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Borg had more ability to handle a much wider range of surfaCes. Now most of the surfaces tend to medium slow speed, wheras in borgs day they went from very slow clay to super fast grass and indoor carpet. Its ion this latter surface that borg won 2 masters and 1 wct final and alos had a superior head to head record over mcenroe who was one of the all time great indoor players. I just couldnt imagine nadal handling indoor carpet.

Borg only got to play the us open 4 times on hard court and he got to the final 3 of those times plus 1 clay court final.
 
Stop clutching at straws baby. Nadal has surpassed Borg, deal with it. Borg can probably barely avoid breadsticks against college players these days.
 
Borg at this stage....was retired and had given up on tennis. True champions don't do that.
 
kishnabe said:
That Nadal owns Federer, Federer owns Borg.

NSK Point is :Since Nadal owns Federer he owns Borg too, no?
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well, yeah NSK is very special. Nadal owns everyone (in his delusional mind) ... what do you do? He talks about Borg, yet I'm 100% sure he has never seen any Borg's matches at all. but whatever.
 
Evan77 said:
yup, me too ... what have you won in your life cup8489? a cup of Starbucks coffee?

right, the silly buttpicker is a true champion, meh ... just another silly thread.
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Why exactly are you criticizing Cup8489 for this? He has a same opinion about this thread as you.
 
Evan77 said:
excuse me ... calling Borg 'not a true champion', right ... what else would you like to know? gee
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Go read again Cup8489's entry and you'll see what Sidvicious was talking about. Cup8489 was being sarcastic and was not dissing Borg. You are an Idiot.
 
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Evan77 said:
yup, me too ... what have you won in your life cup8489? a cup of Starbucks coffee?

right, the silly buttpicker is a true champion, meh ... just another silly thread.
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Why did you insult him if he has your own opinion?
 
Cup8489 said:
now Borg isn't a true champion?

I've seen it all.
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Bjorn Borg is one of the greatest, absolutely, of all time. He cannot be considered a 'GOAT' candidate for the simple fact that he quit, voluntarily, in the prime of his life.
 
kishnabe said:
That Nadal owns Federer, Federer owns Borg.

NSK Point is :Since Nadal owns Federer he owns Borg too, no?
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That may be your point, but my point is-

With his varied game Mac sent Borg into retirement. Although Federer is not left-handed, he is similar to Mac, and would hurt Borg.
 
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nadal_slam_king said:
You are just as dumb as the other one. Mac sent Borg into retirement.
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Well that would be pathetic of Borg if it were true. Players like McEnroe (Lendl), Sampras (Federer), Federer (Nadal), and Nadal (Djokovic) don't retire when their kryptonite becomes evident. From what I have heard there was more to it than just McEnroe regarding Borg's sudden zenith to nadir.
 
li0scc0 said:
Well that would be pathetic of Borg if it were true. Players like McEnroe (Lendl), Sampras (Federer), Federer (Nadal), and Nadal (Djokovic) don't retire when their kryptonite becomes evident. From what I have heard there was more to it than just McEnroe regarding Borg's sudden zenith to nadir.
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It was not just McEnroe that sent Borg into retirement, don't listen to that dolt NSK. There were personal issues involved as well apparently from all that I have heard and read.
 
timnz said:
Borg had more ability to handle a much wider range of surfaCes. Now most of the surfaces tend to medium slow speed, wheras in borgs day they went from very slow clay to super fast grass and indoor carpet. Its ion this latter surface that borg won 2 masters and 1 wct final and alos had a superior head to head record over mcenroe who was one of the all time great indoor players. I just couldnt imagine nadal handling indoor carpet.

Borg only got to play the us open 4 times on hard court and he got to the final 3 of those times plus 1 clay court final.
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I agree with you timnz. Borg did exhibit great surface versatility that somehow gets overlooked these days. He won a lot indoors, on clay, and at Wimbledon. Plus, he was no slouch on hard courts either, having reached three finals while playing in only four hard court majors. They didn't have a slow hard court major to compete in when he played. Now they essentially have two slow hard court majors, whereas before there were none. The surfaces are much less varied these days. Hard courts are slower, even at the US Open. Plus, Wimbledon is slower and they do not have indoor carpet anymore either. Having said that, Nadal has impressed me greatly with his ability to make adjustments at Wimbledon, where he has evolved into being a great grass court player as well and he did played great to get that US Open title in 2010.
 
cc0509 said:
It was not just McEnroe that sent Borg into retirement, don't listen to that dolt NSK. There were personal issues involved as well apparently from all that I have heard and read.
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Borg would never admit it was McEnroe. That would be extremely humiliating to admit.
 
nadal_slam_king said:
Borg would never admit it was McEnroe. That would be extremely humiliating to admit.
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Is the same thing going to happen to Nadal then since he's in the same situation against Djesus? It's actually worse than what Mac inflicted on Borg. I've never seen a player get beaten like a drum the way Nadal has been by Djesus over the past year.
 
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nadal_slam_king said:
17-14, Nadal leads. 5-3 Nadal leads at the slams. Read it and weep, loser. Djok had his ONE successful year.
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Yeah,and that one successful year wound up costing Nadal 3 slam titles,and 4masters titles as well. And Djesus will have more than just one good year. I'm sure your tune will change once he wins both upcoming clay masters and RG. No,actually you'll just disappear and return under one of your many user names just like you always do. Lol.
 
Clarky21 said:
Yeah,and that one successful year wound up costing Nadal 3 slam titles,and 4masters titles as well. And Djesus will have more than just one good year. I'm sure your tune will change once he wins both upcoming clay masters and RG. No,actually you'll just disappear and return under one of your many user names just like you always do. Lol.
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Djokovic's year didn't cost Nadal anything. Nothing was lost. Because nothing belongs to Nadal. Everything is up for grabs (although maybe at Roland Garros there is a sense it belongs to Nadal). You think Nadal is supposed to win every slam final? I assumed that Nadal would lose at least a 3rd of his lifelong slam finals, because this isn't the Nadal tour, this is the ATP tour. Did you think the same about Federer, was he supposed to win every slam final? Nadal has about 5 more years of winning slam left, maybe more. You've never seen a player like Nadal before, and that is why you have no clue. You probably thought Nadal was on the way out in 2009, before he won 3 slams in a row in 2010 :lol:
 
nadal_slam_king said:
Djokovic's year didn't cost Nadal anything. Nothing was lost. Because nothing belongs to Nadal. Everything is up for grabs (although maybe at Roland Garros there is a sense it belongs to Nadal). You think Nadal is supposed to win every slam final? I assumed that Nadal would lose at least a 3rd of his lifelong slam finals, because this isn't the Nadal tour, this is the ATP tour. Did you think the same about Federer, was he supposed to win every slam final? Nadal has about 5 more years of winning slam left, maybe more. You've never seen a player like Nadal before, and that is why you have no clue. You probably thought Nadal was on the way out in 2009, before he won 3 slams in a row in 2010 :lol:
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That's funny because I could have sworn he lost 4 masters finals and 3 slam finals to the same guy. I'm not sure how you think that Djesus didn't cost him anything.


No it doesn't,and when Djesus wins it this year you will get to see for yourself.


Pure fantasy. Nadal has maybe 2 years left on the tour at the most,and even that's not for certain. Believing he has 5 more years on the tour is just ridiculous.


And he will never do it again,and probably won't even win 1 more slam much less repeat a year like that.
 
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Clarky21 said:
That's funny because I could have sworn he lost 4 masters finals and 3 slam finals to the same guy. I'm not sure how you think that Djesus didn't cost him anything.


No it doesn't,and when Djesus wins it this year you will get to see for yourself.


Pure fantasy. Nadal has maybe 2 years left on the tour at the most,and even that's not for certain. Believing he has 5 more years on the tour is just ridiculous.


And he will never do it again,and probably won't even win 1 more slam much less repeat a year like that.
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This is where we differ. Djokovic didn't "cost" Nadal anythiing, because every event is up for grabs and nobody has ownership over the event.

I didn't say 5 more years left on the tour, I said 5 more years of winning slams left. He has more than 5 years left on the tour. When somebody else starts taking over at Roland Garros in about 5 years, Nadal will fight that player and try to wrestle it back. We'll see how that turns out. How old will you be in 5-7 years time? Hope Nadal doesn't waste your life with hate.
 
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Clarky21 said:
That's funny because I could have sworn he lost 4 masters finals and 3 slam finals to the same guy. I'm not sure how you think that Djesus didn't cost him anything.


No it doesn't,and when Djesus wins it this year you will get to see for yourself.


Pure fantasy. Nadal has maybe 2 years left on the tour at the most,and even that's not for certain. Believing he has 5 more years on the tour is just ridiculous.


And he will never do it again,and probably won't even win 1 more slam much less repeat a year like that.
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I have been reading that since I joined this board in 07. Not happening. Nadal has a lot more years left on the tour. He is not as injury prone as people tend to think he is. He is extremely fit.
 
nadal_slam_king said:
This is where we differ. Djokovic didn't "cost" Nadal anythiing, because every event is up for grabs and nobody has ownership over the event.

I didn't say 5 more years left on the tour, I said 5 more years of winning slams left. He has more than 5 years left on the tour. When somebody else starts taking over at Roland Garros in about 5 years, Nadal will fight that player and try to wrestle it back. We'll see how that turns out. How old will you be in 5-7 years time? Hope Nadal doesn't waste your life with hate.
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Don't be delusional. Nadal will be 26 soon, he probably has two more good years where he can still win some slams. Re Nadal still being on tour in 5 years or more, I don't think so. Will you please get into the real world.
 
nadal_slam_king said:
This is where we differ. Djokovic didn't "cost" Nadal anythiing, because every event is up for grabs and nobody has ownership over the event.

I didn't say 5 more years left on the tour, I said 5 more years of winning slams left. He has more than 5 years left on the tour. When somebody else starts taking over at Roland Garros in about 5 years, Nadal will fight that player and try to wrestle it back. We'll see how that turns out. How old will you be in 5-7 years time? Hope Nadal doesn't waste your life with hate.
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This is so preposterous all I can do is :lol:
 
nadal_slam_king said:
Borg would never admit it was McEnroe. That would be extremely humiliating to admit.
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There is nothing humiliating about it since their h2h was 7-7. Borg was sick of the grind of the tour and he had personal issues to deal with, it was not all about McEnroe. Were you even born when Borg was playing? Don't talk about things you know nothing about.
 
cc0509 said:
Don't be delusional. Nadal will be 26 soon, he probably has two more good years where he can still win some slams. Re Nadal still being on tour in 5 years or more, I don't think so. Will you please get into the real world.
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Nadal looks twice as good this year compared with his form last year. A repeat of 2010 is most likely. Actually he may be about to top that, because he didn't play Barcelona in 2010. Good chance at going 5-0 this year on clay, clean sweep. So he really is in his prime right now. And when he slips from his prime, he will have many years left still. Because very few players can beat an 'out of form' Nadal. That's the luxury of being a surface GOAT. You can slip, and still dominate. But no slipping this year. He's improving, unfortunately for you.

As for Borg, you know how that h2h became 7-7, right? It didn't start off close at all. I'm only assuming you followed tennis back then. Maybe you didn't.
 
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I think Nadal will face a lot of tough matches during the next few years against Djokovic primarily, on clay and other surfaces as well. If he is not playing at a very high level, it's going to be tough for him to win many majors. Yet, I think he can play as well as he's been playing this year for at least a few more years. I also think that Djokovic will go through some ebbs and flows. I do not expect carbon copies of last year from Djokovic, but having said that, I think that he could very well retain the top ranking if Nadal does not at least maintain this level is exhibiting during 2012, so far. We'll see, there's still a lot of tennis to be played just in 2012. I tend to think that Nadal will end up with more majors than Djokovic, from here on out, but we'll see. As for Borg and McEnroe, their rivalry was always pretty close, right from the beginning. McEnroe won 2 of their first three matches, and then Borg later went up 7-4, winning 3 in a row at one stage. They ended up 7-7, but they only played on grass, hard, and indoors. They never played on clay.
 
Spider said:
I have been reading that since I joined this board in 07. Not happening. Nadal has a lot more years left on the tour. He is not as injury prone as people tend to think he is. He is extremely fit.
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You made me laugh out loud, good one dude.
 
Anyone who makes 4 slam finals in a row (soon to be 5 and 6), isn't injury prone. Also Nadal played more matches than anyone in the world last year. And a 6 hour grand slam final this year. And this is an early-blooming 26-year-old.
 
timnz said:
Borg had more ability to handle a much wider range of surfaCes. Now most of the surfaces tend to medium slow speed, wheras in borgs day they went from very slow clay to super fast grass and indoor carpet. Its ion this latter surface that borg won 2 masters and 1 wct final and alos had a superior head to head record over mcenroe who was one of the all time great indoor players. I just couldnt imagine nadal handling indoor carpet.

Borg only got to play the us open 4 times on hard court and he got to the final 3 of those times plus 1 clay court final.
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You are just another ******* trying to make yourself feel better. Get a life, loser. You are just desperate to somehow insult Nadal to make yourself feel better. VERY SAD...
 
nadal_slam_king said:
Nadal looks twice as good this year compared with his form last year. A repeat of 2010 is most likely. Actually he may be about to top that, because he didn't play Barcelona in 2010. Good chance at going 5-0 this year on clay, clean sweep. So he really is in his prime right now. And when he slips from his prime, he will have many years left still. Because very few players can beat an 'out of form' Nadal. That's the luxury of being a surface GOAT. You can slip, and still dominate. But no slipping this year. He's improving, unfortunately for you.

As for Borg, you know how that h2h became 7-7, right? It didn't start off close at all. I'm only assuming you followed tennis back then. Maybe you didn't.
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You think Nadal is going to be the only player in the world to not start declining especially since he has been on tour winning since he was a teenager? If you think the laws of gravity and physics do not apply to Nadal, you are sadly mistaken. He has a couple of good years left. He has already started to decline slightly. He will be 26 soon and at age 27 or 28 players are no longer in their prime. Once they get past their prime, they can still be good enough to win slams and titles but they will not win those titles at the same rate they did when they were in their prime. This is basic common sense. I think he will win a few more slams and I am not a Nadal hater so if he wins more slams it is not unfortunate for me. I am expecting him to win some more slams but I also know how tennis works and at what age players start to decline. It has been the same way in tennis for forever. I know you want to think Nadal is Superman who will defy the odds of gravity and nature, but that is not going to happen. So Nadal should go all out now and try and win what he can because time is not on his side. Nadal himself realizes this and said something about this recently that I just read the other day after he won Barcelona or MC. He said something like you never know if you are going to have a chance to win something again.

Re Borg, I am very familiar with what happened with his h2h with McEnroe. Borg was my favorite player.
 
I think Borg and Rafa are pretty equal at this point.

Both are true champions and could be considered "honorary" GOAT contenders.

I say honorary, because very few lists would have Borg or Rafa as the ultimate GOAT by the time the dust settles. But OBVIOUSLY, in Rafa's case, he still has time to accomplish a lot more, and could some day be the absolute GOAT.

He is already the Clay GOAT, imo...over Borg and anybody else!
 
Good grief, is that "McEnroe sent Borg into retirement" myth still alive? It's like a flippin' zombie that just refuses to die.

Borg didn't play on the tour in 1982, aside from Monte Carlo, because he ran into disputes with the tennis authorities over how many tournaments he would have to play without being forced to QUALIFY(!) for the majors. It was expected that Borg would be back on the tour full-time for 1983, but he announced during the January 1983 Masters tournament that he wouldn't be returning to tennis full-time.

It had nothing to do with McEnroe at all. Zilch, zero, nadda.
 
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