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Babolat Official

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Well, can anyone help me? http://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/showthread.php?t=454144
Would Pure Drive be a good choice? I'm also interested in trying the new Aero. I'm so confused :D

I'm going to echo the sentiments of others on this board. If you have the ability to playtest...do it. We can debate the merits of a racquet until we go blue in the face (or is it fingers because we are on a message board), but until you get the racquets in your hands and string them up, we can only postulate.

TW has a solid demo program.
 

Mick3391

Professional
Welcome to the family!

Yea, I still hate you guys, you have no heritage or heart, look at your response, says it all.

My son hates it also, but as he says "Heh, can we repaint this so no one will know, I can play better with it, so I'd rather win".

Can't wait until Wilson comes out with a racquet that is similar, will switch back in a second.
 

Francis27

Semi-Pro
Yea, I still hate you guys, you have no heritage or heart, look at your response, says it all.

My son hates it also, but as he says "Heh, can we repaint this so no one will know, I can play better with it, so I'd rather win".

Can't wait until Wilson comes out with a racquet that is similar, will switch back in a second.

Thats a little harsh...
 

Roger Wawrinka

Professional
Yea, I still hate you guys, you have no heritage or heart, look at your response, says it all.

My son hates it also, but as he says "Heh, can we repaint this so no one will know, I can play better with it, so I'd rather win".

Can't wait until Wilson comes out with a racquet that is similar, will switch back in a second.


If you hated the brand that much you would not use it. And why do you think they have no heart or heritage, if you ask me I think Wilson has the worst customer service. There are lots of racquets that are close to the PD.
 

Mick3391

Professional
Thats a little harsh...

Have you ever hated anything? Have you lied that you didn't? I don't lie.

My point is that Wilson has a heritage that emotionally gets to me, all the great hero's, Pete, Roger, etc.

I'm sorry that I don't lie to you, but yea that's how I FEEL, sorry, but Babs to me are mechanical pieces of graphite without any venerableness.
 

Mick3391

Professional
If you hated the brand that much you would not use it. And why do you think they have no heart or heritage, if you ask me I think Wilson has the worst customer service. There are lots of racquets that are close to the PD.

Another genius, "If you hated it that much you wouldn't use it"! My POINT, if you have an IQ is that "I DO hate Bab but am switching", get it?
 

WhereIsMacMac

Professional
Yea, I still hate you guys, you have no heritage or heart, look at your response, says it all.

My son hates it also, but as he says "Heh, can we repaint this so no one will know, I can play better with it, so I'd rather win".

Can't wait until Wilson comes out with a racquet that is similar, will switch back in a second.

Doesn't matter what brand you use, why? are you a sponsored player?
 
Certainly there are many companies that you could justifiably question 'heritage'...but give a thought to what brand of gut was in many of the frames that won Grand Slams for years and years. Whether you like their frames or not, they are clearly a long standing part of tennis history.
 

Tennusdude

Semi-Pro
I can confidently say we do not design products with the intention of causing arm pain. Sorry to hear about your arm pain. What type of string are you using and what is your playing level & style?

Our product team customizes racquets for many of our players. Other players choose to use independent racquet technicians.

I also find that Babolat Rackets are not for tennis players with arm problems or who have had arm pain in the past.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Yea, I still hate you guys, you have no heritage or heart, look at your response, says it all.

My son hates it also, but as he says "Heh, can we repaint this so no one will know, I can play better with it, so I'd rather win".

Can't wait until Wilson comes out with a racquet that is similar, will switch back in a second.

Have fun out there.
 

Babolat Official

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Certainly there are many companies that you could justifiably question 'heritage'...but give a thought to what brand of gut was in many of the frames that won Grand Slams for years and years. Whether you like their frames or not, they are clearly a long standing part of tennis history.

We invented tennis string in 1875. Wimbledon, the first tennis tournament in the world, started in 1877.

We all have different definitions of heritage.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
What will be different for the 2014 model of the Pure Storm Ltds? Any new tech or any different specs?

We will have a new model in 2014. Not sure on specifics updates. It is more traditional "players" frame, so I can't image it will veer to much from it's heritage. We'll probably have more info as we get closer to 2014.
 

dje31

Professional
Flipped on Tennis Channel while waking up this morning to see the tail end of Chang playing McEnroe. Chang had been using an APD (or PJ of such) for a while now, but this looked more blacked-out with the old style white logo marks @ 4 & 8. Also, looked more like a thinner, traditional beam (box even?), instead of an aero profile. Perhaps a proto of the '14 Storm / Control replacement? Something else PJ'ed for Babolat? Of course, I may have just been groggy and not seeing right.

It was part of the Powershares Series, this one from Tampa, so it's current.

Anyone see this? Have any insight?
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Flipped on Tennis Channel while waking up this morning to see the tail end of Chang playing McEnroe. Chang had been using an APD (or PJ of such) for a while now, but this looked more blacked-out with the old style white logo marks @ 4 & 8. Also, looked more like a thinner, traditional beam (box even?), instead of an aero profile. Perhaps a proto of the '14 Storm / Control replacement? Something else PJ'ed for Babolat? Of course, I may have just been groggy and not seeing right.

It was part of the Powershares Series, this one from Tampa, so it's current.

Anyone see this? Have any insight?

Chang uses the new Aeropro Drive Plus. However, he customizes with an impressive amount of weight and maybe something with the handle shape (we just sent 10 new APDs to Bosworth).

Chang recently switched from the Pure Drive Plus.
 

Mick3391

Professional
Man I'm sorry but what an absolutely juvenile post.......Babolat has a history in tennis that goes back over 100yrs. Aside from the sticks that have been around less than 20yrs - the VS logo and the original Babolat-Maillot-Wit name is tennis.

Just about EVERY great player has or is playing with VS strings - just look at any old player pictures from the 60s, 70s and even 80s and just look at all the VS stencils. Many strung on VS machines - or my favorite the Rasta VS wristbands Noah wore in the early to mid 80s:)

Yea but they haven't had racquets out until 1994, and to me they represent the "Modern Game".

Heh, I switched, but I feel like I'm playing with a something without heart, that's hard to explain, but it's how I feel.
 

Mick3391

Professional
We invented tennis string in 1875. Wimbledon, the first tennis tournament in the world, started in 1877.

We all have different definitions of heritage.

Strings is a long way from the emotional attachment to racquets.

That's like saying someone can have an emotional attachment to KIA because Goodyear has always made tires.
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Mick if you want a Babolat with soul, try the Pure Storms. Box beam and classic feel. I have wilson Blades and the Wilson feel is a lot different. I like both.
 

NYCEnglish

New User
What has emotional attachment got to do with heritage? All Babolat guy was saying was about heritage, not emotions.



Strings is a long way from the emotional attachment to racquets.

That's like saying someone can have an emotional attachment to KIA because Goodyear has always made tires.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
What has emotional attachment got to do with heritage? All Babolat guy was saying was about heritage, not emotions.

While we're talking about emotions...why not pick up a set of Hurricane "Feel"?

Just kidding. I'm working on my shameless product plugs.

Happy Valentine's day all.
 

ChicagoJack

Hall of Fame
Have you ever hated anything? Have you lied that you didn't? I don't lie. My point is that Wilson has a heritage that emotionally gets to me, all the great hero's, Pete, Roger, etc. I'm sorry that I don't lie to you, but yea that's how I FEEL, sorry, but Babs to me are mechanical pieces of graphite without any venerableness.

Mick,

OY. Perhaps I might offer you a quick geography lesson.

1. Emotional connections and feelings are located within you. These feelings are internal.

2. Over where the racquet is, you will find nothing but graphite, paint, and string.

3. I invite you to consider that what you are doing is assigning internal feelings to external objects. You are then behaving like the objects themselves have caused those feelings and meanings.

4. Your notion here seems to be that Babolat racquets are a proxy for all you think is wrong with the modern game, lacking a reverence for the past. That's your deal, you made that up. The racquet is just paint, graphite and string. If you dont like what you have made that graphite, paint and string mean, just make it mean something else, because it's all just pure invention anyways.

-Jack
 
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Drew_a_blank

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A question about insoles..

Hey Babolat Official,

First, thanks for all of the questions you have been answering so far.

I've got a question about how to get extra/replacement insoles for the ProPulse 3's. I tend to wear through the insoles, getting a hole in them around the balls of my feet, before the Outsole wears out, which results in several weeks of having to deal with a hole inside my shoe before the shoe wears enough to be sent in for the warranty, or purchasing my next set.

I've talked to my local tennis shop, but he said there wasn't anything he could do. Is there any way of ordering extra insoles for the shoes? I would like to not have to purchase an aftermarket insole that may not fit as well.

Also, while I've got your attention, will the ProPulse 4's have an increased durability in the outsole, or will it be about the same?

Thanks so much!
 

Babolat Official

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Hey Babolat Official,

First, thanks for all of the questions you have been answering so far.

I've got a question about how to get extra/replacement insoles for the ProPulse 3's. I tend to wear through the insoles, getting a hole in them around the balls of my feet, before the Outsole wears out, which results in several weeks of having to deal with a hole inside my shoe before the shoe wears enough to be sent in for the warranty, or purchasing my next set.

I've talked to my local tennis shop, but he said there wasn't anything he could do. Is there any way of ordering extra insoles for the shoes? I would like to not have to purchase an aftermarket insole that may not fit as well.

Also, while I've got your attention, will the ProPulse 4's have an increased durability in the outsole, or will it be about the same?

Thanks so much!

Sorry to hear about that. I just spoke to our warranty department, and they said you can send the shoe in through your retailer (yes, for the insole). If there is any issue with your retailer, email me dbecker@babolat.com and the specific name/location.

The Propulse 4 got a new sole, which should offer an increase in durability. The Propulse 3 was the first Babolat shoe I really liked, and the 4 build well on the progress we made. I've only played about 10 hours in them, so I can't speak to long term durability from a first hand experience quite yet.

Hope that helps!
 
Mick,

OY. Perhaps I might offer you a quick geography lesson.

1. Emotional connections and feelings are located within you. These feelings are internal.

2. Over where the racquet is, you will find nothing but graphite, paint, and string.

3. I invite you to consider that what you are doing is assigning internal feelings to external objects. You are then behaving like the objects themselves have caused those feelings and meanings.

4. Your notion here seems to be that Babolat racquets are a proxy for all you think is wrong with the modern game, lacking a reverence for the past. That's your deal, you made that up. The racquet is just paint, graphite and string. If you dont like what you have made that graphite, paint and string mean, just make it mean something else, because it's all just pure invention anyways.

-Jack

well said, sir! my own personal associations, i can't see the 'soul' in wilson rackets- they have so much market share, seem so mass produced, although i like them okay and used to play them back in the day. it's all subjective, like you say. i love babolat's history, back in the eighties the babolat logo used to make my head spin. i went to tennis camp with a kid from eastern europe, and i remember he had all babolat gear and i wanted it so bad.
 

db10s

Hall of Fame
well said, sir! my own personal associations, i can't see the 'soul' in wilson rackets- they have so much market share, seem so mass produced, although i like them okay and used to play them back in the day. it's all subjective, like you say. i love babolat's history, back in the eighties the babolat logo used to make my head spin. i went to tennis camp with a kid from eastern europe, and i remember he had all babolat gear and i wanted it so bad.

1. Neither can I. But I don't see soul in Babolat rackets either. I see it in rackets that have been though wins and loses, long grueling matches and short hitting sessions, rackets where you know each scape on the paint and when and how it got there, you have been upset with it, and you have been grateful for it. It is a racket that after its playing days will be retired to the wall. That is a racket that has soul.
2. Market share is more Babolat than Wilson right now... And mass production Babolat and Wilson are in the same bad QC boat.
3. Sampras?
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
1. Neither can I. But I don't see soul in Babolat rackets either. I see it in rackets that have been though wins and loses, long grueling matches and short hitting sessions, rackets where you know each scape on the paint and when and how it got there, you have been upset with it, and you have been grateful for it. It is a racket that after its playing days will be retired to the wall. That is a racket that has soul.
2. Market share is more Babolat than Wilson right now... And mass production Babolat and Wilson are in the same bad QC boat.
3. Sampras?

have to agree with 2. babolat bumperguards dont fit right. please fix this
 

Mick3391

Professional
Mick if you want a Babolat with soul, try the Pure Storms. Box beam and classic feel. I have wilson Blades and the Wilson feel is a lot different. I like both.

Yea man, since you brought it up I looked them up, very similar to traditional, less stiff, heavier.

Thanks Dude, you're a cool dude, I don't say that for anyone.
 

estigma2001

Hall of Fame
it´s me or the new APD is almost a 100% differente racquet than the prevous model.
i finally changed and for me has more control, feel, less power but also more touch i really like it
 

uk_skippy

Hall of Fame
pure drive roddick. the 2012 with the hologram. i wish i took a pic of it. it took me an hour, and i finally had to cut one individual grommet to make it fit. babolats always give me trouble but not like this.

Which piece didnt fit right?
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
the one piece at top. it was a single piece that would not line up right. i want to say it was 7H? around there.

its possible it was the wrong grommet. the new one was from a customer and i asked them and they assured me it was the right one......but yea

I asked our in house stringer (who will be at RG 2013)...His recommendation:

-inset the very bottom grommets first (6 holes near handle)
-insert the grommets into bumper guard before inserting into frame
-make sure the handle tie off hole is near the handle (hole 10h)
-start at the top of the racquet, alternating every two grommets and slowly work your way to the handle


does that help?

FYI, the tie off hole for Pure Storms is on the top (reverse of Pure Drives).

If you want, shoot me an email and I can put you in contact with our stringer.
 

ArliHawk

Hall of Fame
Any chance they will release a softer version of the Pure Drive or Aero pro Drive will be released in the future? I like both racquets,but they don't like me.
 

zapvor

G.O.A.T.
I asked our in house stringer (who will be at RG 2013)...His recommendation:

-inset the very bottom grommets first (6 holes near handle)
-insert the grommets into bumper guard before inserting into frame
-make sure the handle tie off hole is near the handle (hole 10h)
-start at the top of the racquet, alternating every two grommets and slowly work your way to the handle


does that help?

FYI, the tie off hole for Pure Storms is on the top (reverse of Pure Drives).

If you want, shoot me an email and I can put you in contact with our stringer.
thanks so much for the reply!
the one thing you mentioned-how is handle tie off at 10H? what am i missing here???
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
Buy a starting clamp and start from the top. I think either way is fine though.

I have a starting clamp, but I prefer starting with a bulky knot.

I am pretty sure bottom to top is ok, but I wanted to verify, you used a clamp on yours and went top to bottom?
 

mikeler

Moderator
I have a starting clamp, but I prefer starting with a bulky knot.

I am pretty sure bottom to top is ok, but I wanted to verify, you used a clamp on yours and went top to bottom?

Yes, it was easier to string the crosses on the Pure Storm Tour by using the starting clamp at the top. If you have a starting clamp, I'd definitely recommend using it to start your crosses versus the bulky knot.
 

Babolat Official

Hall of Fame
Yes, it was easier to string the crosses on the Pure Storm Tour by using the starting clamp at the top. If you have a starting clamp, I'd definitely recommend using it to start your crosses versus the bulky knot.

If you don't want to use a starting clamp, you can make the 7 top/head hole bigger and start there and then tie off on 7 handle/bottom. This is what our string does with the Pure Storm and Pure Storm Tours.
 

MarinaHighTennis

Hall of Fame
@babolatofficial

Hi i was wondering that with the babolat sponsorship pack, can i just take the paperwork to ablocal babolat dealer and buy from them? Or must i fax the form to babolat and send credot card info and pay for shipping?

I wanted to order shoes and a bag
 

Power Player

Bionic Poster
If you don't want to use a starting clamp, you can make the 7 top/head hole bigger and start there and then tie off on 7 handle/bottom. This is what our string does with the Pure Storm and Pure Storm Tours.

Ok..so don't do bottom to top basically? I don't want to damage the frame.
 

mikeler

Moderator
If you don't want to use a starting clamp, you can make the 7 top/head hole bigger and start there and then tie off on 7 handle/bottom. This is what our string does with the Pure Storm and Pure Storm Tours.

Funny, you guys don't even string your rackets according to the instructions!
 

Babolat Official

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@babolatofficial

Hi i was wondering that with the babolat sponsorship pack, can i just take the paperwork to ablocal babolat dealer and buy from them? Or must i fax the form to babolat and send credot card info and pay for shipping?

I wanted to order shoes and a bag

you can't go through shops, have to go through fax/email with our sports marketing team
 
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