Bowed string/grommet issue?

[Znak]

Encountered a new one today. Was stringing for a friend and once completed I was straightening out the strings and noticed that on the 17th and 18th cross the string bowed. Like I couldn't adjust it, it kept going back to that flexed position — on the 17th it flexed downwards, on the 18th upwards.

I tried to see if it was something I did incorrectly but I'm stumped, could this be a grommet issue? String issue? I did this as a one piece and did a similar racquet not too long ago with no problems... Thanks in advance.

 

[10shoe]

Looks like a misweave.

 

[Znak]

Looks like a misweave.

Ah man. How did I not catch that! Youre right the 18 is running the same weave as the 17.... Damn. Any idea if that'll affect the playability? (I'll restring it for him either way)

 

[fatsandrew7]

good on you for restringing. in my experience playability is not affected, however, i am constantly messing with the string when i’ve done it and played any way


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[esgee48]

Mis weaves are a rite of passage. Multiple chances to catch them exists. [1] when weaving, they should always be opposite the prior string [2] when pulling, you should see the mains go up and down in different directions [3] when you check the frame before you can pat yourself on the back. You will get better and you will catch them in step [1].

 

[Znak]

Mis weaves are a rite of passage. Multiple chances to catch them exists. [1] when weaving, they should always be opposite the prior string [2] when pulling, you should see the mains go up and down in different directions [3] when you check the frame before you can pat yourself on the back. You will get better and you will catch them in step [1].

Good call! I just hit the century mark for stringing and it was my first one... had to happen sooner than later!

 

[Big Bagel]

Ah man. How did I not catch that! Youre right the 18 is running the same weave as the 17.... Damn. Any idea if that'll affect the playability? (I'll restring it for him either way)

The affect will be marginal at best in terms of playability. Most people would not feel the difference; I doubt I would. However, if he notices, it might get in his head and that will affect him more than the actual playability.

Also, don't let him take it to any legitimate competition, as a misweave actually makes the racquet illegal to play with.

 

[Irvin]

@Znak any more I try to weave one ahead and I pull the next string to tension up against the last tensioned string. That makes a marked difference in the hight of each main. It is easier to see which strings to go under and over. if you missweave a string it will be harder to pull it through the mains initially and when you pull it all the way through after tensioning the one above it it will be really easy to pull it up and you'll see the difference. I'm getting ready to string a racket now I'll take some pictures.

 

[jim e]

Just restring it. Racquet should not leave your place that way.
When you string, remember if you go under the first main, you go over the last main, and reverse is true. If that does not happen, then look for mis weave.

 

[fatsandrew7]

Also, don't let him take it to any legitimate competition, as a misweave actually makes the racquet illegal to play with.

ostapenko won the french with a missed loop. i tried to find it again on the forums but couldn’t locate the picture.

could she be penalized for that?


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[Irvin]

ostapenko won the french with a missed loop. i tried to find it again on the forums but couldn’t locate the picture.

could she be penalized for that?

not after the fact

 

[Big Bagel]

ostapenko won the french with a missed loop. i tried to find it again on the forums but couldn’t locate the picture.

could she be penalized for that?


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Irvin is correct. If you're caught with an illegal racquet, all points that have already been played stand, but you cannot keep using the racquet. Since the tournament is over, nothing can be done about that, but she cannot use that in the future unless it is changed.

 

[Irvin]

All points played in good faith stand no matter what.

 

[gmatheis]

Just restring it. Racquet should not leave your place that way.
When you string, remember if you go under the first main, you go over the last main, and reverse is true. If that does not happen, then look for mis weave.

Don't think this would have caught the mistake because the entire cross string was woven the same as the one before it, so it did start either under or over and finish opposite.

 

[Irvin]

Don't think this would have caught the mistake because the entire cross string was woven the same as the one before it, so it did start either under or over and finish opposite.

I agree with you. Some times I start under and other times I start over. It all depends on where the bottom / top cross tie off will be. More often than not I start going over the outer main.

 

[Znak]

@Big Bagel @Irvin @jim e @esgee48 thanks for the tips and suggestions!

 

[Rabbit]

to avoid any wondering, I always weave starting over the outside main. when I do ATW patterns, I always make sure the bulk of the weaving is done over the outside main as well.

 

[Wes]

Don't think this would have caught the mistake because the entire cross string was woven the same as the one before it, so it did start either under or over and finish opposite.

This is correct, however I (and others) understand what @jim e was eluding to. Just needed to be phrased a bit more clearly.
This may help clarify...

As one weaves cross strings, a pattern gets established, and can be noticed (for the majority of, but not every, cross string).
Each time a cross string is installed/woven, if it goes under the first main encountered, it will go over the last main encountered - or vice versa.

This noticeable pattern holds true as long as the cross string currently being installed/woven will encounter the same number of main strings that the previous cross string had also encountered.

Example:
Regardless of whether a racquet has 14/16/18 mains (the key is that there are an even number of mains, which will be encountered/crossed).
After the initial crosses are already in (usually 2 or 3, but could be more... depending on just how many skips are involved), each cross string will be encountering the same number of main strings.
So, each time a cross is woven across the mains, if the cross string begins under the very first main string encountered, then the cross string will finish over the very last main string encountered on the opposite side of the racquet - and vice versa.

 

[Wes]

any more I try to weave one ahead and I pull...

Regarding a sentence that begins with "any more"...

quoted from, https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/17/any-more/

should not be used at the beginning of a sentence as a synonym for “nowadays.” In certain dialects of English it is common to utter phrases like “anymore you have to grow your own if you want really ripe tomatoes,” but this is guaranteed to jolt listeners who aren’t used to it. Even if they can’t quite figure out what’s wrong, they’ll feel that your speech is vaguely clunky and awkward. “Any more” always needs to be used as part of an expression of negation except in questions like “Do you have any more bananas?” Now you won’t make that mistake any more, will you?

 

[Wes]

I did this as a one piece and did a similar racquet not too long ago with no problems... Thanks in advance.

@Znak, did you use an ATW pattern, or did you weave the crosses "bottom up"?

 

[gmatheis]

This is correct, however I (and others) understand what @jim e was eluding to. Just needed to be phrased a bit more clearly.
This may help clarify...

As one weaves cross strings, a pattern gets established, and can be noticed (for the majority of, but not every, cross string).
Each time a cross string is installed/woven, if it goes under the first main encountered, it will go over the last main encountered - or vice versa.

This noticeable pattern holds true as long as the cross string currently being installed/woven will encounter the same number of main strings that the previous cross string had also encountered.

Example:
Regardless of whether a racquet has 14/16/18 mains (the key is that there are an even number of mains, which will be encountered/crossed).
After the initial crosses are already in (usually 2 or 3, but could be more... depending on just how many skips are involved), each cross string will be encountering the same number of main strings.
So, each time a cross is woven across the mains, if the cross string begins under the very first main string encountered, then the cross string will finish over the very last main string encountered on the opposite side of the racquet - and vice versa.

Unless you have a wacky racquet with an odd# off cross strings then yes, every time you weave a cross it ends opposite of the way it begins (over or under).

Watching this can help you catch a single misweave where for example you go over 2 mains in a row. It will not however catch a double misweave (going over 3 mains in a row). It also will not catch when you start the cross weave incorrectly (over instead of under or vise versa) , which often happens after a skipped hole.

So it's not a bad idea to keep an eye on that, but don't rely on it to catch all misweaves.

 

[Wes]

Unless you have a wacky racquet with an odd# off cross strings then yes, every time you weave a cross it ends opposite of the way it begins (over or under).

It doesn't matter if the racquet has 15 crosses... 18 crosses... 19 crosses... 20 crosses... or 21 crosses.
The number of cross strings is irrelevant - whether it's an odd, or an even, number of cross strings.
For the vast majority of the crosses, if you go under the first main encountered, you will go over the last main encountered - or vice versa.

Watching this can help you catch a single misweave where for example you go over 2 mains in a row. It will not however catch a double misweave (going over 3 mains in a row).

Correct.

It also will not catch when you start the cross weave incorrectly (over instead of under or vise versa) , which often happens after a skipped hole.

Also correct, but that's not what happened in this case (the OP's photo shows that the mis-weave occurred above any skipped holes). Therefore, cross #17 and cross #18 both encountered the same number of mains (in this case, 18 mains).
This is also why I very clearly outlined how/why it's the majority of the crosses (not those crosses where skipped holes are involved) that follow this pattern.

 

[Big Bagel]

It doesn't matter if the racquet has 15 crosses... 18 crosses... 19 crosses... 20 crosses... or 21 crosses.
The number of cross strings is irrelevant - whether it's an odd, or an even, number of cross strings.
For the vast majority of the crosses, if you go under the 1st main encountered, you will go over the last main encountered - or vice versa.

I think he meant to say mains instead of crosses. If you have an even number of mains, like almost all racquets, if you go under the first main, you'll go over the last, and vice versa. If you have a wacky racquet with an odd number of mains, if you go under the first main, you will go under the last main, but almost every racquet ever made has an even number of mains (assuming it has mains... I'm looking at you Power Angle).

 

[Wes]

I think he meant to say mains instead of crosses.

Probably so.
However, I'm merely going by what was stated and wanted this "rule" to be crystal clear for any future readers of this thread.
The technicalities/particulars of stringing racquets are already difficult enough to convey in written form. Any additional confusion, is just that.
Always best to keep in mind how things will be read, especially to the uninitiated, when composing a response.
Make sense?

 

[Znak]

@Znak, did you use an ATW pattern, or did you weave the crosses "bottom up"?

These mains finished back at the top, so I did a normal one piece with a short/long side... not sure what that's called?

 

[esgee48]

I would describe it as a natural 1 piece top down pattern since ATW is not required.

 

[Irvin]

Regarding a sentence that begins with "any more"...

quoted from, https://brians.wsu.edu/2016/05/17/any-more/

should not be used at the beginning of a sentence as a synonym for “nowadays.” In certain dialects of English it is common to utter phrases like “anymore you have to grow your own if you want really ripe tomatoes,” but this is guaranteed to jolt listeners who aren’t used to it. Even if they can’t quite figure out what’s wrong, they’ll feel that your speech is vaguely clunky and awkward. “Any more” always needs to be used as part of an expression of negation except in questions like “Do you have any more bananas?” Now you won’t make that mistake any more, will you?

Anymore I do whatever I want.

EDIT: https://www.grammarly.com/blog/anymore-vs-any-more/

 

[gmatheis]

It doesn't matter if the racquet has 15 crosses... 18 crosses... 19 crosses... 20 crosses... or 21 crosses.
The number of cross strings is irrelevant - whether it's an odd, or an even, number of cross strings.
For the vast majority of the crosses, if you go under the first main encountered, you will go over the last main encountered - or vice versa.


Correct.


Also correct, but that's not what happened in this case (the OP's photo shows that the mis-weave occurred above any skipped holes). Therefore, cross #17 and cross #18 both encountered the same number of mains (in this case, 18 mains).
This is also why I very clearly outlined how/why it's the majority of the crosses (not those crosses where skipped holes are involved) that follow this pattern.

I meant main strings for the odd/even thing … sorry I was tired