop, but I can't say so definitively.

From some of the information that I'm getting, this Bio. Max 200 may play differently than the Bio. 300 with leather and lead. I don't know that one user will automatically like the other. You may be right in your posts above, unfortunately. We'll see what the other reviews say.
 

miami

New User
Racquet in hand folks!

I have my Max 200G and 300 both strung with Alu Power Spin at 55 lbs.

Here are the specs:

200G
1/2" HL on my Alpha Viper Balance Beam
333 g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
311 g unstrung

300
6.5/8" HL
323g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
290 / 292 g unstrung (from my other 2 300s that are brand new)

You are correct in reading, the 300 is actually more head light than the 200G despite what is indicated on the TW Specs. Also, interestingly, on the 200G frame, the unstrung balance and unstrung weight are listed in comparison to the 300 which lists strung balance and strung weight.

I will practice tomorrow at 1 p.m. and report back after the weekend.
 

miami

New User
Keep in mind my 300 has added lead tape at 3/9 and a Dunlop leather grip

Racquet in hand folks!

I have my Max 200G and 300 both strung with Alu Power Spin at 55 lbs.

Here are the specs:

200G
1/2" HL on my Alpha Viper Balance Beam
333 g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
311 g unstrung

300
6.5/8" HL
323g strung w Wilson Pro Overgrip and Dunlop Bio shock absorber
290 / 292 g unstrung (from my other 2 300s that are brand new)

You are correct in reading, the 300 is actually more head light than the 200G despite what is indicated on the TW Specs. Also, interestingly, on the 200G frame, the unstrung balance and unstrung weight are listed in comparison to the 300 which lists strung balance and strung weight.

I will practice tomorrow at 1 p.m. and report back after the weekend.
 

KFwinds

Professional
Also received mine. Guess what, folks - this is NOT from the same mold as my AG 300's (reg and 4D). Has slight indentations where the throat meets the hoop (the AG's do not) and is a bit rounder/wider in the shoulders. Not sure how this compares to the Bio 300 though, as I don't own that one. Specs are spot on as published. The leather grip is velvety soft - one of the nicer leathers I've encountered. Similar to the Prince calfskin. One other detail of note; my frame appears to measure 1/8" short of 27" unstrung. We'll see what happens once I string this baby up in the morning...hope it hits half as good as it looks!
 

KFwinds

Professional
Ok, just checked the pics of the Bio 300 and it could be the same mold. Wasn't aware that the AG's were that much different. My Maxply Mac also has the indentations at the throat. Can't wait to hit with this baby!
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
Ok, just checked the pics of the Bio 300 and it could be the same mold. Wasn't aware that the AG's were that much different. My Maxply Mac also has the indentations at the throat. Can't wait to hit with this baby!
The Aerogel and 4D's were from a different mold. The HM, Mfil, and Bio. are from the same, which should be the same as this one. Let us know what you think of the frame as soon as you can. Thanks!
 

rallyguy

New User
Agreed. I'm eagerly awaiting your reviews about this one. Hoping it has a nice feel and plays a bit softer than the 65 specified. My demo is arriving next week I hope.
 

KFwinds

Professional
Just got back from the courts. This is actually the first Biomimetic frame I have hit with, and it actually plays exactly as I expected it to in relationship to it's printed specs. It swings very smooth, and I like the way it is balanced better than the Maxply. The only thing that caught me a little by surprise was the feel. Now, you may be able to take this comment with a grain of salt since I have it strung with Klip Legend 17g at 53/50, but it was quite soft and muted - for a Dunlop. There is still very adequate (for me) feedback and ball feel, just not as raw as some other Dunlop frames I've owned (200's and 300's). Very smooth and comfy, but once again, I purposely strung it to try to get that kind of a feel. Maybe someone can tell me - do other Biomimetics have a more soft, muted feel than the AG's, M-Fils, or HM's?

Overall, the Bio Max 200g seems to be a very smooth hitting stick as a few others who have tried also mentioned. I look forward to getting it back to the court and getting to know this racquet a little better. The weight and balance seem perfect to me; the only thing I might try is a synthetic grip with some lead on the handle to compensate for the difference in weight from the leather, although the leather on this racquet is really nice - I may not bother. Seems like this one might be a keeper!
 

KFwinds

Professional
BTW, the length issue I mentioned in my earlier post was resolved after I strung it up. It just seemed odd that the hoop was slightly distorted before stringing...it's all good now :)
 

Blitzball

Professional
Thanks Pneumated 1. Yes, the Biomimetics are definitely more muted compared to all the previous versions. That's been a trend with many new racquets as of late and the new Dunlops are no exception. How good is the spin potential and power, what is it comparable to?
 

miami

New User
Hey everyone

I hit with the Max 200G today and I did feel it was slightly muted. However, I also felt the 300 is slightly muted. The Max 200G definitely has more control over the 300, while also having more power due to the higher weight. The stock Max 200G also has more plow-through than my customized 300, which makes sense given it is still heavier. Therefore, Bio Max 200G is an overall improvement on Bio 300 if you are a serious player.

I recommend this racquet for a playtest. While I prefer the paint on the 300, the Max 200G will be my tournament racquet for the next several years.
 

Shangri La

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the early reviews. The racquet is looking good.

Hey everyone

I hit with the Max 200G today and I did feel it was slightly muted. However, I also felt the 300 is slightly muted. The Max 200G definitely has more control over the 300, while also having more power due to the higher weight. The stock Max 200G also has more plow-through than my customized 300, which makes sense given it is still heavier. Therefore, Bio Max 200G is an overall improvement on Bio 300 if you are a serious player.

I recommend this racquet for a playtest. While I prefer the paint on the 300, the Max 200G will be my tournament racquet for the next several years.
Would you say the Max 200G Bio is more muted than the Bio 300? Just would like a reference point as I'm not very familiar with Dunlop frames. And how have you customized your Bio 300? Thanks.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
KFWinds, Miami,

My main concern is whether or not you can flatten the ball out with control and precision? How would you describe your playing styles? Thanks.
 

KFwinds

Professional
I am a 4.0 left-handed player, all-court game although I play a lot of doubles and like to end points at the net, I do prefer to use spin and placement over power.

Come to think of it, when I was hitting with the Max I did notice that most of my groundstrokes tended to loop a bit. Next time out I'll try to hit a few flatter balls just to see how things go. Another interesting thing I noticed was that the specs are almost identical to the YT Prestige Pro; I demoed that racquet late last summer and don't remember it having nearly the same pop as the Max 200g. The stringbed on the Bio Max seems a lot more lively. Just FYI for those who might be looking for a comparison since the two are so close on paper.
 

Pneumated1

Hall of Fame
I am a 4.0 left-handed player, all-court game although I play a lot of doubles and like to end points at the net, I do prefer to use spin and placement over power.

Come to think of it, when I was hitting with the Max I did notice that most of my groundstrokes tended to loop a bit. Next time out I'll try to hit a few flatter balls just to see how things go. Another interesting thing I noticed was that the specs are almost identical to the YT Prestige Pro; I demoed that racquet late last summer and don't remember it having nearly the same pop as the Max 200g. The stringbed on the Bio Max seems a lot more lively. Just FYI for those who might be looking for a comparison since the two are so close on paper.
Sounds like your game is modeled after the guy who signed your racquet:) I bet the stick is a good fit for you. What you've stated is what I suspected, so I think that it might not be the best fit for me.

Thanks for the feedback and enjoy the frame!
 

KFwinds

Professional
Sounds like your game is modeled after the guy who signed your racquet:) I bet the stick is a good fit for you. What you've stated is what I suspected, so I think that it might not be the best fit for me.

Thanks for the feedback and enjoy the frame!
I read your post from the other thread, and if you really enjoy the 300 you should probably give the Bio Max a demo. I can definitely hit solid flat shots with my AG 300's (1hBh's are very precise!), and so far have no reason to believe that I won't be able to hit the same variety of shots with the Bio Max. My first time out with a stick I usually try to get used to the way it feels and handles, and I haven't had enough time with it yet to really open up the playbook and test my "repertoire" of shots. Didn't play any sets or games, as I was just rallying with a lower level hitting partner. It may or may not be suited for your game, but I think you'll probably find it to be an enjoyable hit.

Hope this helps! -K
 

oldSchool

New User
this is the dunlop that does it all, and I've owned or hit with almost every one of them for the last 3 iterations
what's weird is I haven't had this much confidence with my game since I played with the original back in the day
serving tip w/ this one-try turning your body completely parallel to the baseline or more, like Mac
leave the leather grip on and don't overgrip it, trust the feel...
like a mutant ninja bio 100 on steroidsdripping with feelyes, I'm in awe and the first to own and use them in the PNW that I know of-mine shipped the day they came in to TW
 

hoodjem

G.O.A.T.
Anyone had a chance to demo or play-test yet?

Anyone able to offer play-test comparisons to the 300 (98 sq. in.) series?
 
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ilian

Semi-Pro
this is the dunlop that does it all, and I've owned or hit with almost every one of them for the last 3 iterations
what's weird is I haven't had this much confidence with my game since I played with the original back in the day
serving tip w/ this one-try turning your body completely parallel to the baseline or more, like Mac
leave the leather grip on and don't overgrip it, trust the feel...
like a mutant ninja bio 100 on steroidsdripping with feelyes, I'm in awe and the first to own and use them in the PNW that I know of-mine shipped the day they came in to TW
You are getting me pretty curious my friend... I really need to try this one out. The original Max 200G is my all-time favorite racquet and I have never been able to find a substitute for it yet, so I am getting a little excited after reading your post. However, I cannot get really excited like I used to back in the day when the fist new versions of the 200 series were coming out. I always thought that Dunlop would somehow recreate the abilities of the old Max, but every time I was left disappointed. That happened so many times, that now I just have no more belief left that this will ever happen, unless they bring back the injection moulding back... It's this 0.0000000000001% hope left in me that somehow a new racquet could come close enough to the original so that I can once and for all buy a 100 of them and enjoy tennis for the rest of my life like I used to back in the day with the IMF Max 200G...
 

miami

New User
Hi Everyone,

So I am switching to the new Max 200G from my Wilson Pro Staff 90, the only shot I am struggling with the new racquet is the short and low ball inside/around the service line. I am convinced it is because of the difference in balance with the racquet. I think the difference in balance may be greater than the TW specs indicate.

Any advice on this? Obviously, work with my coach and hit more balls to correct the swing for the new racquet but let me know if this seems logical. I am a strong 5.0 player who used the Wilson 90 for the last five years. It was easier to get under the ball with the Wilson but the Dunlop delivers more power with similar level of precision.
 
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