Bonjour from Babolat: Part Deux

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danbrenner said:
I'm sorry if this question has been asked and answered in this thread.
But when in each it he project one line being released. ? We're already at Wimbledon. It seems like a very late launch. The sticks ate already being used heavily by pros. The time is now ??
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All I can say right now is stay tuned. We'll have more information on it soon.
 
Hey Babolat Official, I'm curious about the new Pure Aero VS. Do you know if there will be a tour version and when it could be released? I need two sticks and I'm wondering if I should hold out or not depending on how long it may take. Thanks for the help!
John
 
On the Pure Aero VS, how close will the tolerances be? IS Babolat truly planning on making this a players racquet? It'd be great to pick up 2 off the shelf frames and have them weigh within a 1 gram of eachother, same balance, and swingweight. Players would pay for truly matched racquets. I know with my 4 Aero Storms, they weight, balance and swingweights of them all are so far apart. Ihave 1 that I've never even used because it is so far out of spec that I can't bring it in line (through customization) to my other Aero Storms.
 
neversaydienadalfan said:
Hey Babolat Official, I'm curious about the new Pure Aero VS. Do you know if there will be a tour version and when it could be released? I need two sticks and I'm wondering if I should hold out or not depending on how long it may take. Thanks for the help!
John
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The Stars & Stripes will not have a tour version, just standard. Stay tuned for more VS news.

QuadCam said:
On the Pure Aero VS, how close will the tolerances be? IS Babolat truly planning on making this a players racquet? It'd be great to pick up 2 off the shelf frames and have them weigh within a 1 gram of eachother, same balance, and swingweight. Players would pay for truly matched racquets. I know with my 4 Aero Storms, they weight, balance and swingweights of them all are so far apart. Ihave 1 that I've never even used because it is so far out of spec that I can't bring it in line (through customization) to my other Aero Storms.
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We strive to make sure all of our products meet the advertised specifications. Of course, with mass produced products, slight variations can occur. Our policy is if a racket is +/- 7 grams from what is advertised, it is viable for a warranty replacement. The Pure Aero VS, like all of our other rackets, will have our 1 year manufacturer's warranty.
 
Babolat Official said:
Our policy is if a racket is +/- 7 grams from what is advertised, it is viable for a warranty replacement. The Pure Aero VS, like all of our other rackets, will have our 1 year manufacturer's warranty.
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+/- 7 Grams..... that's a potential for up to a 14 gram shift in weight between racquets coming off an assembly line. That's 1/2 an ounce !

Is there any way to get factory matched racquets direct from Babolat?
 
BABOLAT OFFICIAL
Babolat Pure Aero VS Stars & Stripes just been released here in the US, but you know the date of availability for TW Europe (I will not order the US, import costs are too High for the purchase of 3 rackets)
thanks
 
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Hi Babolat Official,
Can you confirm whether or not there will be a tour version of the new aero storm model? I know the stars and stripes will only be available in standard, but just curious if there will be a heavier option, no matter the paint job. Thank you.
John
 
viddal'alien said:
BABOLAT OFFICIAL
Babolat Pure Aero VS Stars & Stripes just been released here in the US, but you know the date of availability for TW Europe (I will not order the US, import costs are too High for the purchase of 3 rackets)
thanks
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I will follow up on the Euro release for the VS. Stay tuned.

neversaydienadalfan said:
Hi Babolat Official,
Can you confirm whether or not there will be a tour version of the new aero storm model? I know the stars and stripes will only be available in standard, but just curious if there will be a heavier option, no matter the paint job. Thank you.
John
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Yes, there will be a Tour version in the near future. I can't say the release date yet, but expect it in the same cosmetic as the non-stars & stripes VS.
 
Just curious when Babalot is gonna come up with a 98 version of PURE DRIVE to snatch even the Wilson Burn 95/Tour 95/Steam 96 series players :)

-- I know many folks including some major conference college gals tried Pure Drive (just for the similar BEAM-SHAPE ALONE, they also tried Pure Control, Strikes and Aeros, even tried the old Aero Storms for the combo of 98 size and extreme aero beam-shape and did NOT like them) but stay put with Wilson, because of either the bigger head size or different beam-shapes of the Babolats.
 
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PaulC said:
Just curious when Babalot is gonna come up with a 98 version of PURE DRIVE to snatch even the Wilson Burn 95/Tour 95/Steam 96 series players :)

-- I know many folks including some major conference college gals tried Pure Drive (just for the similar BEAM-SHAPE ALONE, they also tried Pure Control, Strikes and Aeros, even tried the old Aero Storms for the combo of 98 size and extreme aero beam-shape and did NOT like them) but stay put with Wilson, because of either the bigger head size or different beam-shapes of the Babolats.
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That's a very interesting point. I'll share that feedback with our product team and let them know your thoughts. Thanks!
 
Could Babolat release a 'worn out' version of their Pure Drive series for those of us that cant let go of our now-softer racquets due to being strung a million times
 
QuadCam said:
+/- 7 Grams..... that's a potential for up to a 14 gram shift in weight between racquets coming off an assembly line. That's 1/2 an ounce !

Is there any way to get factory matched racquets direct from Babolat?
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You do realize that generic drug manufacturer's get away with similar 20% tolerances on critical medications. Going all Bold type over 12 gms of potential difference in racquet weights (that can easily be made up with a little lead or heaven forbid a thicker vibration dampener) is a bit over-dramatic.
 
Dartagnan64 said:
You do realize that generic drug manufacturer's get away with similar 20% tolerances on critical medications. Going all Bold type over 12 gms of potential difference in racquet weights (that can easily be made up with a little lead or heaven forbid a thicker vibration dampener) is a bit over-dramatic.
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a little lead??? Do you realize that 12 grams of lead is equal 48" of 1/4" lead tape? That's a lot of lead to place all over the place. The problem isn't customizing the racquet to make up a small difference between racquets. It's that you may end up with a racquet is too far out of range to customize so that it's the same as your other racquets. You can't take the weight out of it, and you really can't reduce the swingweight, either.
 
Tuskarr said:
Could Babolat release a 'worn out' version of their Pure Drive series for those of us that cant let go of our now-softer racquets due to being strung a million times
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Replicating the feeling of a racket strung many times over is quite a difficult thing to do. It's why we replace our pro players' frames in several batches each year. They hit so much and restring so much that if they kept the same frames in the rotation, they would get used to an irreplicable frame. There have been a few prominent cases of this on the ATP Tour.

For that reason, it would be tough to make a "worn out" frame, even more so when you consider the different types & varying degrees of "worn out" that players would experience.
 
TinTin 1 said:
I got 4 from Babolat and they said they can't match them but mine are 11, 11.1, 11.1, 11.2. Ounces with plastic and card header. All same balance.
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.2 oz is actually quite a bit, thats close to 6 grams.

QuadCam said:
On the Pure Aero VS, how close will the tolerances be? IS Babolat truly planning on making this a players racquet? It'd be great to pick up 2 off the shelf frames and have them weigh within a 1 gram of eachother, same balance, and swingweight. Players would pay for truly matched racquets. I know with my 4 Aero Storms, they weight, balance and swingweights of them all are so far apart. Ihave 1 that I've never even used because it is so far out of spec that I can't bring it in line (through customization) to my other Aero Storms.
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This was from my other thread:
Just FYI, my racket measured 317g with the plastic and racket card. Taking those off, the racket measured 296.5g with a balance of 32.0-.1cm.
So a 317g racket would probably be as close to listed spec as you will get. Some other rackets at the shop were measured at 320g and 323g with the plastic and card.
 
lidoazndiabloboi said:
.2 oz is actually quite a bit, thats close to 6 grams.



This was from my other thread:
Just FYI, my racket measured 317g with the plastic and racket card. Taking those off, the racket measured 296.5g with a balance of 32.0-.1cm.
So a 317g racket would probably be as close to listed spec as you will get. Some other rackets at the shop were measured at 320g and 323g with the plastic and card.
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My vibration dampener is .2 . Easy to ad an inch of lead if need be.
 
Babolat Official, I'm sorry to bring a counter to Babolat Review (I love a lot Babolat) but "Babolat" is sometimes next to the reason (commercially), I speak here of "pure aero VS" (stars & stripes).
me, paint other than "stars & stripes" not interested (in Europe and even in other countries, many people think like me) the black and yellow paint is nice (it's true) but much less than Version "stars & stripes" (beautiful) and when you decide not to sell in Europe this painting and especially ban tenniswarehouse USA to sell a internationnal, you create inequality and many people will be disappointed in your decision ( it is also my case)
 
Babolat Official said:
Replicating the feeling of a racket strung many times over is quite a difficult thing to do. It's why we replace our pro players' frames in several batches each year. They hit so much and restring so much that if they kept the same frames in the rotation, they would get used to an irreplicable frame. There have been a few prominent cases of this on the ATP Tour.

For that reason, it would be tough to make a "worn out" frame, even more so when you consider the different types & varying degrees of "worn out" that players would experience.
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Interesting - how often do pro players receive a new batch of frames in a year?
Can you share some stories (perhaps without name) where players asking to replicate a frame that they have gotten used to?
 
Hi Mansoor,

I've been using a PureAero Play for a while, but now the upper side of the frame has a rattling noise everytime I hit the ball. The root cause: a metal cable (sensor?) lose inside the frame, just in that area.

Is that a known issue with Play racquets overtime?
How could I fix it?
 
langdon0555 said:
@Babolat Official....Update on the bumper guard issue for the pure aeros?
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At the moment, we're still working on the solution. Stay tuned...

junbumkim said:
Interesting - how often do pro players receive a new batch of frames in a year?
Can you share some stories (perhaps without name) where players asking to replicate a frame that they have gotten used to?
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We give our players new frames every 2 - 4 months.

You can dig up some of these anecdotes, with included speculation, on the boards and the Pro Player Equipment section. Another story I have is one of Sam Stosur. When she first received the Pure Control, it wasn't the right stiffness for her. What we did to remedy this was to stringer her racket at very high tensions (90 - 100 lbs), cut the strings out, and repeat several times until it had the feel she wanted. We are not recommending this to consumers as it voids the warranty.

Though that's not quite the same story, it shows you how the repeated stringings altered the feel of the racket. As players will often experiment with stringing type and tension and hit a variety of different shots with the racket over it's lifetime, the identical wear and tear is not replicable. Thus, it's possible to get used to a racket that has, in effect, become one of a kind and near impossible to recreate.


Altav said:
Hi Mansoor,

I've been using a PureAero Play for a while, but now the upper side of the frame has a rattling noise everytime I hit the ball. The root cause: a metal cable (sensor?) lose inside the frame, just in that area.

Is that a known issue with Play racquets overtime?
How could I fix it?
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When you say there's a rattling noise on the upper side, you mean upper side as in towards the hoop of the racket, right? Is the Play technology still functioning properly, as in you're still able to turn on the racket and record a session?

My initial reaction to a rattle in the frame is drill flash or a piece of a grommet broken off and moving inside the frame. I'd double check your grommets first. If you don't notice broken grommets, can you confirm that the Play technology is still functioning?
 
Babolat Official said:
At the moment, we're still working on the solution. Stay tuned...



We give our players new frames every 2 - 4 months.

You can dig up some of these anecdotes, with included speculation, on the boards and the Pro Player Equipment section. Another story I have is one of Sam Stosur. When she first received the Pure Control, it wasn't the right stiffness for her. What we did to remedy this was to stringer her racket at very high tensions (90 - 100 lbs), cut the strings out, and repeat several times until it had the feel she wanted. We are not recommending this to consumers as it voids the warranty.

Though that's not quite the same story, it shows you how the repeated stringings altered the feel of the racket. As players will often experiment with stringing type and tension and hit a variety of different shots with the racket over it's lifetime, the identical wear and tear is not replicable. Thus, it's possible to get used to a racket that has, in effect, become one of a kind and near impossible to recreate.




When you say there's a rattling noise on the upper side, you mean upper side as in towards the hoop of the racket, right? Is the Play technology still functioning properly, as in you're still able to turn on the racket and record a session?

My initial reaction to a rattle in the frame is drill flash or a piece of a grommet broken off and moving inside the frame. I'd double check your grommets first. If you don't notice broken grommets, can you confirm that the Play technology is still functioning?
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So I'm guessing it's not going to get fixed anytime soon...

It's surprising that it's even an issue. How does that go as an oversight when designing the frame in the first place?
 
Babolat Official said:
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When you say there's a rattling noise on the upper side, you mean upper side as in towards the hoop of the racket, right?
Yes, between 9-12 o'clock.

Is the Play technology still functioning properly, as in you're still able to turn on the racket and record a session?

Yes, I'm able to use the Play technology without any issues (I.e. Record sessions, download,...). However, I have not tested its accuracy.

My initial reaction to a rattle in the frame is drill flash or a piece of a grommet broken off and moving inside the frame. I'd double check your grommets first. If you don't notice broken grommets, can you confirm that the Play technology is still functioning?
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That was the initial troubleshooting made by local Babolat expert, but he is not familiar with Play internals. We changed the groomets, we reviewed the drill holes looking for any lose piece of metal, etc. There is no noise of anything lose inside the frame when I move or shake the racquet, it rattles only when I hit the area I mentioned before. (9-12 o'clock)

By reviewing the holes he found what it looks like a metal sensor inside the hoop. When he accommodated that piece a little bit and strung the racquet, it worked for a while, but after some strokes the noise was back. It seems that this piece is lose(?) Is there a safe way to secure it? We could use silicon, but besides adding weight to the hoop, we do not know if that could impact Play accuracy.
How could we solve this issue?

Please take look to this picture (PureAero Play). By the way, this internal piece of metal is only visible in the holes of the 9-12' area, not in the rest of the frame.
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QuadCam said:
a little lead??? Do you realize that 12 grams of lead is equal 48" of 1/4" lead tape? That's a lot of lead to place all over the place. The problem isn't customizing the racquet to make up a small difference between racquets. It's that you may end up with a racquet is too far out of range to customize so that it's the same as your other racquets. You can't take the weight out of it, and you really can't reduce the swingweight, either.
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12 grams would be the extreme of differences you could be very unlucky to encounter. And while it seem like a lot, I can make that up pretty quickly with a heavy leather grip, silicone in handle, lead in hoop and a heavier vibration dampener. I just modded my old aeropro team to feel similar to my PD+ rackets and there is a 17 gm difference between those racquets.

Or you could just let your brain re-calculate for the slight differences you can't make up for. It's really an amazing organ if you'll let it do its job.
 
Altav said:
That was the initial troubleshooting made by local Babolat expert, but he is not familiar with Play internals. We changed the groomets, we reviewed the drill holes looking for any lose piece of metal, etc. There is no noise of anything lose inside the frame when I move or shake the racquet, it rattles only when I hit the area I mentioned before. (9-12 o'clock)

By reviewing the holes he found what it looks like a metal sensor inside the hoop. When he accommodated that piece a little bit and strung the racquet, it worked for a while, but after some strokes the noise was back. It seems that this piece is lose(?) Is there a safe way to secure it? We could use silicon, but besides adding weight to the hoop, we do not know if that could impact Play accuracy.
How could we solve this issue?

Please take look to this picture (PureAero Play). By the way, this internal piece of metal is only visible in the holes of the 9-12' area, not in the rest of the frame.
fPeefE.jpg
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Can you shoot me an e-mail? msafi@babolat.com

We can troubleshoot further and figure out what's going on.

MattCrosby said:
Mansour/Babolat


Will the Pure Aero VS be Available in the UK anytime soon? The S&S Version? Thanks
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I'll follow up on this.

viddal'alien said:
@Babolat Official I have an equipment question for you:

Babolat Aero Storm & Storm Tour MP Grommets are same as "pure aero VS stars & stripes" ??
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I'll believe so, but I'll double check with our product team. Stay tuned.
 
danbrenner said:
I'm sorry if this question has been asked and answered in this thread.
But when in each it he project one line being released. ? We're already at Wimbledon. It seems like a very late launch. The sticks ate already being used heavily by pros. The time is now ??
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I think they're still being tested by pros. I am guessing a release between around US open to to January.
 
@Babolat Official will you guys be bringing out a pure aero vs plus? Pure aero vs tour? PUre aero vs tour plus?

And...

1. What vs models will be available in AUSTRALIA?
2. When is the release date on the vs frames globally?

And...

Any update on spec's and release date of pure strike CTRLS???
 
Guy Sancataldo said:
@Babolat Official will you guys be bringing out a pure aero vs plus? Pure aero vs tour? PUre aero vs tour plus?

And...

1. What vs models will be available in AUSTRALIA?
2. When is the release date on the vs frames globally?

And...

Any update on spec's and release date of pure strike CTRLS???
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No plans for a Pure Aero VS plus or tour plus. There will be a Tour version, in addition to the regular in the standard cosmetic. Stay tuned on release dates for both.

As for the Pure Strike CTRLs, they'll be released with the new Pure Strike line. All I can say for the moment is a 2017 launch.

KluddKalle said:
@Babolat Official hey, noticed that a new firmware is released for POP. Anything to be excited about? :)
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Yes, shortened sync times and bug improvements :)
 
@Babolat Official any chance these classic strings making a comeback?
Babolat Super Fine Play
Babolat VF
Babolat VF Titanium
Babolat Syntronic Brio
Babolat FiberTour
Babolat ZF
And of course another call for Babolat VS Gut without BT7
 
Alexrb said:
Just pay the $10 to have them matched if it bothers you so much.
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Thought I'd post the matching specs I requested (and paid for) from TWE for a PST and a PS16x19.

PST:
Weight Swing weight Balance Flex
1.312 217 31.3 68
2.317 286 31.0 68
3.318 287 31.1 67
4.318 286 31.1 69
5.317 293 31.6 69
6.321 290 31.2 68

PS16x19:
weight swing-weight balance flex
1 306 289 31.6 67
2 308 293 31.7 69
3 307 291 31.6 65
4 306 287 31.5 66
5 302 291 32.1 66
6 304 290 31.8 66

With the exception of the odd one out (PST #1), which may or may not have been a typo or an error in the measuring process, the specs are very similar.

This tells me that if you buy random, of the shelf, someone is going to get the odd one out, like the Yonex DG330 with a 354 SW. Or an RF97A with a 308 SW. I know I did, I got a Prince TT95 with a 304 SW and a 330+ g static weight.

What is much more important than focusing blindly on one spec (static weight) is to evaluate several metrics at the same time. You can then either choose two frames with almost the same metrics, or two frames that will let you customize them to your preferred exact, identical specs.
 
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