Blackwidow, blackcode, Tournabig hitter black 7 and TCS polyfibre

Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
Hello.

I would like to seek some advice from some of the string experts.

I am looking for a soft/comfortable and powerful polyester string. I am also looking for something that becomes more springy when it dies rather than turning into barb wire.

I am looking to purchase 4 sets of strings to test and so far I have narrowed it down to TCS polyfibre, Dunlop blackwidow, technifibre Blackcode and tournabighitter Black 7.

I am seeking advice on the following issues:
1) How do the above four strings compare to each other in terms of comfort and power?
2) Which of these strings will harden up over time?
3) Are there any better strings out there that might suit me that I should include in my list?

Thanks.

*I will be stringing them fullbed poly on a 100square inch 16x19 pattern racquet.
 
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tennisjon

Professional
Dunlop Black Widow is a very soft poly. Its not the most durable of polys but it gets tremendous spin until it pops. The Blackcode is stiffer (though more crisp than stiff), more durable, and it gets very good spin too. In between these I would recommend MSV Focus Hex and Genesis Hexonic. They are powerful and get good spin. Both hold their tensions pretty well too and are very durable.
 

commish00

New User
Can't comment on the polyfibre. The Black Widow is the softest and has the best spin, then there is blackcode and tourna black 7 in order of softness. I too think you should consider adding MSV focus Hex to the mix. It is relatively cheap compared to the other choices and I think has a better overall feel than all the strings you mentioned. it is not as soft as Black Widow but still is very soft for a poly. It has a bit more power than Black Widow and cups the ball better. All depends on what your looking for.

Best of luck in your string search
 

DrpShot!

Semi-Pro
Tourna Black 7 is really soft as well, very forgiving on the arm, but not as soft as Black Widow, and it holds tension better.
 

db10s

Hall of Fame
Out of those, Black Widow is softest. It also offers great spin, but it is more of a control string.
 

Torres

Banned
Black Widow or Big Hitter Black would be the way to go. Best strings out of anything mentioned in this thread.
 
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Up&comer

Hall of Fame
Black Widow or Big Hitter Black would be the way to go. Best strings out of anything mentioned in this thread.
Out of those, definitely. Black Widow is a little on the low powered side, though. I think the OP is looking for power as well.

Welcome back.
 

Torres

Banned
Welcome back.
Welcome back, Torres.
Thanks.

The one thing I don't like about Black Widow is simply the pricing, particularly the reel pricing, which I think is ridiculous for what it is.

But that's down to Dunlop (and Mike Ashley) not really understanding the market.

If it wasn't for the pricing, I'd happily pick up a reel of it, and have it as a 'feel based' poly option.
 
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tennisjon

Professional
Thanks.

The one thing I don't like about Black Widow is simply the pricing, particularly the reel pricing, which I think is ridiculous for what it is.

But that's down to Dunlop (and Mike Ashley) not really understanding the market.

If it wasn't for the pricing, I'd happily pick up a reel of it, and have it as a 'feel based' poly option.
Agreed! Its my favorite string, but its not as durable as some of its competitors and its more expensive, so I only keep one of my racquets strung with it.
 

maxpotapov

Hall of Fame
Thanks.

The one thing I don't like about Black Widow is simply the pricing, particularly the reel pricing, which I think is ridiculous for what it is.

But that's down to Dunlop (and Mike Ashley) not really understanding the market.

If it wasn't for the pricing, I'd happily pick up a reel of it, and have it as a 'feel based' poly option.
Can't complain about pricing @ 79 EUR per reel in TW Europe. It superb in spin and softness department with just enough power when it's still alive (up to 6-8 hours in hybrid setup with syn gut crosses). Unbreakable too, I had to cut it out after 14 hours. If I would have stringing machine, this would be my economical choice here in Europe.
 

Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
Thanks to everyone for the replies.

I was always under the impression, softer strings were more powerful? So I am a little suprised to hear that blackwidow is underpowered.

In that case, can anyone suggest some of the more powerful polyester/co-polys? Powerful for a polyester anyway.
 

Up&comer

Hall of Fame
Thanks to everyone for the replies.

I was always under the impression, softer strings were more powerful? So I am a little suprised to hear that blackwidow is underpowered.

In that case, can anyone suggest some of the more powerful polyester/co-polys? Powerful for a polyester anyway.
Polystar energy and WeissCANNON Turbotwist would be the two you are looking for.
There you go.
 

Torres

Banned
I was always under the impression, softer strings were more powerful? So I am a little suprised to hear that blackwidow is underpowered.
I didn't find it underpowered. It's just right for poly in my view. It's only Up&comer who's suggesting that its underpowered. If you want more power just string it a few lbs looser, or look for a hybrid.
 

Up&comer

Hall of Fame
I didn't find it underpowered. It's just right for poly in my view. It's only Up&comer who's suggesting that its underpowered. If you want more power just string it a few lbs looser, or look for a hybrid.
I'm not saying its underpowered. I'm simply saying that it is not a powerful poly, which he seemed to want. And yes, lower tensions are always an option :).
 

mikeler

Moderator
I didn't find it underpowered. It's just right for poly in my view. It's only Up&comer who's suggesting that its underpowered. If you want more power just string it a few lbs looser, or look for a hybrid.

When I tried it as a main string, it just seemed to have too much spin. Everything was dropping short.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
No love for Genesis Black Magic? An excellent all-around soft co-poly with loads of feel. IMO this string gets everything right.
 

Chotobaka

Hall of Fame
Look, I think ppl are dismissing Black Code a bit too easily. Nice string, not all that stiff for a poly and a spin monster. Lasts ok, too.
Probably based on people looking for less expensive alternatives. But you are 100% correct about this string's qualities. Terrific string. I stock up when TF runs specials, but they are not the most generous deals -- usually "buy 12 get 3 free". Also, no cheap reel deals. Maybe, someday they will offer the same deal as they do with Multi-Feel, "buy 12 get 6 free". Now that is a deal!
 

Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
Ok guys.

Just an update. I've been trying the blackcode and rpm blast (both 17 g) on my pure drives for a week now. This is the first time I'm using polyester. I had both of them strung at 50 lbs.

1) Firstly, I find that they both feel almost like prince synthetic gut with duraflex. It feels very soft.

2) Even though the strings feel very soft, my wrist feels extremely tired after long tennis sessions. This is very unusual. I'm not sure if this is a bad thing healthwise? Is this some sort of symptom of excessive shock to the hands? It feels almost as if I went to the gym and did wrist curlers. My wrist do feel like they have lost strength after a long session of 4-5 hours hitting (2.5 hrs in the morning and 2.5 in the evening).

3) I'm hitting with lots of spin, more than ever before. I can really see the ball jumping/kicking. But I'm not sure if its a psychological thing where I'm thinking okay poly means spin so I'm unconsciously brushing up more? Usually with synthetic and multis I don't get quite as much jump and I hit a flatter ball with not quite as much spin. But With these poly strings I'm really struggling to find form on my flattened out strokes. So when I try to flatten it out, I'm either hitting it out or into the net. Maybe the low tension has an effect? The high net clearance spin ball is fun, but it'll be nice to be able to flatten it out a lot more.

I usually use 56lbs for prince synthetic gut.

Would like to hear some thoughts.
 
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sounds like you just need to up the tension a little bit.
i string Black Code at 57m/55x and it feels awesome in 100" 16x19 pattern.
first time out it might be a little stiff but it settles a few pounds lower and i can play with it for WEEKS. (i am very string tension sensitive too.. so normally a string lasts a couple days ((or a few hours with Lux)) and i notice too much trampoline and have to cut it out)
i strung another at 55m/54x and it was great fresh but now the string bed is too soft and while it is ok to use for rallying it is not good enough for matches. my shots have a lot more net clearance with this set up but when i try to flatten out or even hit really hard with spin, shots go long.

so anyway, try going up 2-3lbs... it can make all the difference.
 

Sander001

Hall of Fame
Hello.

I would like to seek some advice from some of the string experts.

I am looking for a soft/comfortable and powerful polyester string. I am also looking for something that becomes more springy when it dies rather than turning into barb wire.

I am looking to purchase 4 sets of strings to test and so far I have narrowed it down to TCS polyfibre, Dunlop blackwidow, technifibre Blackcode and tournabighitter Black 7.

I am seeking advice on the following issues:
1) How do the above four strings compare to each other in terms of comfort and power?
2) Which of these strings will harden up over time?
3) Are there any better strings out there that might suit me that I should include in my list?

Thanks.

*I will be stringing them fullbed poly on a 100square inch 16x19 pattern racquet.
If you're looking for higher powered polys, what made you narrow it down to those choices? Polyfibre consistently have the lowest power ratings of all the polys. TCS16 is the lowest rated of them all in fact.
 

Up&comer

Hall of Fame
sounds like you just need to up the tension a little bit.
i string Black Code at 57m/55x and it feels awesome in 100" 16x19 pattern.
first time out it might be a little stiff but it settles a few pounds lower and i can play with it for WEEKS. (i am very string tension sensitive too.. so normally a string lasts a couple days ((or a few hours with Lux)) and i notice too much trampoline and have to cut it out)
i strung another at 55m/54x and it was great fresh but now the string bed is too soft and while it is ok to use for rallying it is not good enough for matches. my shots have a lot more net clearance with this set up but when i try to flatten out or even hit really hard with spin, shots go long.

so anyway, try going up 2-3lbs... it can make all the difference.
I couldn't agree less. If anything, he should string lower. If he is getting a tired wrist, he either should stop using poly, or drop the tension and even hybrid. He could try poly mains/synth crosses at 50/52 or so. It would be better for his wrist. If you want to play with full poly, try dropping the tension to 45 or even lower.
 

Jay_The_Nomad

Professional
If you're looking for higher powered polys, what made you narrow it down to those choices? Polyfibre consistently have the lowest power ratings of all the polys. TCS16 is the lowest rated of them all in fact.
I came up with that list thinking that soft = powerful since I hadnt used poly before.

Turns out that poly isn't as low powered or harsh as I had anticipated when strung at low tension.
 
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Sander001

Hall of Fame
Haha yeah, funny that. It does make sense that softer would mean more power but somehow it doesn't work out.
Cyberflash 17L is a great example; it's perhaps the softest poly but it has very low power. But that also means control is great and dwell time is insane, better than natural gut. The ball stays on the string for days.
 
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