Borg and Federer the only open era greats to not defeat 2 all time greats in same Grand Slam

[McEnroeisanartist]

Borg and Federer are the only open era greats (6 or more Grand Slams won in open era) to not defeat 2 open era greats in same Grand Slam

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier)

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

 

[TheIntrovert]

How many of those are 5 years older than the players they defeated?

 

[J011yroger]

How many ATGs were active in the same slam between 2002-2010?

J

 

[robthai]

Some on here consider Murray an all time great.

 

[Lleytonstation]

Borg and Federer are the only open era greats (6 or more Grand Slams won in open era) to not defeat 2 open era greats in same Grand Slam

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier)

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

I would rather see the stats on when given the opportunity. Such as Fed beat Rafa and then played Djoker, so we have an idea of how many opportunities they had.

Still probably does not favor Fed as he has never done it, but I would like to see that stat.

 

[TheIntrovert]

Some on here consider Murray an all time great.

Doesn’t fit the agenda here so he isn’t one in this case.

 

[icedevil0289]

Doesn’t fit the agenda here so he isn’t one in this case.

its interesting though he does get thrown in there as "proof" of a much stronger era/opponent though

 

[Towny]

Fed and Borg were garbage. Weak era vultures. Borg was sent packing by McEnroe after the 81 Wimbledon HUMILIATION. Federer should have quit with some dignity left in 2012. Instead, he's been exposed. Borg was a coward but Fed is a confirmed MUG

 

[TheIntrovert]

its interesting though he does get thrown in there as "proof" of a much stronger era/opponent though

The few that do say that are yet to respond so let’s see what they have to say

 

[SaintPetros]

Fed and Borg were garbage. Weak era vultures. Borg was sent packing by McEnroe after the 81 Wimbledon HUMILIATION. Federer should have quit with some dignity left in 2012. Instead, he's been exposed. Borg was a coward but Fed is a confirmed MUG

 

[SaintPetros]

Fed and Borg were garbage. Weak era vultures. Borg was sent packing by McEnroe after the 81 Wimbledon HUMILIATION. Federer should have quit with some dignity left in 2012. Instead, he's been exposed. Borg was a coward but Fed is a confirmed MUG

I really miss this kind of informed, rational posting - you're just missing one thing...
ROFLMAO!!!

 

[uscwang]

What about Murray?
Poor thing is the player who lost the most matches to ATGs.

 

[Towny]

I really miss this kind of informed, rational posting - you're just missing one thing...
ROFLMAO!!!

Yeah you're right. Would have been the perfect way to finish

 

[SaintPetros]

Yeah you're right. Would have been the perfect way to finish

'zactly, something neither Fraud nor Bored knew how to do!
ROFLMAO!

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Borg and Federer are the only open era greats (6 or more Grand Slams won in open era) to not defeat 2 open era greats in same Grand Slam

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier)

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

What point do you start to consider the player an ATG? For instance in regards to McEnroe and Wilander beating Lendl...was Lendl really an ATG that time? He was more Murray like in that he lost numerous finals, losing his first four before winning one in five sets. Was Connors the same Connors when Lendl was beating him? Was Djokovic at ATG at the time of RG 2006 or 2007, heck was he one in 2008? Is it just the name and number of slams they ended up with, or does the level and form at the time also count?

 

[Lew II]

Fed defeated Murray and Djokovic at UO 2008 and WI 2012.

 

[NoleFam]

What point do you start to consider the player an ATG? For instance in regards to McEnroe and Wilander beating Lendl...was Lendl really an ATG that time? He was more Murray like in that he lost numerous finals, losing his first four before winning one in five sets. Was Connors the same Connors when Lendl was beating him? Was Djokovic at ATG at the time of RG 2006 or 2007, heck was he one in 2008? Is it just the name and number of slams they ended up with, or does the level and form at the time also count?

Good point. That would shrink the list considerably.

 

[papertank]

If you’re including Becker and Edberg here then Murray is absolutely fair game, and that would give Fed at least one entry.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Good point. That would shrink the list considerably.

I mean these players didn't start as ATGs. That happened over time.

 

[NoleFam]

I mean these players didn't start as ATGs. That happened over time.

Yes so it's hard to say those victories were over ATGs when it was years before they reached that.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Yes so it's hard to say those victories were over ATGs when it was years before they reach that.

I mean, we laugh about him now, but one day Zverev may become an ATG, so do all these wins over him count as a win over an ATG?

 

[NoleFam]

I mean, we laugh about him now, but one day Zverev may become an ATG, so do all these wins over him count as a win over an ATG?

He might considering what's to choose from from his era. Lol. I think Tstitsipas will reach that level though.

 

[stringertom]

What point do you start to consider the player an ATG? For instance in regards to McEnroe and Wilander beating Lendl...was Lendl really an ATG that time? He was more Murray like in that he lost numerous finals, losing his first four before winning one in five sets. Was Connors the same Connors when Lendl was beating him? Was Djokovic at ATG at the time of RG 2006 or 2007, heck was he one in 2008? Is it just the name and number of slams they ended up with, or does the level and form at the time also count?

OP sets the ATG bar at 6 or more slams, whether already earned or “in the oven.”

Because there’s no time frame set, this is another mindless waste of bandwidth.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

OP sets the ATG bar at 6 or more slams, whether already earned or “in the oven.”

Because there’s no time frame set, this is another mindless waste of bandwidth.

It is, hence why I pointed the holes.

 

[er4claw]

If federer was 5 years younger than no one would have heard of djokovich and bull would be a clay court specialist.

 

[SaintPetros]

If federer was 5 years younger than no one would have heard of djokovich and bull would be a clay court specialist.

Fred was annihilated by a baby bull on the courts of Miami as reigning world #1. I shudder to think what would have happened had we swapped him with his 1999 self. No one may ever have heard of Roger Federer.

 

[er4claw]

Fred was annihilated by a baby bull on the courts of Miami as reigning world #1. I shudder to think what would have happened had we swapped him with his 1999 self. No one may ever have heard of Roger Federer.

That doesn't count, Federer was very sick that day. He barely got out of bed that day but he didn't want to disappoint hard working fans that bought tickets that day. See healthy fed in 05 Miami were he convincingly beat a much better version of bull to see what would have happened if he wasn't sick.

 

[SaintPetros]

That doesn't count, Federer was very sick that day. He barely got out of bed that day but he didn't want to disappoint hard working fans that bought tickets that day. See healthy fed in 05 Miami were he convincingly beat a much better version of bull to see what would have happened if he wasn't sick.

What a hero. Was this modern day Hector also sick in 2006 when he was beaten by Nadal in Dubai? Actually, he must have just been conscious that Rafa might never grow into GOAThood if he lost and tennis, and ultimately the fans would be deprived of their "magnificent" rivalry?

 

[Pheasant]

@Hitman brings up a really good point. We need to look at their form at the time. Otherwise, it's a moot point. Beating Federer from 1998-2002 was really an easy task for many of the top players.

Let's revisit this list in more detail. I'm trimming out the non-ATG's, going by form. I leave the good ones in bold.

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg --- McEnroe was ranked 19th in the world entering this tourney. Mac beat nobod in the top 20 before he played Connors. To top it off, Mac was 4-8 vs the top 10. Connors beat a crummy version of Mac and Borg on his very worst surface.

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl- Connors peak years were long gone, and Edberg was 18

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl- Lendl still hadn't won a slam and was playing on his worst surface.
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe- Connors was way past his prime here
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander- Mac and Connors were way past their prime

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander- Lendl on grass was garbage at this time and only a one-time slam title winner
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker- Lendl's decline was in effect and it was his worst surface by far
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras - Lendl was way past his prime

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg- Lendl never won Wimbledon

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi. Mac was way past his prime and Lendl was on his way down
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier) - Becker was past his prime

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe- Mac was way past his prime here

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- baby Djoker here
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- Djoker wasn't great just yet. But by 2008, he was great. I'll give Nadal credit for 2008 FO.
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

 

[Deleted member 77403]

@Hitman brings up a really good point. We need to look at their form at the time. Otherwise, it's a moot point. Beating Federer from 1998-2002 was really an easy task for many of the top players.

Let's revisit this list in more detail. I'm trimming out the non-ATG's, going by form. I leave the good ones in bold.

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg --- McEnroe was ranked 19th in the world entering this tourney. Mac beat nobod in the top 20 before he played Connors. To top it off, Mac was 4-8 vs the top 10. Connors beat a crummy version of Mac and Borg on his very worst surface.

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl- Connors peak years were long gone, and Edberg was 18

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl- Lendl still hadn't won a slam and was playing on his worst surface.
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe- Connors was way past his prime here
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander- Mac and Connors were way past their prime

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander- Lendl on grass was garbage at this time and only a one-time slam title winner
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker- Lendl's decline was in effect and it was his worst surface by far
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras - Lendl was way past his prime

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg- Lendl never won Wimbledon

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi. Mac was way past his prime and Lendl was on his way down
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier) - Becker was past his prime

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe- Mac was way past his prime here

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- baby Djoker here
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- Djoker wasn't great just yet. But by 2008, he was great. I'll give Nadal credit for 2008 FO.
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

Well that trimmed out a lot of the fat.

 

[AnOctorokForDinner]

@Hitman brings up a really good point. We need to look at their form at the time. Otherwise, it's a moot point. Beating Federer from 1998-2002 was really an easy task for many of the top players.

Let's revisit this list in more detail. I'm trimming out the non-ATG's, going by form. I leave the good ones in bold.

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg --- McEnroe was ranked 19th in the world entering this tourney. Mac beat nobod in the top 20 before he played Connors. To top it off, Mac was 4-8 vs the top 10. Connors beat a crummy version of Mac and Borg on his very worst surface.

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl- Connors peak years were long gone, and Edberg was 18

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl- Lendl still hadn't won a slam and was playing on his worst surface.
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe- Connors was way past his prime here
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander- Mac and Connors were way past their prime

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander- Lendl on grass was garbage at this time and only a one-time slam title winner
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker- Lendl's decline was in effect and it was his worst surface by far
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras - Lendl was way past his prime

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg- Lendl never won Wimbledon

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi. Mac was way past his prime and Lendl was on his way down
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier) - Becker was past his prime

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe- Mac was way past his prime here

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- baby Djoker here
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- Djoker wasn't great just yet. But by 2008, he was great. I'll give Nadal credit for 2008 FO.
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

Counting 1980 Lendl but not 1984 Connors is strange. Connors gave peak Mac a great match - the last time he delivered a prime-level performance in BO5, like Fed at Wimby '12, before they got too old to do it even occasionally.

Discounting Edberg's win over Lendl 1985 AO is just roflcopter. 1985 AO was the last one held in Dec so Lendl was the USO champ and newly-minted No.1 by then, while Edberg was a teenager in his first slam semi. Great match despite a fair bit of choking in both sides.

Discounting Sampras wins over Lendl and Becker is also goofy. Lendl was starting to decline but still going strong in 1990, while Sampras was a teenager and further removed from his prime chronologically than Lendl was. As for Becker, his exact prime is not so easy to pinpoint but he played well there... remember, he was able to deliver a prime performance in BO5 as late as 1996 (Stuttgart and YEC finals against Sampras).

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

@Hitman brings up a really good point. We need to look at their form at the time. Otherwise, it's a moot point. Beating Federer from 1998-2002 was really an easy task for many of the top players.

Let's revisit this list in more detail. I'm trimming out the non-ATG's, going by form. I leave the good ones in bold.

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg --- McEnroe was ranked 19th in the world entering this tourney. Mac beat nobod in the top 20 before he played Connors. To top it off, Mac was 4-8 vs the top 10. Connors beat a crummy version of Mac and Borg on his very worst surface.

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl- Connors peak years were long gone, and Edberg was 18

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl- Lendl still hadn't won a slam and was playing on his worst surface.
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe- Connors was way past his prime here
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander- Mac and Connors were way past their prime

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander- Lendl on grass was garbage at this time and only a one-time slam title winner
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker- Lendl's decline was in effect and it was his worst surface by far
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras - Lendl was way past his prime

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg- Lendl never won Wimbledon

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi. Mac was way past his prime and Lendl was on his way down
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier) - Becker was past his prime

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe- Mac was way past his prime here

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- baby Djoker here
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer- Djoker wasn't great just yet. But by 2008, he was great. I'll give Nadal credit for 2008 FO.
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

So this guy believes Djokovic was prime in 2008 but Becker wasn’t in 1993? Emmmmm. I smell a pedal (soz a nadal fan) hiding behind his keyboard hoping nobody picks this up.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Well that trimmed out a lot of the fat.

Hitman you’ve been a terrible poster for many years. And yet again you prove it.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

Pheasant knows not much about tennis / CHANGE MY MIND

 

[SaintPetros]

Hitman you’ve been a terrible poster for many years. And yet again you prove it.

Lol just say what you mean man, don't hold it in.

 

[SaintPetros]

Counting 1980 Lendl but not 1984 Connors is strange. Connors gave peak Mac a great match - the last time he delivered a prime-level performance in BO5, like Fed at Wimby '12, before they got too old to do it even occasionally.

Discounting Edberg's win over Lendl 1985 AO is just roflcopter. 1985 AO was the last one held in Dec so Lendl was the USO champ and newly-minted No.1 by then, while Edberg was a teenager in his first slam semi. Great match despite a fair bit of choking in both sides.

Discounting Sampras wins over Lendl and Becker is also goofy. Lendl was starting to decline but still going strong in 1990, while Sampras was a teenager and further removed from his prime chronologically than Lendl was. As for Becker, his exact prime is not so easy to pinpoint but he played well there... remember, he was able to deliver a prime performance in BO5 as late as 1996 (Stuttgart and YEC finals against Sampras).

You're a much kinder man than me. I was going to use a different word.
Fact is, you gotta give Pete credit twice under this metric. Attempts to swindle him out of his dues are crazy round here. Becker was all of 25 years old when he played Wimby 1993.

 

[vive le beau jeu !]

Borg and Federer are the only open era greats (6 or more Grand Slams won in open era) to not defeat 2 open era greats in same Grand Slam

Connors
1978 US Open - Defeated McEnroe and Borg

McEnroe
1980 US Open - defeated Lendl, Connors, and Borg
1984 US Open - defeated Edberg, Connors, and Lendl

Wilander
1983 Australian Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl
1985 French Open - defeated McEnroe and Lendl

Lendl
1984 French Open - defeated Wilander and McEnroe
1985 US Open - defeated Connors and McEnroe
1987 US Open - defeated McEnroe, Connors, and Wilander

Edberg
1985 Australian Open - defeated Lendl and Wilander
1990 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Becker
1992 US Open - defeated Lendl and Sampras

Becker
1989 Wimbledon - defeated Lendl and Edberg

Sampras
1990 US Open - defeated Lendl, McEnroe, and Agassi
1993 Wimbledon - defeated Agassi and Becker (and Courier)

Agassi
1992 Wimbledon - defeated Becker and McEnroe

Nadal
2006 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2007 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer
2008 French Open - defeated Djokovic and Federer

Djokovic
2011 US Open - defeated Federer and Nadal

it's not mentionned but i assume this list only includes players who ended up winning the tournament ?
otherwise, ivanisevic defeated lendl, edberg and sampras at wmibledon 1992...

Nb: at RG 1985, wilander also defeated becker...

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

You're a much kinder man than me. I was going to use a different word.
Fact is, you gotta give Pete credit twice under this metric. Attempts to swindle him out of his dues are crazy round here. Becker was all of 25 years old when he played Wimby 1993.

Sampras was a serve bots with shockingly bad groudies and no athleticism. His forehand was old fashioned and his volley was only good because of his serve boting. In this era he’d be like karlovic or isner.

 

[NoleFam]

That doesn't count, Federer was very sick that day. He barely got out of bed that day but he didn't want to disappoint hard working fans that bought tickets that day. See healthy fed in 05 Miami were he convincingly beat a much better version of bull to see what would have happened if he wasn't sick.

? Wasn't he two points away from losing and Nadal got shafted on a call that would have given him breakpoints to serve it out?

 

[tennisaddict]

I mean these players didn't start as ATGs. That happened over time.

Also, we have to stop considering the time when the ATG players stop playing at ATG level.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Also, we have to stop considering the time when the ATG players stop playing at ATG level.

Hence why I mention the form of the player. The name and past accomplishments shouldn't be the be all end all.

 

[SamprasisGOAT]

You're either as bitter as me and channeling that into the same cynical sarcasm I am, or playing 4d chess with me (very effectively I might add). Consider me momentarily trolled.

I’m as bitter as you lol

 

[PMChambers]

Wilander is my cut off for ATG. Becker and Edberg above him though he has more Majors.
If Murray is ATG then the bar is lowered a long way. 3x. Waw? Hewitt? Can you have 4x ATG at one time? Seems like stacking the era.

 

[SaintPetros]

Wilander is my cut off for ATG. Becker and Edberg above him though he has more Majors.
If Murray is ATG then the bar is lowered a long way. 3x. Waw? Hewitt? Can you have 4x ATG at one time? Seems like stacking the era.

I would say Courier is my cut off point, reason being he won 4 majors, had a brief period of dominance, and was the first guy since Laver to make all 4 slam finals in a year ('93).

 

[BGod]

Borg beat
Nastase-Connors
Vilas-Nastase

Federer beat
Hewitt-Agassi
Djokovic-Murray
Djokovic-Murray


I mean, if you raise the bar too high it's more about matchup scenarios. As there will only ever be 1-2 all timers in opposition at one time. Common now.

 

[Tennisbg]

What about Murray?
Poor thing is the player who lost the most matches to ATGs.

He should receive an award for being there year after year and taking his beatings ...

 

[Lew II]

Djokovic is the only player who beat two 10+ slam champions in the same slam (UO 2011).

Fed was one point away from being the second.

 

[ChrisRF]

It may be an interesting footnote, but (as many already hinted at) it’s also misleading again.

Because there are those "All-Time-Greats" like Becker, Edberg or Wilander with 7 Slams at best. And because Slams where more evenly shared between more players in those times, you just had more chances to beat "All-Time Greats" then.

Or in other words: If the Big 3 had been WORSE (and therefore would have allowed another player like Murray or Wawrinka to win around 5-7 Slams in total), they would be much BETTER in those statistics, because any win against them would count as an "ATG win".

 

[Lew II]

It may be an interesting footnote, but (as many already hinted at) it’s also misleading again.

Because there are those "All-Time-Greats" like Becker, Edberg or Wilander with 7 Slams at best. And because Slams where more evenly shared between more players in those times, you just had more chances to beat "All-Time Greats" then.

Or in other words: If the Big 3 had been WORSE (and therefore would have allowed another player like Murray or Wawrinka to win around 5-7 Slams in total), they would be much BETTER in those statistics, because any win against them would count as an "ATG win".

That's why Slam titles alone isn't a good system to determine ATGs.

Murray is an ATG with 11 slam finals, 20 big titles, etc.. Wawrinka is not.

 

[Thetouch]

Here are some non ATG victories:


Stich defeated (Courier), Edberg and Becker in Wimbledon - 2 guys who had won Wimbledon 5 times in the last 6 years

Courier defeated Edberg, (Stich) and Agassi in the FO

Chang defeated Sampras (^^), Lendl and Edberg in the FO