Bonjour from Babolat: Part Trois

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Can you explain what you mean by this in a bit greater detail please?
I got used to Pure aero. this pure drive just felt slower coming forward and accelerating, especially when the ball is deep in the corner with pace and i have take it on rise. but it isn't slow like sluggish slow. I probably just got used to that pure aero being able to cut thru the air faster.

But oddly though on the volleys, this new pure drive didn't feel slow at all. it felt like a good serve and volley racket as well.
 
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Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
@Babolat Official , With the recent proliferation of low RA racquets from various manufacturers and some in rather narrow beams, I vote for an update of 16x20 Pure Storm GTish just as a side hustle. I love me some Pure Storm GT/GT Tour/GT LTD. Heck, at my age I would love to see one in 110-112 in 18x19/20.
Hi gray,

As you probably know, the Pure Storm was rebranded as the Pure Strike VS with the same basic specs. There will be a new Pure Strike VS coming out later this year or early next, and I will let everyone know more about once I am updated on it. Thanks!

Josh
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
Hello Josh,

Since you mentioned you folks gonna have your Sales Meeting end of month...

A feedback: The current 2 VS (PA and PD) frames received generally favorable feedbacks from users, however sales figures may not reflect that. (compared to regular PA and PDs at least)

My take: while it's understandable that they may be priced a bit higher to re-capture the R & D costs for new models, they may not be priced for sales success at this point.

May be a lower price point (a bit lower than even regular PA and PDs) may help boosting their sales figures.

If the next gens of them are in planning, then I 'd suggest make them a tad heavier but still below 11.2 oz unstrung would be great.

Have a good one!
 
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If the next gens of them are in planning, then I 'd suggest make them a tad heavier but still below 11.2 oz unstrung would be great.
I would prefer to see them 305 grams static weight, 6 Point Head Light, unstrung. That leaves plenty of room for customisation.
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
BTW, since we are talking about the VS frames.

PD and PA VSs are the examples that the center main spacing does NOT need to be as dense as the current PS 16X19s.

As I suggested before: a version of PS or PS Tour 16X19 with center main spacing SAME as the slightly more open PD/PA/PS VSs would be great.

On another crazy thought, go the Djoker route, we can also do a PS 18X19 for those dense main lovers of current PS 16X19 users who hate the more open center mains of PD/PA/PS VSs :)

If they hate the more open center mains, then PS 18X19 should work for them perfectly, why waste the 16X19 design for denser mains lovers? Just a thought. :D
 
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Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
BTW, since we are talking about the VS frames.

PD and PA VSs are the examples that the center main spacing does NOT need to be as dense as the current PS 16X19s.

As I suggested before: a version of PS or PS Tour 16X19 with center main spacing SAME as the slightly more open PD/PA/PS VSs would be great.

On another crazy thought, go the Djoker route, we can also do a PS 18X19 for those dense main lovers of current PS 16X19 users who hate the more open center mains of PD/PA/PS VSs :)

If they hate the more open center mains, then PS 18X19 should work for them perfectly, why waste the 16X19 design for denser mains lovers? Just a thought. :D
BTW, since we are talking about the VS frames.

PD and PA VSs are the examples that the center main spacing does NOT need to be as dense as the current PS 16X19s.

As I suggested before: a version of PS or PS Tour 16X19 with center main spacing SAME as the slightly more open PD/PA/PS VSs would be great.

On another crazy thought, go the Djoker route, we can also do a PS 18X19 for those dense main lovers of current PS 16X19 users who hate the more open center mains of PD/PA/PS VSs :)

If they hate the more open center mains, then PS 18X19 should work for them perfectly, why waste the 16X19 design for denser mains lovers? Just a thought. :D

Thanks for the feedback gents! I will be sure to pass it along.

Josh
 

topspn

Legend
BTW, since we are talking about the VS frames.

PD and PA VSs are the examples that the center main spacing does NOT need to be as dense as the current PS 16X19s.

As I suggested before: a version of PS or PS Tour 16X19 with center main spacing SAME as the slightly more open PD/PA/PS VSs would be great.

On another crazy thought, go the Djoker route, we can also do a PS 18X19 for those dense main lovers of current PS 16X19 users who hate the more open center mains of PD/PA/PS VSs :)

If they hate the more open center mains, then PS 18X19 should work for them perfectly, why waste the 16X19 design for denser mains lovers? Just a thought. :D
Simple, you get the advantage of the open 16x19 forgiveness when you hit out of the sweet sport, however 8 mains in the throat gives higher precision and control. An 18x20 is a totally different animal.
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
Simple, you get the advantage of the open 16x19 forgiveness when you hit out of the sweet sport, however 8 mains in the throat gives higher precision and control. An 18x20 is a totally different animal.
It depends on swing style...

The current dense PS 16X19 may make sense for "snap-smack" style FH hitters, but definitely not Nadal-ish style true-topspin swings.

Whereas a Djokovic style PS 18X19 and a separate new PS 16X19 with current PA/PD/PS VSs main spacing can take care of BOTH crowds easily.

(But NOT the current PS 16X19, which I and some others still prefer the PCT/PSVST main spacing., which stopped us from switch to PS 16X19, even though we like the modern firm feel of the PS 16X19)

I have NOT even met one PS 16X19 user who have also hit with a Pure Control/Pure Storm/PS VS 98 or even the current 2 PA/PD VSs think that the center main spacing of these frames are too open for them.

(Same 8 mains on throat bridge for PC/PStorm/PS VS, even though PA/PD VS got 6 strings on bridge, but they got similar center main spacing if you measure them)

They are all NOT that open to begin with anyway.
 
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topspn

Legend
It depends on swing style...

The current dense PS 16X19 may make sense for "snap-smack" style FH hitters, but definitely not Nadal-ish style true-topspin swings.

Whereas a Djokovic style PS 18X19 and a separate new PS 16X19 with current PA/PD/PS VSs main spacing can take care of BOTH crowds easily.

(But NOT the current PS 16X19, which I and some others still prefer the PCT/PSVST main spacing., which stopped us from switch to PS 16X19, even though we like the modern firm feel of the PS 16X19)

I have NOT even met one PS 16X19 user who have also hit with a Pure Control/Pure Storm/PS VS 98 or even the current 2 PA/PD VSs think that the center main spacing of these frames are too open for them.

(Same 8 mains on throat bridge for PC/PStorm/PS VS, even though PA/PD VS got 6 strings on bridge, but they got similar center main spacing if you measure them)

They are all NOT that open to begin with anyway.
You have categories things for your thinking, however there are many that love the string drill pattern of the PS 16x19 and in fact look for it in 16x19s. If you want tweener like frame, there are so many with the higher launch angle and fit a baseline loopy stroke if that. However there are many that have a more all court game and enjoy having more control over their launch angle. So can go more loopy by adjusting their strokes or hit more driving through the court and get precision. The PS is very well liked and popular exactly for those reasons so their drill pattern is just perfect for many
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
You have categories things for your thinking, however there are many that love the string drill pattern of the PS 16x19 and in fact look for it in 16x19s. If you want tweener like frame, there are so many with the higher launch angle and fit a baseline loopy stroke if that. However there are many that have a more all court game and enjoy having more control over their launch angle. So can go more loopy by adjusting their strokes or hit more driving through the court and get precision. The PS is very well liked and popular exactly for those reasons so their drill pattern is just perfect for many
True. It's just my opinion.

And lets not forget: I am suggesting ADDING a version of new PS 16X19, may be a new Tour version, NOT replacing the current one.

And have you tried a 18X17 like the old Wilson PS 97S? Or the Bab PC /PS VS?

How do you know those current PS 16X19 users won't like a similar 18X19 or a PS VS-ish PATTERN on a PS 16X19 better?

There is currently NONE on the Babolat line for them to compare.

(which is why I can equally say these current PS 16X19 users may just like them better, if these better alternatives are available for them)

Which is also why I suggest a "Split Test" of my suggested 2 additional models, at least for a focus group to test them out.

BTW, higher initial launch angle (ILA )does not always equates higher spin or arc production, at least for me. I PERSONALLY believe it is the reason why there is no spin monster using PS 16X19, Wilson PS 97S or other "Spin Effects" models.

I consider all these dense main 16X19s and Wilson Spin Effects models same category of frames, and are what I called FAKE SPIN frames.

They may even produce higher ILA or RPM, but they don't produce a full natural arc like other normal 16X19s during a topspin swing (Nadal-ish ones)

I PERSONALLY suspect it also leads to Dimitrov's abnormally high second serve errors, compared to when he used either 18X20, or 16X19s.

May be he should try a 18X19 like Djoker, or go back to a normal 16X19, IMO. :)
 
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widefoot

New User
Hi widefoot,

Sorry for the late reply. At this point, from what I can tell, looks like we will have more of the Pure Strike USA and Pure Strike Japan. There may be more outside of the US, but that is what I can confirm we have coming.

Josh
Thanks Josh. No problem on the delay and appreciate the information.
 
the Pure Strike USA and Pure Strike Japan.
Hi Josh,

With all the talk about different Flag PJs for Babolat racquets ...

Why not produce a "GLOBAL EDITION"... a PJ that encompasses many different Flags of tennis playing countries incorporated into the PJ of the frame?

Alternatively, what about a "GRAND SLAM EDITION" that includes the flags of Australia, France, UK, and USA?
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Hi Josh,

With all the talk about different Flag PJs for Babolat racquets ...

Why not produce a "GLOBAL EDITION"... a PJ that encompasses many different Flags of tennis playing countries incorporated into the PJ of the frame?

Alternatively, what about a "GRAND SLAM EDITION" that includes the flags of Australia, France, UK, and USA?
Hi Karma,

Those are both great ideas! I will forward them along and we'll have to see what comes of them.

Thanks!

Josh
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
Hi Karma,

Those are both great ideas! I will forward them along and we'll have to see what comes of them.

Thanks!

Josh
Josh, have you tried the new pure drive ? if so how do you like it ? I am definitely thinking about switching but only had chance to try it couple of times with demo. TW wanted the Demos back so i had to send it back. Trying to decide if i should just buy one so that i can try it anytime i have the chance ? Definitely insanely good serving racket, but bit slow on the backhand side on the forward swing. bit strange but that's what i noticed so far from only trying it 2 times on the court.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
RPM & GUT hybrid is the obvious choice

experiment with which string is in mains, tensions, etc.
Thank you for the input. You seem like a real expert. i have one more question. I have experimented with poly/multi combo and i feel like it is easier on the arm, however, amount of Spin i can generate is compromised a great deal. I can generate so much more spin with Full bed of poly, not even funny. but of course there is slight decrease in power level with combo. But i just don't think it is huge difference, slight decrease in power, not much. so my question is should i just go with full bed of poly ?? i get more control too with full bed of course due to higher level of spin generation.

I tried the full bed of RPM spin, surprisingly soft string with good generation of spin. Power level was decent, of course not as high of power as if i hybrid it.

What about RPM blast ? should i just try the full bed of RPM blast ? since RPM spin was pretty good. should i try the full bed of Solinco confidential ?
 
Thank you for the input. You seem like a real expert. i have one more question. I have experimented with poly/multi combo and i feel like it is easier on the arm, however, amount of Spin i can generate is compromised a great deal. I can generate so much more spin with Full bed of poly, not even funny. but of course there is slight decrease in power level with combo. But i just don't think it is huge difference, slight decrease in power, not much. so my question is should i just go with full bed of poly ?? i get more control too with full bed of course due to higher level of spin generation.

I tried the full bed of RPM spin, surprisingly soft string with good generation of spin. Power level was decent, of course not as high of power as if i hybrid it.

What about RPM blast ? should i just try the full bed of RPM blast ? since RPM spin was pretty good. should i try the full bed of Solinco confidential ?
yes
 

JEDI MASTER

Semi-Pro
Thank you for the input. You seem like a real expert. i have one more question. I have experimented with poly/multi combo and i feel like it is easier on the arm, however, amount of Spin i can generate is compromised a great deal. I can generate so much more spin with Full bed of poly, not even funny. but of course there is slight decrease in power level with combo. But i just don't think it is huge difference, slight decrease in power, not much. so my question is should i just go with full bed of poly ?? i get more control too with full bed of course due to higher level of spin generation.

I tried the full bed of RPM spin, surprisingly soft string with good generation of spin. Power level was decent, of course not as high of power as if i hybrid it.

What about RPM blast ? should i just try the full bed of RPM blast ? since RPM spin was pretty good. should i try the full bed of Solinco confidential ?
yes.. Full bed of Confidential!

i have it on my '20 Aero VS at 52#

RPM & GUT hybrid is the obvious choice

experiment with which string is in mains, tensions, etc.
I've tried this combo.. but the RPM dies off too fast... Champs Choice is my Favorite..
especially on my RF97
 
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Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
yes.. Full bed of Confidential!

i have it on my '20 Aero VS at 52#



I've tried this combo.. but the RPM dies off too fast... Champs Choice is my Favorite..
especially on my RF97
Do you prefer the full bed of confidential over full bed of RPM blast or RPM spin ? if so why
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
@PaulC if you want more open pattern, just switch to thinner strings. Thicker strings will produce denser pattern feel while thinner strings provide more open pattern feel. I feel like Pure strike 3rd gen string pattern is quite open for an 8 main throat racquet compared to my vcore pro 97 310g racquet. Strings started moving around after just a few hrs of play in freshly strung pure strike.
 

PaulC

Semi-Pro
@PaulC if you want more open pattern, just switch to thinner strings. Thicker strings will produce denser pattern feel while thinner strings provide more open pattern feel. I feel like Pure strike 3rd gen string pattern is quite open for an 8 main throat racquet compared to my vcore pro 97 310g racquet. Strings started moving around after just a few hrs of play in freshly strung pure strike.
Thanks for the input blai212...

Just an FYI, my main stings are already 1.15, and crosses are 1.10 at times.

Have you hit with a Pure Strike VS Tour or Pure Control Tour? They are also 8 mains on the throat bridge too, but the center main spacing are more REASONABLY distributed for me.

Even though they are 16X20s, they play like any other NORMAL 16X19 for me.

But they aren't that open so that the control of the frames are worse than 18 main frames either. I just wish PS has the same MAIN pattern.

Personally I don't care how open the crosses are, I just ABHOR the what I called FAKE open patterns (or those Wilson 18X16 or 18X17) with dense center mains with a passion, hate is not even a strong enough word for me...

(And I have no problem with the TRUE dense 18X20 patterns, considered I have played with a Head PC 600 mid, and Dunlop Revelation 200G 95 as main sticks for some time)

Regarding PS 3G is more open than Yonex VCP 97, if we are talking about the CENTER MAINS, I respectfully disagree.

I don't have a VCP 97, but I do have the older 1st gen VC Tour 97 310 (which *main* pattern is similar) to compare.

The CENTER 4-6 MAINS (that's all I care) of the Yonex is much more open than the PS (2mm or so each space)

One's gold is another's garbage, and vice versa. Different strokes, different folks, I guess. :rolleyes:
 
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JEDI MASTER

Semi-Pro
Do you prefer the full bed of confidential over full bed of RPM blast or RPM spin ? if so why
to me RPM is too stiff and dies off too quickly...

Full Bed of Confidential has the right amount of stiffness and yet easy on the arm.. falls in between Hyper G and Tourbite.
and has excellent tension maintenance..
 

blai212

Hall of Fame
Thanks for the input blai212...

Just an FYI, my main stings are already 1.15, and crosses are 1.10 at times.

Have you hit with a Pure Strike VS Tour or Pure Control Tour? They are also 8 mains on the throat bridge too, but the center main spacing are more REASONABLY distributed for me.

Even though they are 16X20s, they play like any other NORMAL 16X19 for me.

But they aren't that open so that the control of the frames are worse than 18 main frames either. I just wish PS has the same MAIN pattern.

Personally I don't care how open the crosses are, I just ABHOR the what I called FAKE open patterns (or those Wilson 18X16 or 18X17) with dense center mains with a passion, hate is not even a strong enough word for me...

(And I have no problem with the TRUE dense 18X20 patterns, considered I have played with a Head PC 600 mid, and Dunlop Revelation 200G 95 as main sticks for some time)

Regarding PS 3G is more open than Yonex VCP 97, if we are talking about the CENTER MAINS, I respectfully disagree.

I don't have a VCP 97, but I do have the older 1st gen VC Tour 97 310 (which *main* pattern is similar) to compare.

The CENTER 4-6 MAINS (that's all I care) of the Yonex is much more open than the PS (2mm or so each space)

One's gold is another's garbage, and vice versa. Different strokes, different folks, I guess. :rolleyes:
Briefly owned pure control tour many moons ago but don’t remember much about it. Never really could discern much between 16x19 except if it’s super big difference in openness. I just notice from when strings start moving around. If you want tighter string pattern then just go yonex
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
to me RPM is too stiff and dies off too quickly...

Full Bed of Confidential has the right amount of stiffness and yet easy on the arm.. falls in between Hyper G and Tourbite.
and has excellent tension maintenance..
Not sure if you tried the RPM spin, but that poly is really soft, one of the softer polys out there. totally unlike the RPM blast
 
hi anyone any info on next gen aero / dates etc?
You probably know that the APD / PA are released on a 3 year cycle.

Current PA was the 2019 model and appeared in late 2018. The recent PA Rafa is simply a PA 2019 with the PJ Rafa has been using for the last year or so. (Given that Babolat no longer has the Roland Garros Sponsorship it is unlikely to release an RG PJ edition so the PA RAFA PJ makes sense.)

One would think the next standard version PA wil be the PA 2022 model and we might see it later this year. Although the whole global pandemic thing might throw this out of whack. Time will tell.
 

innoVAShaun

Hall of Fame
You probably know that the APD / PA are released on a 3 year cycle.

Current PA was the 2019 model and appeared in late 2018. The recent PA Rafa is simply a PA 2019 with the PJ Rafa has been using for the last year or so. (Given that Babolat no longer has the Roland Garros Sponsorship it is unlikely to release an RG PJ edition so the PA RAFA PJ makes sense.)

One would think the next standard version PA wil be the PA 2022 model and we might see it later this year. Although the whole global pandemic thing might throw this out of whack. Time will tell.
Out of whack indeed. Threw off their Olympics campaign and now the PARafa 2020 released in 2021:

 

serveitup911

Semi-Pro
@Babolat Official
Any plans to bring back the Pure Drive Tour Plus?
I am a dedicated plus length racquet user and am sad to see it’s going to be hard to replace my 2012 Pure Drive Roddick GT Plus frames that are getting worn out.
I have tried weighting the new Pure Drive Plus to similar weight and balance as the tour version, but it just doesn’t feel right.
 

jmacdaununder2

Hall of Fame
I've been wondering if it was worth trying to do this; theoretically the only difference between the 300g and 315g versions is the longitudinally placed lead weights inside the metal handle lattice. Heavily leaded up racquets never seem to feel quite as solid as inherently weighty ones, but in this instance it's not like there's much if any inherent variation between the Tours and non Tours. I enjoyed the Smurf Tour+ I demoed and was also disappointed to learn that the Tour+ was to be canned. Haven't bothered with Babs since.
 
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Jster

Professional
@Babolat Official
i have a few questions for you
1) Is "Sg Spiraltek" the same as "Syn Gut" .
1a) If yes , why it is no longer produced in Taiwan? I saw the packaging on the reel as made in China.
1b) If Sg Spiraltek is not the same as "Syn Gut", is Synthetic Gut 200m (code : 243121) the same as Syn Gut 200m (code :243144)?


By the way, there is a major typo error in most if not all official babolat website if the product "Syn Gut" is on display. The correct manufacturing country should be China instead of Vietnam.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
hi anyone any info on next gen aero / dates etc?
Hi Michael,

I haven't heard anything yet, no. My guess is that with the ongoing Covid situation especially as it relates to the global supply chain, we likely won't see it until 2022, instead of a 4th quarter release in this year. Don't quote me on that , but I will try to find out for you. Our sales meeting that was supposed to happen last month is happening later this month, so hopefully I get an update. Thanks!

-Josh
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
@Babolat Official are you planning guys to bring back original Aero Strom / Pure Aero VS (2016) design, but with 100'' head, into your new line in the near future?
Hi Lavs,

I haven't heard of any plans to expand the Pure Aero VS family as of yet. We're still focusing our attention on the release of the Pure Strike VS, so I don't think it will be anytime soon. If I hear anything, I will do my best to let you know. Thanks!

-Josh
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
@Babolat Official
Any plans to bring back the Pure Drive Tour Plus?
I am a dedicated plus length racquet user and am sad to see it’s going to be hard to replace my 2012 Pure Drive Roddick GT Plus frames that are getting worn out.
I have tried weighting the new Pure Drive Plus to similar weight and balance as the tour version, but it just doesn’t feel right.
Hi Serveitup,

i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no, i haven't heard of any plans to bring back the pure Drive Tour +. Perhaps in the next gen, but that will be a couple years of course. I hear what you;re saying about customizing the Pure Drive + as well. Even if you can match the weight,balance and swingweight, it's not going to feel the same to everyone unfortunately. Sorry!

-Josh
 
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