Discussion in 'General Pro Player Discussion' started by batz, Feb 5, 2013.
1- Remember there was no signs of injury when he played Rosol. His absence is part from the shame he feels of losing the match. He did the same after Soderling.
2- He does have injuries though and always had bad knees. He will never be the same.
3- He has some contracts he needs to satisfy. He is back for money and for Toni.
4- Murray my favorite to win RG
I guess it's always fun to support underdogs. And with 0 credentials on clay, Murray is as massive an underdog as there ever will be!
Can Murray even win a 250 on clay?
Nadal is legit hurt.....you can see the way he moved in Wimbledon 2012....the hater in me want to believe he got beat playing his best.
There are a few times he looks perfectly fine....maybe small niggles....but overexagerated them.
Bodo is stealing a living.
Ok, I am not a "Nadal fan" or really a fan of anyone in particular, but I am a "tennis fan", and I never take anything Bozo says seriously, but when he accuses a group of people as not being objective, that just shows how incompetent Bozo is, considering he is about as non-objective as one can get with his stupid articles and comments.
Yeah, Bozo's articles always feel like they were composed while waiting in a lunch hour queue. His point is in the first half of the article where he wants to drum his opinion home that Nadal will not be missed. Then he talks about the knees, which have given him fodder for a gazillion similar articles. What is he wailing about exactly?
***sarcasm alert*** I wondered why Nadal didn't play in the Aussie Open.... :lol:
Bozo wonders if Nadal was really missed. LOL did he think that the AO had good men's tennis when a 31 year old man is able to reach the semifinals and the only two viable players right from the start were Murray and Djokovic?
Bozo has still not gotten over the way he was humiliated and had to beg for an interview with the Nadal camp after writing a worthless piece of sh*t. He is the classical old Fed fart still living in the past and unable to accept a superior player when he comes along.
You mean Nadal is better than Bodo? :-?
Well Bodo did accuse Nadal of juicing then discovered that airing these opinions may his income in the future. So he promptly back-tracked and nary a peep out of him these days about PEDS in tennis.
You are wrong about all of your points. Nadal's absence has nothing to do with shame over his Rosol loss, he does not have any serious knee injury, he is not back for the money or Uncle Toni (that is silly) and Murray is not winning RG.
He did? When was that?
back when rafa missed the 06 aussie open.
he wondererd if that was the reason for his abrupt withdrawal.
I laughed, and then I laughed some more.
I should think so. He's made it to the semis of RG, MC (twice) and Rome and only got stopped by either the clay goat Rafa or goating Djokovic.
Who cares what Bodo thinks. Nadal is one of the greatest champions in tennis history, he mastered and dethroned Federer. He brought an energy and intensity the sport has never seen before. He is missed and missed dearly.
Tough when he doesn't play any.
I am surprised that Chrissie allows such articles to be put up. It is really a shame when a "journalist" is so biased and egoistic. He should be retired before he makes more of a fool of himself. He understands neither the technical side of the game or the people dynamics, but just spews some kind of hate in every article.
I missed that. Does that article still exist and does anybody have a link for it if so?
I usually don't agree with Bodo but this one is bang on. I'm surprised he's brave enough to take on Uncle Toni this way. :lol:
He's so biased it's ridiculous. Journalism is certainly a loose term these days.
I think if Murray decided to enter some small clay events he could probably win a few. He really only plays the clay masters+ Barcelona
Bodo is a Bozo. Always has been and always will be.
Why, because he does not always fawn over Nadal?
No, because he is so anti-Nadal since Nadal can bulldoze thru his hero any time
Bozo doesn't like Federer either....
Perhaps Bodo knows a little more about what goes on behind the scenes than we do, if you know what I mean? You know reasons for Nadal's absences and such. :twisted:
No, nobody knows more than we do here. In fact, journalists get their ideas from us.
I think Peter Bodo is asking the right questions. Whenever Nadal has a dramatic loss he seems to flee the ATP Tour. Remember 2009 when Nadal lost to Soderling his parents were also having marital problems and almost divorced. Nadal's parents have since gotten back together but his personal problems were more the reason he missed Wimbledon in 2009 despite being the defending champion.
Nadal probably had knee problems but I sense his problems are more personal and emotional. I doubt Nadal is going to tell the media the truth but I think something happened in his personal life and he probably had a crisis of self confidence too.
He knows more than we do, believe me.
The only journalist who told the truth about Nadal doesn't even like tennis is Lynn Barber. The tennis industry and the tennis fans attacked Lynn Barber but her essay exposed a lot about the machinery and the PR BS about Nadal. Barber's essay was so objective because she dared to ask the tough questions that most tennis journalists would NEVER ask or even dare write about a tennis champion like Nadal.
What people see about Nadal is not who he really is but his obsessive fans will never agree with this point. These people think Nadal is perfect, and he never lies, and he never spins stories to suit his own interests. These fans don't realize Nadal has a brand to sell and a product he isn't just a tennis star he's a huge international celebrity who has an image he is desperately trying to keep private and maintain.
I am not so sure, the tennis media a lot of those journalists are actually very tacky people they are "fans" of a lot of these tennis stars they don't ask the tough questions they aren't objective.
When's the last time some in the media attacked the McEnroe brothers? Patrick McEnroe is the worst example of neoptism in tennis industry ever.
Especially Patrick McEnroe he's the worst tennis commentator on USA television he has a conflict of interest because he works at the USTA. Where are the articles asking Patrick McEnroe for him to resign from the USTA?
Mary Joe Fernandez husband is Roger Federer's agent and I think she also has close ties to Maria Sharapova too. Ever watch a match with Sharapova and listen to Mary Joe Fernandez commentate? These so called commentators and journalists are not objective enough.
In order to get access to tennis stars like Nadal the media have to go through his PR machine and managers.
I think the public only sees what Nadal and his PR people want us to see. But it would take a serious journalist someone that can spot BS and call it for what it is.
I dont like Bodo but he is spot on when it comes to this article. You need to be stupid to believe Rafa and his team anymore.
I also think Rafa isnt humble or something as we fans try to portray him.He is insecure. Thats why he always plays this stupid mind games. There were many times Rafa and his team exaggerated Rafas injury problems.I dont mean he never suffered any problems or something but it is pretty clear Rafa loves to create safe heaven for himself.When he lose because he has problems either physically or personal problems.When he wins this is even more special because he also played with pain and problems but still managed to win.OHHH what a fighter.
No he doesn't.
Bodo's bias and inability to write anything from an objective point of view simply confirms that everything he writes is hogwash.
What it is is a knee injury. There is a lot of sponsor pressure on him to return. That is why he was always thinking of coming back earlier, but did not do so due to medical advice. He injured his knees before Wimbledon, but still played through the pain against Rosol. Then he decided to look after his health and not to bow to fan and sponsor pressure. As the GOAT, people wanted him to return because they saw how tennis standards had gone down without him. So he played along saying he will be back soon, but was forced to keep postponing due to the healing time of the injury. That is all there is to it.
It is no different from any of us who try to persuade ourselves we are OK to play tennis even when we are not feeling well.
You are only saying that because he writes negatively about Nadal at times.
Nadal has been (perhaps allowed himself to be) overmanaged by the PR machine. He is just an insecure, uneducated kid.
He might pull an Agassi later in his life: kicks Toni off his life, leaves his GF, shaves his head and returns to the tour and wins a few matches, takes some writing classes and writes another book on his own.
At times? Even when he is writing something supposedly positive it turns into a backhanded compliment.
What is more important Nadal's health or sponsors? It is stupid for Nadal to return if he is still in pain it doesn't make any sense.
I guess most tennis fans just want to believe the knee injury story because that's the PR story Nadal and his team have said.
Yet I've seen photos of Nadal swimming, and doing all kinds of social things smiling for the camera.
This knee injury story might have some veracity but Nadal is lying and the media need to dig a bit deeper to find out what's really going on with him.
Where is Lynn Barber? I would love to see Lynn Barber write another essay about Nadal she's the only journalist who really was able to peel beneath the surface and expose the facade about him.
So that's why I believe Nadal's problems are probably a mixture of physical, emotional, and probably psychological too.
If the knee injury is so serious why not just have surgery? Nadal is a multi millionaire sports medicine has improved so much in the past ten to fifteen years so why doesn't he just get the injury fixed?
So where is the essay you are talking about?
I am not a big fan of what Bodo writes but he is doing it to grab attention for the most part probably. He is entitled to write whatever he wants. The fact that we are talking about it on here and giving it attention is exactly what Bodo wants.
I also think this guy and his team loves the fans and media speculate and talk about him endlessly. Nothing is coincidence.
Just google Lynn Barber and Nadal it is the twenty first century not hard to do.
Lynn Barber's article was anything but objective. It is obvious from her opening lines that she was determined to write a negative piece.
I mean come one, she got offended because his fly was undone, how dare his fly be undone while he is getting a massage.
Of course he's not perfect and he lies. He's human, not a robot.
All the top tennis players are selling a brand. Don't make it sound like he is the only one though. Djokovic and Federer are selling a brand too you know...
Good point, time to stop talking about him.
Bodo? Who is this Bodo? :twisted:
Yeah, he says his knees still hurt, but he is back anyways. So by playing does he expect the pain to get better or worse??
Remember last time he didnt play it was not knee, it was a stomach bug. So what he is really doing is buying time and keeping his brand going. He is taking care of his contracts or he will lose bunch of money.
Bodo is exactly right when he says he is not straight forward with his fans and the media about his injury. Have you EVER seen an injury like this? His knees are good and then they are not good, he is coming back and then he is not coming back. He is pain but he is coming back anyways???
Call the BS when you see it, his fan or not, nothing about this injury is making sense.
Just look at the way he lost his last match. I for one have never seen a player who is so seriously injured that not only plays the whole 5 sets but he is so much into the match that shoulder bumps his opponent and even complains to umpire about the guys movements before he serves?? and then he goes out for 7 months??
Have some common sense dude, see it like he is. Bodo is right, his injury and the way he has been handling it is not normal.
Nadal has a chronic injury so it requires ongoing management. Is the difference between a chronic and trauma-based injury too difficult to grasp?
I am not so sure about this shoulder bump stuff buy ı agree with the rest of your comments.Spot on.
Exactly. It is not a one-time thing. Once people get past their hate of Nadal, they will be able to see how simple it is.
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