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  1. Nostradamus

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    Dear Babolat:

    Why couldn't you guys give Dr. Ivo a contract ? He's been using your racket with black paint all that time. Now he has made a comeback with HEAD racket with Head contract, it looks like. You guys lost a very popular player.
     
  2. Down_the_line

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    I'm seeing a page 64 as well. There's been a phantom page 64 in this particular thread for a couple days now.
     
  3. WhereIsMacMac

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    I think he's asking about the unreleased 2014 storm
     
  4. ProStringing

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    However there are rackets like the ones below that are currently being used by other players (from this thread):

    ProStringing
     
  5. vvkid

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    why AS was discontinued?
     
  6. TennisMD

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    So user of pure storm tour non GT. How will the 2014 differ slightly bigger sweet spot would intrigue me to wait for it's arrival. So thanks for the comments ahead of time
     
  7. Babolat Official

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    Players choose their own equipment.
     
  8. Babolat Official

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    There will not be an Aerostorm in 2014. There will be a new line of racquets in addition to a new Pure Storm line. Specific release dates will vary by country but should be Jan to March for most.
     
  9. Babolat Official

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    Yes, as I mentioned before, there are Aerostorms in the new cosmetic for our pro players. Some like it, some prefer the older one. Some have switched between the two.
     
  10. Babolat Official

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    creating a brand new line for 2014
     
  11. Babolat Official

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    I haven't had the chance to play test it yet
     
  12. v-verb

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    Brain freeze - who is Dr Ivo please?
     
  13. Lukhas

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    ^Taken from Dr. Ivo Robotnik (some video game villain)... The guy who only had one match without serving an ace.
    [​IMG]
     
  14. v-verb

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    Thanks!! Ivo Karlović - googled
     
  15. Nostradamus

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    Does this mean he was offered a contract by babolat and he went with Head instead ?
     
  16. VoodooChild24

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    So I just got my new APD and strung it with RPM blast 17 @ 50lbs. All I can say is, wow...my forehand can't miss. :) Thanks for the recommendation.
     
  17. TennisMD

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    Update us when you do. I believe some on these brds me included liked the non GT over the GT version and I believe you were a non GT user. Also your switch to APD GT was motivated by what features of the APD over the PST tour. If you look at TWU power and sweet spot less on APDGT AND APDGT 2013 than PST Tour. So interested in your comments and I realize these are YOUR individual comments. Intrigued also that it appears the APD is now the most commonly used BAB by top male pros
     
  18. Babolat Official

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    That's a good questions for Ivo. He has a twitter account he is pretty active on. I suggest inquiring directly with him.
     
  19. Babolat Official

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    If you get used to the feel of a little looser, the amount of spin really is fun. Glad things are going well!
     
  20. Babolat Official

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    I switched because I wanted more spin, a more open string pattern, and what I would describe as "effortless power." With a full swing, the mass of the PST would probably hit a bigger ball (with more plow through). When I switched to the APD, I did find I lost some pin point control and really had to make sure my racquet head speed was up when hitting the ball on the rise or significantly changing direction ball direction to counter the lesser mass.

    I think often we dream of "the holy grail" of tennis equipment. That perfect racquet, string, grip, specs, etc. What we have to remember is for every advantage, there is a drawback. Between demoing, customizing, etc. you can get close, but it's really about what parts of your game you want to accentuate with different technology.

    Let me explain. For my game, this would be my perfect racquet:

    Serves: Pure Drive+ with all poly
    Returns: Aerostorm with all poly
    Backhand: Pure Storm Tour with all poly
    Forehands: Aeropro Drive with all poly
    Volleys: Pure Storm Limited with all gut
    Broken points: Pure Drive with poly/gut hybrid

    That said, I (attempt to) construct points around my forehand and serve. Having extensively play tested all these products in practices/matches singles & doubles, I'm most comfortable with the Aeropro Drive. I'm not an amazing player (5.0 doubles, 5.5 singles), so on any given day, some part of my game is not 100%. But I know with the Aeropro Drive (again, for my game), I can always go back to big serves and forehands and see what happens after that.

    If I was strictly playing doubles and not doing a lot of hitting (I currently play 4-5 times a week, if not more), I'd probably go to a Pure Storm Tour or Pure Drive (with a little customization).

    Hope that helps.
     
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    4-5x a week? you sir have the best job ever
     
  22. Babolat Official

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    other than having to deal with all of you guys ;), yes, I'm pretty lucky
     
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    hahahahhahaha nice
     
  24. 10isace

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    Daniel, wondering why Babolat would consider discontinuing the Aero Storm GT??, it was at one point a HOT seller for TW, it is truly a better frame in my opinion than the AeroPro Drive, nice feel and flex, and a control oriented frame, is there a replacement with similar specs for this frame in the near future?, very interested in hearing your comments and input, thanks.
     
  25. Ramon

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    I wouldn't put much faith in those TWU power and sweet spot comparisons. There are a lot of obvious discrepancies when you compare racquets. In fact , just look at the default comparison. Does anyone believe that the Wilson BLX Six-One Tour is more powerful and has a bigger sweet spot than the APDGT? I used to use the APDGT, and the power and sweet spot are huge. I switched to the PK Ki 5x, which has one of the highest power and sweet spot ratings on the graph, but I know that both are nowhere near the APDGT, which was actually too powerful for me.
     
  26. Babolat Official

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    We've been analyzing what types of frames are used by different type of players. We decided we needed to create an entire new line of rackets to compliment our offering, similar to that of the Aerostorm. The line will launch in Jan/Feb 2014 with info coming near the end of the year.

    Everyone has different opinions as to which racket is the best (for example, Rafa and I prefer the APD to the AS). We want to offer as many viable options as possible as the game continues to evolve.
     
  27. TennisMD

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    Thanks Ramon, not instigating an argument but appears TWU takes out the player ie swing/ rkt head speed timing etc all of these factors can make an intrinsically less powerful rkt play with more power, so in other words not disagreeing with your own experience, but use TWU for just the rkt itself not the player
    So Daniel any follow up to my questions?
     
  28. Babolat Official

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    already responded, check a couple posts earlier in the thread
     
  29. Lukhas

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    So, I believe the "new" AS is getting a specific mould to further differentiate the frames. I find it logical. In fact, I think that the AD and AS sharing the same colours was an error, since the frames are not really identical. Good change really. I like that Babolat always features extended versions of their frames.
     
  30. Bartelby

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    A new line replacing the Aerostorm seems a good idea to me.

    It might have sold well at TW, but it really didn't take off overall and I didn't think it a preferable alternatiive to either going Storm or going Drive, but that's a hard middle ground to find.

    And I don't think the Aerostorm found it, although I'm sure some preferred it, and hence it didn't really break into a new market for Babolat.
     
  31. TennisMD

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    Sorry missed it a complete answer thanks
     
  32. Rokushio

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    Daniel, first of all as a Babolat user thanks for this space. I think that what Babolat is doing is fantastic and after reading all your replies you seem to be the right guy.

    My question is the following..

    I've been using APD for 4 years and recently I changed to APD+. i string it with RPM team 52lbs. My first week was awesome, the feel, the spin, the power. But after 10~15hs of game I started feeling the string different> Shots and serve landing to long and the feel that the strings were more slippery? and less crisp. The strings totally changed.

    I never understood the affirmation that goes "poly si for quick string breakers" but I has something to do...
     
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    is there a new ADP for next year?
     
  34. SFrazeur

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    Really the only time I saw AeroStorms were when the red version priced dropped below $80.
     
  35. Babolat Official

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    Thanks for the kind words. It's fun talking product with people who geek out as much if not more than I do.

    Poly loses tension really quickly. Within hours of stringing it even (without play). I'd guess what you're noticing is the drop in tension. The APD+ packs quite a punch. I'm not sure how long it takes you to play 10-15 hours (as in how many days to log those hours), but the longer the strings are in, the more tension you will lose.

    If you aren't breaking strings every 8-14 hours, you might consider a hybrid. You'll notice a little difference in ball feel vs. the all poly, but if you toy around wit the tension and material of the crosses (I'd suggest Nat Gut if money is no object), you can create a string bed that will maintain it's tension longer.

    I've recently strung one of my APDs with RPM 17 & VS Gut 16 at 50/54. Normally, I break my all RPM 17 (@ 50 lbs) after 8 hours of play. The hybrid is going on 12 hours and seems to have maintained tension really well. I'm still getting used to the difference in feel (less spin, more touch/feel/power). I'll probably keep toying with it. I hit the same hybrid in PS this weekend and preferred it to an all poly, so the frame changes things for me as well.

    I noticed too you said RPM team. That's our softer version of RPM. We have another one called RPM Dual that maintains tension a little better, but plays a little stiffer. A couple of the top college programs have started playing with it. May be worth a try if you want to stick with all poly.
     
  36. Babolat Official

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    Nope. Our rackets are on a 3 year renewal cycle (longest of the big manufacturers, have to plug that when I can). You won't see a new APD until 2016, although there may be some special cosmetics coming before then...
     
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    Thanks. We hope so. In my opinion it was a great frame but probably warranted it's own family. It really wasn't an APD and it was more progressive than the PS.

    I also think the players attracted to our brand were not looking for "that type" of frame, they were coming for the power, open string pattern, 100 sq in (PD & APD). But as the game continued to evolve, some top players wanted to migrate back towards a more traditional line...just not all the way to the PS. And we really didn't have an answer to that.

    Until the AS. And now the revamped PS for 2014 and our other new line.
     
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    Worst thing about Bab sticks like the APD is the electric shock feeling you get when you mishit. It sucks most for players who are 4.5-5.0. I call that level "good enough to be dangerous" because you get to play big hitters, but you are not hitting as clean as a pro. As result, it is easy to mishit heavy spin balls sometimes and the vibrations from the APD are the worst. It is common for internet nerds to say "well, don't mishit", but we all know that happens to the best players.

    I wish you guys would address this. I firmly believe this is one reason why the pros use the old model that rafa has. It is softer and doesn't have cortex (which does not seem to really do anything).

    I say this as a guy who has owned tons of Bab sticks and I really like them. But now that I found a stick that plays similar and does not ever vibrate on mishits, it is a much better experience. Much more confidence is there to attack a heavy incoming ball with a big swing.
     
  39. Babolat Official

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    Our product isn't for everyone. There are a lot of other brands with strong offerings out there, hopefully one of them can address your needs, immediately.

    Thanks for your comments.
     
  40. Babolat Official

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    But yes, I advise not mishitting the ball.
     
  41. Govnor

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    Good stuff right here!!
     
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    LOL..I hate you. :twisted:

    But yeah, just some feedback from the front lines on why so many people love these sticks but can't always keep them.

    That was my experience. I have owned 7 APDs over time.

    I have been accused of selling the Black Drives due to my posts about that stick as well..haha. Stiffness and vibes just always got me in the end.
     
  43. Babolat Official

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    it's not for everyone.
     
  44. v-verb

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    I think Babolat makes a great product. I switch between my APD original and my Pro Staff StV, but have tried modern Babs and they are quality sticks.

    As was said, they're not for everyone, but they cover a lot of bases

    Connect n Play please - looking forward to it!
     
  45. Babolat Official

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    The official name is Babolat PLAY. We'll have more info in 4th quarter. Coming soon...
     
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    if i might ask:
    what version aeropro?
    any weight modifications?
     
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    Hi

    You've mentioned a new Pure Storm Line for 2014, yet I thought I saw an earlier statement that babolat would be dropping the Pure Storm line.

    I switch between a PS GT and PD, and really love both sticks. Just lately I am veering more toward the PS GT, for enhancing my control, and feel, in exchange for the free power from the PD....

    I like to think that the PS GT is making me a better player as well, as it drives me more toward using better set up/ and positioning and technique. I currently use Excel at 57 lbs, but usually my string is VS Touch at 57lbs.

    Been using Bab's for 12 years.....demo'ed many others too.....

    Would pay handsomely for a new PD Team (my fav stick of all time)

    What will the new 2014 PS line deliver-any major changes? Will there still be a stick around the 295/300 gram weight?
     
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    nice! i'll have enough time to enjoy my ADP!
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply. So once the tension looses(which is pretty quick) I am not getting the benefits of poly. Thats why poly is for quick string breakers.

    I'd like to try the RPM dual but since I live in Argentina we don't have great variety of strings. Barely Blast and Team are entering due to importation restriction.

    I wanted yo ask you what made to drop your tension from arround 60lbs to 50lbs. And what made you chose leather grips?? No overgrip?

    Any special edition planned for the APD+? =)
     
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    Thanks - can't wait!
     
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