BOMBSHELL: In normal circumstances, Djokovic needed only 600 points from the AUS Open, Indian Wells, Miami, Montreal, Cincy and US Open to be No. 1!

UnforcedTerror

UnforcedTerror

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Djokovic would have 6,320 points in normal circumstances while Alcaraz at #1 with 6,920 pts.

So only 600 points were needed for Djokovic from the 10,000 points of the 6 premiere hardcourt tournaments which he was denied to participate in. o_O

That's only one final in one of the four masters or one semi appearance in one of the two slams to be #1.

Do you think he would have been able to collect 600 points out of the 10,000?

Discuss.
 
The_Order

The_Order

G.O.A.T.
He probably doesn't collect 750 points from the mickey mouse events he won though...

I seem to recall this exact thread already existing... must be a reason why you're recreating it...
 
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Bartelby said:
I don't think anyone will challenge Novak's "weeks at no. 1" record in any event.
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That's the problem with "weeks at no. 1", its not an event, so it doesn't help you in The Slam Race.
All those weeks, all for nothing....
 
Aussie Darcy

Aussie Darcy

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I mean imagine if he just got the vaccine and played those events like everyone else did? Then we wouldn't be left wondering and Djokovic wouldn't have destroyed his image and legacy globally. We can only imagine....
 
tennis_error

tennis_error

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thepaint19 said:
Under normal circumstances, Nadal wouldn't miss 6 weeks with a broken rib in the lead-up to Roland Garros, and withdraw from the Wimbledon SF with a torn stomach :eek:
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Injuries are normal in sport... Political decisions preventing healthy players to play aren't normal thing in sport... If you don't understand words I can try to draw it to you...
 
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tennis_error said:
Only in your head man... Weeks are second most important tennis record...
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"Weeks" includes weeks when you aren't even competing, which makes it completely meaningless.
"Year-End-#1" makes sense, but "weeks"? Meaningless.
A total waste of time for Djokovic, as he still couldn't capture The Record that everybody talks about and always will = The Slam Record.
 
Bartelby

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
That's true. But as they say about cricket and baseball, tennis is a game about records, even if less so.

thepaint19 said:
That's the problem with "weeks at no. 1", its not an event, so it doesn't help you in The Slam Race.
All those weeks, all for nothing....
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aldeayeah

aldeayeah

G.O.A.T.
You could have been number one
And you could have ruled the whole world
And we could have had so much fun
But you blew it away

 
DSH

DSH

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UnforcedTerror said:
Djokovic would have 6,320 points in normal circumstances while Alcaraz at #1 with 6,920 pts.

So only 600 were needed for Djokovic from the 10,000 points of the 6 premiere hardcourt tournaments which he was denied to participate in. o_O

That's only one final in one of the four masters or one semi appearance in one of the two slams to be #1.

Do you think he would have been able to collect 600 points out of the 10,000?

Discuss.
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Was it really?
:oops:
 
Hypo Crisis

Hypo Crisis

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thepaint19 said:
Under normal circumstances, Nadal wouldn't miss 6 weeks with a broken rib in the lead-up to Roland Garros, and withdraw from the Wimbledon SF with a torn stomach :eek:
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Tell me which season Nadal normally played everything there is, or a season where he achieved CYGS.
Normal for Nadal is to play clay tournaments, everything else is not important.
 
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Lauren_Girl'

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thepaint19 said:
"Weeks" includes weeks when you aren't even competing, which makes it completely meaningless.
"Year-End-#1" makes sense, but "weeks"? Meaningless.
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Who cares frankly, he has both. Weeks and Year-End #1. He has now 7 YE1, Nadal and Federer have 5. Nadal got it in 2013 and 2019 for less than 500 points, whereas Djokovic repeatedly finished #1 with colossal gaps. He still has the absolute record of points, with 16,950 in 2016.
What's important is he holds both records. 373 and 7. Good luck to Alcaraz, Medvedev or whoever wants to beat these records...

The OP has a point, anyway. Djokovic has 373 weeks at #1. Without the pandemic, he would already have 420 (+22 for the frozen weeks in 2020) and it's very unlikely he'd have lost it this year if they counted the Wimbledon points and let him play in the US. He only needed 600 points within 2 Slams and 5 Masters1000. Unless he had a complete collapse and lost in the first rounds of all those tournaments, it's about 99,99999% certain he'd still be #1 today.
 
DSH

DSH

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Lauren_Girl' said:
Who cares frankly, he has both. Weeks and Year-End #1. He has now 7 YE1, Nadal and Federer have 5. Nadal got it in 2013 and 2019 for less than 500 points, whereas Djokovic repeatedly finished #1 with colossal gaps. He still has the absolute record of points, with 16,950 in 2016.
What's important is he holds both records. 373 and 7. Good luck to Alcaraz, Medvedev or whoever wants to beat these records...

The OP has a point, anyway. Djokovic has 373 weeks at #1. Without the pandemic, he would already have 420 (+22 for the frozen weeks in 2020) and it's very unlikely he'd have lost it this year if they counted the Wimbledon points and let him play in the US.
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If you don't comply with the mandates like the others, whose responsibility is it?
:notworthy:
 
Hitman

Hitman

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Djokovic is the greatest heavyweight champion in tennis, holding both weeks at number one and year ending number one records. This year of course legitimacy was impacted on the tour by politics, but honestly I am happy for Alcaraz. Its been fun watching his rise this year, and having the best season of any teenager by not only winning a slam but becoming the youngest world number one in tennis history.

Djokovic will likely reclaim the crown he never really lost next year, because it is likely legitimacy will return full time next year.
 
RaulRamirez

RaulRamirez

Legend
A. Missing tournanents because of injuries is different than missing tournaments because of "political decisions".
B. That said, as I agree with those "political decisions", I blame Novak for not complying with those regulations. (No, I don't agree with not awarding points for Wimbledon.) I don't want to debate this -- way too many discussions over this already.
C. Good on Alcaraz ...still ...for earning World #1. He controlled what he could, and played great this year.
 
tennis_error

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Aussie Darcy said:
Funny because you only joined about 3 months ago and barely have any posts but you seem to know so much about me. Wonder what poster you were in a previous life
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Obviously I'm here long time, almost from the beginning of the forum. And I proved that, haven't I, you post exclusively about Novak and COVID.
 
tennis_error

tennis_error

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Hitman said:
Djokovic is the greatest heavyweight champion in tennis, holding both weeks at number one and year ending number one records. This year of course legitimacy was impacted on the tour by politics, but honestly I am happy for Alcaraz. Its been fun watching his rise this year, and having the best season of any teenager by not only winning a slam but becoming the youngest world number one in tennis history.

Djokovic will likely reclaim the crown he never really lost next year, because it is likely legitimacy will return full time next year.
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You live in USA? Any news about lifting COVID entrance ban? Miami and IW are closing...
 
PerilousPear

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Professional
Aussie Darcy said:
I mean imagine if he just got the vaccine and played those events like everyone else did? Then we wouldn't be left wondering and Djokovic wouldn't have destroyed his image and legacy globally. We can only imagine....
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Bold take here, but I think the side effects from the vaccine would've destroyed his career. Chardy style.
 
ChaelAZ

ChaelAZ

G.O.A.T.
*le sigh*

dud-missile-fail
 
ffw2

ffw2

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What's shell-ish about this headline...? :unsure:

He was looking for a Rona-festival opportunity, and he got one.

Next!
 
BrooklynNY

BrooklynNY

Hall of Fame
Novak would have likely finished his 8th year end number 1, with 400+ weeks at number 1 overall. He can probably still do that despite being barred from playing
 
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Lauren_Girl'

Professional
RaulRamirez said:
A. Missing tournanents because of injuries is different than missing tournaments because of "political decisions".
B. That said, as I agree with those "political decisions", I blame Novak for not complying with those regulations. (No, I don't agree with not awarding points for Wimbledon.) I don't want to debate this -- way too many discussions over this already.
C. Good on Alcaraz ...still ...for earning World #1. He controlled what he could, and played great this year.
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For the record, Djokovic has made made crystal clear Alcaraz is the true world number #1 in 2022. He just said it in an interview this week. Congratulated him, said he is the best better in the world and deserves it 100%. He isn't one bit mad about it. Maybe someone can post the link of the article.
That's very graceful for him. He could've easily deflected/dodged the question or started whining about this and that, and how he would still be #1 if and if and if...
 
M

mahatma

Hall of Fame
Novak has the record anyways which isn't going to get broken in about next 10 years, so it's all okay.

Though this was the one record which seemed so out of reach in 2011. But he has it and that too by this big a margin is utter dominance of the tour from 2011-2021. What a 11 year domination. Now others can have glory, Novak needs just a slam or 2 to seal the GOAT debate forever.
 
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