Discussion in 'Racquets' started by Agent Orynge, Mar 12, 2012.
It seems like static / even balance racquet now versus head light racquet before.
Also, on the passing shot with opponent at the net, same experience. Or a serve into the body, more difficult to do service return versus before.
I just got my bio max 200g and hit with the ball machine and serves. So far I am impressed. My point of reference is my maxply mac customized to 342 grams and 3/8ths of an inch head light. I customized the 200g to the same specs. the bio is more comfortable and seems a bit more powerful but pretty much the same otherwise so I am happy, after about 8 years of trying different racquets my search seems to be over and I will be saving money assuming that the 200g performs the way I expect it to in match play. Now since it has a lower swing weight than the maxply I have more lead in the head so it seems more stable but not by much. I will report back after my first match.
OK, I think I am gonn ahave to try this puppy out.
I played the MaxPly McEnroe and I loved it except that it was more square than I was used to. This looks like it won't have that issue.
I just recently switched to the Dunlop Biomimetic 100 and really like it, and now you guys have forced me to rethink that decision.
I haven't tried the newer IG model, but the last gen PP was whippier and less arm friendly than the BioMax.
What do you mean by more square? Headsize and shape is identical, it is the same mold.
not same mold and headsize with bio 100
He was referring to the Maxply McEnroe.
I almost preordered one these, but I'm glad that I refrained, as it sounds as if it plays stiffer than my hoped for, weighted HM/Bio. 300. The Bio. 300, imo, actually plays more flexible than its stated stiffness. Hard to beat an HM/Bio. 300 with leather and lots of lead. A true "Jack-of-all-trades."
I had a brief "I must have this!" moment with the new Max 200g, but it's subsided. I'm sure I'll hit with one eventually and who knows, maybe down the road I'll buy one. But, the necessity of doing anything immediately is long gone.
Yes, I was referring to the shape of the tube on the MaxPly McEnroe and not the shape of the head. I understand that the head size is different from the Bio 100.
I have been playing with one of the bio max 200g for the past week and I just ordered another. Plays close to the 100 except it's a bit more forgiving. Its very stable and I have enjoyed it very much. I have it strung with nat gut mains and alu rough crosses. It plays softer than the 66 rating as to why I went with my gut/poly set up for a stiffer frame. I am going to string the next one with poly/multi hybrid as the racket plays muted and softer than expected. I would rate the flex around 62-64. Don't let the stiffness stop you from trying it, its a great racket.
Mine arrives tomorrow can't wait. I've heard mixed things about it's stiffness which is my biggest concern. Hoping this is the one as all looks good-
Just ordered mine.
Called TW and the rep said the demo will be available in .... a month :shock: I will check with local shop again, and may just blind order one..
I had to
Anyone prepared to post a really in depth review with marks out of 10 for serves returns backhands forehands groundies volleys touch power manouverability ETC please ?
Coming from the Wilson 90, my guess would be that you're missing the much more headlight balance. I'd tinker with lead on the pallet to try to gain another 2-3 point balance shift towards the handle. As you probably know, weight distribution is such a personal preference, so you might like the weight at 7" above the butt cap, maybe 3", or even near or inside the butt cap. Either way, a lighter hoop/more racquet head speed should pick this low/short ball, I would think.
And thanks for the updates on the frame.
In that case, then, and considering that the comments on stiffness are all over the place, I'll not dismiss it quite yet. My main sticks are BB Londons weighted a little heavier than this Dunlop, and to be honest, I'd welcome a touch more stiffness. I'll definitely have to hit it. Thanks.
I can't encourage this move enough, considering that our tastes in sticks are very similar, I trust your opinions, and it would save me $180----at least for the moment.
Well the max 200g has the same tube shape as the maxply. It also plays very similarly, the maxply seems to have a bit more control but maybe I just need more time with the 200g. One thing that is different besides the stiffness is that my slices launch at a higher angle so I have to adjust my grip a bit with the 200g. I have made the weight and balance the same as the maxply but there is that something that is better with an inherently higher swingweight and having to use less lead like with the maxply. Since I have only one maxply I may get me a slazenger pro braided, or I may just get to love the 200g with time.
Has anyone opened the trap door, or looked under the grip?
Seems like the hype of this frame has died down a little...I tried it out yesterday, and I wasn't expecting much, but I have to say I really liked it a lot. Good power off both side and it volleyed very well, it did feel a bit stiffer to me, but no elbow pain. I'm going to play a couple of sets with it this weekend and will post more after that.
Yeah, I haven't heard much since the huge initial outburst before and immeidately after the frame was released.
Admittedly, I was one of the people who said I'd "defintely" buy it, but I realized there was no rush. I'm sure it's a good stick, but I don't see it as being so otherwordly that I HAVE to have one. I'll eventually get a chance to hit with one and then we'll see.
But, as always, I love to hear first-hand accounts from actual users.
Still like mine, especially after tweaking the balance a little bit. I removed the leather grip and added weight to the bottom of the handle to make it more headlight. Swings a little easier now, and my Klip Legend strings have settled in nicely. I did open the trap door to put a little weight inside. I noticed someone asking about this; I didn't find anything special or unusual - looked pretty much like all the other Dunlops on the inside.
I did put it down for a few weeks as I had a few other frames I wanted to demo, but the BioMax 200g is definitely a beast
Yep. A heavier 300 series with 16 X 19--just what I'm looking for.
on my to demo list
I've had my fair share of racquets and have only blind bought 2 without demo - the London, and now the Max 200G. And I have to say both are great great racquets.
My Max 200G comes a bit more hh than printed/TW specs. With 3g of weight at the end of handle and overgrip/dampener, it weighs 11.8 oz and is 4.88 pts hl using my ultra precise table edge measurement , and has an estimated sw of under 325. Pickup weight is pretty hefty probably due to the balance. I have it strung with Pacific gut/Silverstring at 54/50.
In play the Max 200G is a very nice all-court racquet. It does everything well with precision, and IMO is best suited for long/smooth/relaxed swing. It can pull off all sorts of shots with a solid feel behind it - top/drive/slice/touch shots/etc. The level of versatility you get from the Max is almost midsize-frame-like. It is more stable than the London in stock form, and has a more raw/unfiltered feel. It doesnt swing as fast as the London but is certainly maneuverable. Like the London the Max has a healthy sweetspot. It offers a lot of finesse and precision, and is great for touch/feel players. You can also count on it if you need to drive or flatten the ball for winners. It is a very solid racquet that has a great ball feel. Good power level and forgiving to rally with from the baseline. It reminds me a lot of the IG Prestige Pro, but with much better ball feel and maneuverability, and slightly less plow which is no shame considering the weight difference and that the Pro has amazing plowthrough compared to any racquets.
I've only had a couple of hours but am very happy with it. If I had to nit-pick, I would prefer a more hl balance. But again that's if I try hard to nit-pick. You're sporting the IG Prestige MP if I'm not mistaken? If you ever feel want to try a 16 main, I highly recommend the Max
Thanks for the post. It's what I needed to know.
Still sporting the Londons as my match sticks and just tinkered with the IG Prestige MP. It's a great frame as well but a little anemic by comparison. I have it for sale, but if it doesn't sell, I may tinker with it some more. I could definitely use it, but I'm playing well with the Londons.
My only knock on the London is the slight compromise in precision and difficulty driving a ball, especially mid-court, for winners-----both of which you've alluded to positively for the BioMax 200. My Londons are right at 12oz., or just under, 6 pts. hl, and SW around 325-330 (I'm guessing). These frames probably compare favorably and play similarly.
My last question would concern ball quality. Does the Dunlop produce as quality a ball as a weighted London? Better? Thanks again for sharing.
One thing I should have mentioned is that I feel more confident swinging out going for the shot with the McEnroe racquet, because of the predictable string bed. If I miss the shot, which happens more often than I'm willing to admit , I know it's me and what to adjust the next shot.
As for ball quality, I have to admit that I haven't been able to hit with the London for a while for a better comparison. Shame on me, I know. Going by memory I think the McEnroe racquet produces about the same quality ball as my 11.7oz/323sw London, or maybe a little better than the London. 2 things to keep in mind though: 1, my Dunlop has more mass in the head than its printed specs and is about 5 points higher in sw than TW specs. But, 2, I'm more confident going for the shot with the Dunlop. On a side note, I dont like lower powered racquets. I had a TY non-IG Prestige MP weighed to 12.2oz/low 320's sw and I didn't hit as heavy a ball as with my Londons. But I dont feel my Max 200G is underpowered at all.
I've only had a couple of hours with the Max but I think it's a good fit for me. As TM put it, one should know if a racquet works for him or not within 20 or 30 minutes and I agree with that. Hope this helps
My old 300G's, which I hit for over four years were customized to 11.8oz., 5-6pts. hl, and 320-325 sw. I loved them but I knew of very few people that liked the frame as much as I did. In fact, most who tried my frames were unimpressed somehow:-? I can pick up any 300 and play like I never put the thing down. In a league match the other day I busted a string in both of my Londons within 30min. time and finished the match with a teammates AG 300, stock. My serve didn't suffer, and my backhand, top and slice, were actually enhanced. Dunlop 300's are the best 1hbh sticks on the planet in my estimation. I couldn't find my forehand with the racquet because of the AG 300 wobble/flex in the hoop, which doomed me, but I'd fix that with lead. All of this to say that I think you've sold me, as if I needed a lot of selling, so I may have to bite on this. Maybe I'll give the new TW trade-in system a go and see what I can get for a practically new Prestige.
As much as I love the London, I was always a little more confident going for a shot with the Dunlop 300's. And considering that they've put one in my spec-range wheelhouse, I'll have to think on this a bit. Thanks for the response.
It sounds you really feel home with the 300 series. And Mr. McEnroe must have read your mind to design the Max 200G almost exactly like your old 300! But I'd still suggest you to demo one before committing a purchase. And TW's written review should be out any time and it will be interesting to see what they have to say. Actually I can PM you a source if you consider a buy just not sure how to do it..
One more question for you: Did you hit the Bio. 300? If so, how would you compare it to the BioMax 200?
As far as the reference; I'd like to have it. You can email me through the site if you wish, although I see that I cannot contact you that way.
Yes, I've demo'd a Bio300 once briefly and it was the first time I hit with a Dunlop 300 16x19. I was pleasantly surprised by its control and feel. The best part was the racquet complemented my stroke nicely and swung very naturally for me despite its almost even balance. On the downside I felt it was very low-powered and lack stability especially torsionally. I did add 6g of lead at 3/9/12 bringing its sw to near 320 and it responded well. But I still felt the power level was low. Its control maybe I mean maybe ever so slightly better than the Max? I really didnt have enough time with the Bio 300 to be sure.
So my blind buy isnt that blind after hearing people saying the Max is more of a 300 and I think it is true. I can see the 300 root in the McEnroe racquet but it's really a beefed up version that's better in almost every way. Maybe a leaded/leather-gripped Bio300 can come closer but from my brief hit I still think the Max hits a more solid ball. An analogy would be Djokovic2011 is so much better than Djokovic2010 that they are almost two different players although both are, well, Djokovic PS - message sent.
And TW's full review is up!
Well I finally had an opportunity to try the New Dunlop Biomimetic Max 200G WOW ! I was pleasantly surprised how great it plays. Lots of power, big sweet spot plenty of plow though a very solid racquet It does not feel as stiff as the 65 RA's. It's very smooth with just enough feed back for great feel around the net, some of us still venture up there
I have always been a great fan of all the Dunlop 300 series from the Hotmelt (that still the best IMO) to the 4D. I did not buy the BIO 300 and switch to the HEAD IG Speed 300 about one year ago after playing with Dunlop for more than 10 years.
And even if I get used to the Head stick, I still miss the dunlop feeling so I decided to give a try to the new Bio Max 200 G.
I though it was closer to the Bio 300 but it is definitely not only a 300 with a leather grip. It has its own feelings and this suits me well! Of course, I can't refind the same spin potentiel I have developed with the IG Speed 300 but in terms of plow through and pace, it is by far better.
As on every Dunlop racquets, I have added about 6g of lead at 3 and 9 to make it more stable and the result is very nice. With an overgrip and a dmapener, it nrings it to 336g.
On serve, even if I lost a bit of power, it is very precise, and quite easy to hit kick serves. Slices serves are not too bad but this is really not one of my best shot.
On forehand, I am more a natural flat hitter, it comes to its climax, as the head speed can generate great speed to the ball without sacrifiying control. The ball is kept in the court and you can swing high without restraint. I still have some dificulties for the drop shot but switching from Speed300 to this needs a bit of adaptation.
On my 1HBH, this is by far better than the Head. For slice shots, it feels great and very precise. For both short angle shots or down the line shot, the slices are really performing. On spin shot, it is correct but I am more used to flat BH which is so nice with it too.
Volley: nothing to add, it feels great, maybe a lack of stability on hard passing shots but I guess my arm is something to do with this!
The 65 RA stiffness is not that hard, I would say it feels more around 64 but, compared to my IG 300 ,it still feel stiff. For now, my arm does not complain and my shoulder does not moan either.
All in all, I do think the Bio Max 200G (even if nothing to do with the original same name stick) is better than the BIO300 and is somewhere between the Bio200 and the 300. No matter the name it was given, some would say it is more a 300 than a 200, I don't care at all. THis stick is for player who prefere hit flat and who are looking for pace and precision without needing a 345g stick.
Last remark, I am playing with Head Intellitour string, 25kg, and this is very confortable.
Will let you know whether I decide to switch from IG 300 to BioMax200 for good...
I was struggling with the decision on the similar 2 rackets in the last few weeks. I was also used to mid 11oz range sticks and leaded up my londons as well. I love the feel in my hand with it but just play better with the stock form due to the control issues you mentioned and so I took off the lead. It also does help in a long third set in singles although I have to say the BM 200 max is an amazing doubles stick and the feel at net is crazy
Just a short time with the BioMax 200 made the decision easy for me. I can do so much more with the ball with my Londons. The Dunlop is a very solid frame for the more linear player who hits the ball flat and sticks volleys. I agree with you that it is a volley machine, but at this point, I prefer thinner-beamed Volkls. What I didn't expect was to be blown away by the Organix 10-295. My decision seems to be coming down to these two frames, customized, but I think Volkl may have a long-term user. Nothing else quite satisfies at this point.
I'm glad you took the time to demo and things are made easy. We all know how great it feels to have that peace of mind : ) Do you get more action on the ball with the London? And the leaded Bio300 didn't work as well for you? The Organix 10-295 is something that I feel perhaps needs a re-demo. From what I read, it takes leading better than the London. The new Organix 9 is a candidate as well. But for now I'm happy with the Max 200G.
The BioMax 200 is a great racquet, and I think you've made a good choice. I notice the slightly thinner beam and more flex with the London; therefore, I get a little more rip on the ball with it, but that's just me. You have to realize that the 300G was my first racquet, and for 4 1/2 years I never entertained the idea that another racquet may be better for my game. I had to try the BioMax 200 just to quell the nostalgia, but I realize that I've moved on to a more suitable line with Volkl/Becker. The leaded Bio. 300 felt stiffer to me than the BioMax, which is as smooth and stable as they come, imo.
I also should mention that I've really come to appreciate the balance between maneuverability, racquet-head speed, stability, feel, and ball quality that I'm getting with some of the middle-weight Beckers and Volkls. I'll be sticking with the Londons, plan to buy an X-295, and will demo the X-9. I'm really impressed with these sticks.
Tried asking the following in an original thread, but maybe posting here will do the trick...
I am giving up my year love affair with the Head Prestige Pro, I played 6 days straight last week and it began to dominate my arm.
These rackets I've tested and dismissed as not a good replacement for me:
1. Prestige MP
2. Radical Pro
The Dunlop BMax 200g and Wilson BLX 6.1 95 two I am considering, any other suggestions on demos?
Dunlop BMax 200g likes:
a. Serve placement
b. one handed backhand comfort and control
Wilson BLX 6.1 95 likes:
a. Serve power
b. Similar forehand plow as the prestige
Specs for both:
Wilson 11.5 oz, Dunlop: 11.7 oz
Wilson SW: 306 Dunlop: 318
Wilson: 7 pts. HL Dunlop: 5 pts.
Stiffness: Wilson 62 Dunlop 65
I think I like the Dunlop more for maneuverability, even though looking at the specs that doesn't make sense, maybe I am ignorant of something.
Any suggested demos based on this feedback? Thanks in advance
have you tried the donnay pro ones in either string pattern? It is definitely more user friendly than the 6-1 series and great plow for a OHBH, serves and volleys. Has a different feel overall but most folks seem to like it
Has anyone customized their 200 Max to increase the stability and pop?
Debating between the PDR 2012 and customizing the Max 200.
I tried about 2g at 12 and it felt better but too sluggish for my liking. I have now taken that off and have added about 2 grams lead at each of 10 and 2 and am eagerly awaiting my next hit.
If I go with the Max 200, my plan is to remove the leather grip and then lead up the stick to 6 pts. HL, 11.9 oz, and a SW under 330 hopefully. I'm wondering if that will give me pop comparable to the PDR 2012.
I have gone down a similar path. Starting with a weight of 330g and an estimated sw of 325, judging from my other sticks. I then replaced the leather grip with a synth grip and overgrip plus 2g of lead at 12. This resulted in 328g and an estimated sw of 330.
Now I have lead at 10 and 2, a weight of 330g, and the sw feels slightly less. I expect this to play better for me, but I don't think the power level will be quite up to a PDR, unless i use a livelier string (multi) or string my PLII lower than my current 52/49 setup.
By chance do you know what the specs are stock, with a synthetic grip instead of the leather?
I realize I won't get actual PDR power, but I'd like something close to it. I guess a better comparison would be power/pop close to the Donnay Pro One or Head IG Radical Pro.
I think you are refering to the blx ps 6.1 95 based on the SW of 306.
If you like thin beam rackets in this weight range, maybe try a volkl org 10 325 or 295. Also, the Dunlop bio 300 should be similar to the max 200g.
Also add 5-6 grams of lead to the head of the wilson blx ps 6.1 95 to get the SW up near the dunlop max 200g.
I play volkl 0rg 10 295 leaded to 12.1 oz, 335 SW, 6HL. I would demo pretty much what you are trying for my next racket - dunlop max 200g, dunlop 300, wilson ps 6.1 95. I would customized to get SW 330-335 and balance 6 HL.
The volkls are real easy on the arm and quite frankly hit the most solid ball of the bunch. the dunlop 300 has good pop due to the elongated head shape - longer mains. The wilson ps 6.1 95 is just cool - solid feel, super thin beam, flexy (feels like you can hold the ball on the stringbed) and nice paint job, but underpowered and needs stability.
All of these are top notch if you like thin beamed feel and relatively low power. But, honestly, if you get the swingweight up a bit and/or lower tension, they have plenty of power too.
I would highly recommend the Slazenger Pro Braided. It's a true player's racquet and weighs 11.5oz strung. I wouldn't let the swingweight of 330 scare you off. The 3 racquets I have and 2 I demo'd are closer to 310 in swingweight. This racquet is very manueverable and I love it for my all-court style of play.
My Max 200G is at 11.8 oz a bit under 325 sw 5 pts hl and my Pro one is 11.9 oz about 325 sw 6.~ hl. I dont think 5 extra sw on the 200G will have power level of the Pro One. It's plenty stable though.
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