Born in the USSR

WilPro

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I never understood the communist countries when it came to sports and art. They were interested solely on industry, and that meant heavy industry.

Arts and sports could not get much quality gear. I know for sure, quality guitars were scarce or non-existent for example. Also they wanted to get good results in sports, but with crappy gear. Also they wanted to use arts for propaganda but also with crappy gear.
 

BorgCash

Legend
I never understood the communist countries when it came to sports and art. They were interested solely on industry, and that meant heavy industry.

Arts and sports could not get much quality gear. I know for sure, quality guitars were scarce or non-existent for example. Also they wanted to get good results in sports, but with crappy gear. Also they wanted to use arts for propaganda but also with crappy gear.
They used ( and continue to use these days - modern Russian chiefs are commies and have classical communists cannibal mentality ) sports also for propaganda communists life style only.
 

BorgCash

Legend
There were also very popular tennis racquets in the former USSR, metal Polish Stomil - pirate copy of Head Master. They were selling in soviet sports shops.
My friend and coach used it after Москва and before Kneissl Servo Soft.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I never understood the communist countries when it came to sports and art. They were interested solely on industry, and that meant heavy industry.

Arts and sports could not get much quality gear. I know for sure, quality guitars were scarce or non-existent for example. Also they wanted to get good results in sports, but with crappy gear. Also they wanted to use arts for propaganda but also with crappy gear.
Like brushes for painting and pencils for writing poems and music were of crappy quality? Theaters were build of crappy bricks? I don’t want to argue but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
 

WilPro

Semi-Pro
Like brushes for painting and pencils for writing poems and music were of crappy quality? Theaters were build of crappy bricks? I don’t want to argue but this is getting a bit ridiculous.
My other hobby is guitar. And I seen guitars built in factories in the communist countries. They were definitely crap. Whoever might get his hands on a Fender guitar was a hero and a star. The price of such an instrument was equal to that of a car. And a car in a communist country was equal to about 3 to 7 years salaries of an average proletarian worker.

The big problem was, good guitars were not available at all. Anything good was sold on black market at exorbitant prices.

And this is just an example. There is more to it. Tennis strings, tennis racquet, anything I know was crap in the communist countries but the communist state expected good results to use them for propaganda purposes. They wanted results but invested nothing in that direction.

If you really need solid arguments and documents I can bring them.

I know many people in democratic and capitalist countries think communism is better and argue against the attrocities in former communist countries for the sake of arguing that communism is a great thing. It had good features but overall it was not that great.
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
My other hobby is guitar. And I seen guitars built in factories in the communist countries. They were definitely crap. Whoever might get his hands on a Fender guitar was a hero and a star. The price of such an instrument was equal to that of a car. And a car in a communist country was equal to about 3 to 7 years salaries of an average proletarian worker.

The big problem was, good guitars were not available at all. Anything good was sold on black market at exorbitant prices.

And this is just an example. There is more to it. Tennis strings, tennis racquet, anything I know was crap in the communist countries but the communist state expected good results to use them for propaganda purposes. They wanted results but invested nothing in that direction.

If you really need solid arguments and documents I can bring them.

I know many people in democratic and capitalist countries think communism is better and argue against the attrocities in former communist countries for the sake of arguing that communism is a great thing. It had good features but overall it was not that great.
Nah, mate. I am fully pro a solid argumentative debate but your quotes regarding "art using crappy stuff" made me laugh out loud. You actually haven't reacted to that at all, just btw., because as far I know, music is not the only "art" out there. Plus good gear does not equal good art. Art is a process in your heart and head. Also crappy gear does not equal crappy music. Give Tommy Emmanuel a crappy guitar and the music will still be fine, I'd reckon.

If you're a guitar enthusiast - ever heard of Jolana guitars? Ever heard of Cremona Luby guitars? I'm not saying these were custom shop Fenders or Martins but they were very much competent and fully usable. Plus guys like Frantisek Furch honed their skill during communist era, learning from local luthiers who were/are not half bad at all. Only thing that was missing was exotic woods like rosewood, mahogany and stuff. I've got a sunburst parlor spruce top maple back and sides, made in CSSR in 1958. It's a cannon and I would not swap it for any top of the line custom shop gear out there.

I'm not pro communism or what not (writing this just for the record) but some arguments and thinking here literally makes me wince.
 
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WilPro

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Nah, mate. I am fully pro a solid argumentative debate but your quotes regarding "art using crappy stuff" made me laugh out loud. You actually haven't reacted to that at all, just btw., because as far I know, music is not the only "art" out there. Plus good gear does not equal good art. Art is a process in your heart and head. Also crappy gear does not equal crappy music. Give Tommy Emmanuel a crappy guitar and the music will still be fine, I'd reckon.

If you're a guitar enthusiast - ever heard of Jolana guitars? Ever heard of Cremona Luby guitars? I'm not saying these were custom shop Fenders or Martins but they were very much competent and fully usable. Plus guys like Frantisek Furch honed their skill during communist era, learning from local luthiers who were/are not half bad at all. Only thing that was missing was exotic woods like rosewood, mahogany and stuff. I've got a sunburst parlor spruce top maple back and sides, made in CSSR in 1958. It's a cannon and I would not swap it for any top of the line custom shop gear out there.

I'm not pro communism or what not (writing this just for the record) but some arguments and thinking here literally makes me wince.
I have to admit I didn't experience communist life so I cannot say anything for sure I just heard stories. But according to what many people said life was harsh in those times in that part of the world.

I played a Jolana guitar, though I play bass and that was not a bass guitar. The other brands? I don't know much about them. But Jolana was not something that was in every store or anyone could afford.

Anyway, back to tennis, I think there were good and bad things. Unlike many democratic countries poor people had good access to arts and sport. State covered much of the expenses but I still think gear was crappy. :) LOL!
 

joohan

Hall of Fame
I have to admit I didn't experience communist life so I cannot say anything for sure I just heard stories. But according to what many people said life was harsh in those times in that part of the world.

I played a Jolana guitar, though I play bass and that was not a bass guitar. The other brands? I don't know much about them. But Jolana was not something that was in every store or anyone could afford.

Anyway, back to tennis, I think there were good and bad things. Unlike many democratic countries poor people had good access to arts and sport. State covered much of the expenses but I still think gear was crappy. :) LOL!
I thought we were past "I heard stories" point after the way the debate in this thread has unfolded so far...I guess I was wrong.
 

34n

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I never understood the communist countries when it came to sports and art. They were interested solely on industry, and that meant heavy industry.

Arts and sports could not get much quality gear. I know for sure, quality guitars were scarce or non-existent for example. Also they wanted to get good results in sports, but with crappy gear. Also they wanted to use arts for propaganda but also with crappy gear.
On my opinion it was a return-on-investment kind of thinking. Only the sole entrepreneur and investor was the government and the athletes were government workers.
The investor used to decide which sport was most promising in terms of returns ( obviously decisions were in favor of winter sports ).
The quality of gear was naturally lower and selection was next to zero. But not the gear was holding tennis back. For national level players it was lack of regular international competition. That would require travel expenses far exceeding the gear and wages.
On my level also not the rackets was the main headache. Strings and stringing were more of an issue. And above all - court time during winter. I rarely played on a full size court in winter time.
We practiced in school gyms which were smaller than the court. We shifted the net to one side so one could use a full size side and another played at the net.
 

BorgCash

Legend
On my opinion it was a return-on-investment kind of thinking. Only the sole entrepreneur and investor was the government and the athletes were government workers.
The investor used to decide which sport was most promising in terms of returns ( obviously decisions were in favor of winter sports ).
The quality of gear was naturally lower and selection was next to zero. But not the gear was holding tennis back. For national level players it was lack of regular international competition. That would require travel expenses far exceeding the gear and wages.
On my level also not the rackets was the main headache. Strings and stringing were more of an issue. And above all - court time during winter. I rarely played on a full size court in winter time.
We practiced in school gyms which were smaller than the court. We shifted the net to one side so one could use a full size side and another played at the net.
Yes, Soviet tennis federation was out of international competition because of communist politicians. They did not allowed to play against S. African players.
Yes, it was difficult to find possibility to play during the winter time, but i've never paid for court time.
Stringing costs around 3 roubles if i'm not wrong plus cost of the strings.
 

teachingprotx

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There they are again !
Red v throat Volkls! Man . God I love those t9’s and tr’s so so much . But especially the RED tr’s. Mm mmm mmmmmm
 
My first (wood) rackets came in these case. The sticks are gone. Is there some interesting on the writing?






My second racket had an open throat. Wood or fiberglass? Weights 335 grams.





 

BorgCash

Legend
My first (wood) rackets came in these case. The sticks are gone. Is there some interesting on the writing?






My second racket had an open throat. Wood or fiberglass? Weights 335 grams.





The racquet is a cheap plastic one. Not interesting at all, at least for me. First quality made rate, grip 5, weight - ultra lite.
The covers for most Soviet racquets were made in Ukranian SSR, at Kiev factory. So there is a production information on cover's label - made in 1988, weight - 0,2 kg, price - ..., for two tennis racquets, address, type of cover, etc.
 
The racquet is a cheap plastic one. Not interesting at all, at least for me. First quality made rate, grip 5, weight - ultra lite.
The covers for most Soviet racquets were made in Ukranian SSR, at Kiev factory. So there is a production information on cover's label - made in 1988, weight - 0,2 kg, price - ..., for two tennis racquets, address, type of cover, etc.
Thanks!
 
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