Discussion in 'Junior League & Tournament Talk' started by SoCalDominates, Mar 14, 2009.
No, that is referred to as hating.
There is no doubt that DB is going to go to college for a period of time, maybe even all 4 years. Players only interested in the pro route don't keep a high GPA and AP courses. Brad isn't stupid. He is smart enough to know that it doesn't matter how much pace you have on the ball, you have mass behind it and that only comes with age, diet and working out. If he is coming on this forum, then you can guarantee that he is reading about every guy out there who is young and struggling on tour. If he went to USC or UCLA he would have access to an unlimited amount of practice opportunities in the LA area along with being able to play a handful of Futures events without having to travel much.
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Not sure anybody noticed but the socal boys both just got their first tour point, and now have a ATP doubles ranking.
Great job, onward and upward.
What I like are the guarentees " he will not make money"!
About a year ago DB was training working on his shots "development" thought this is his summer were gonna win this and that, then he put on about 3 inches over a 4-5 month period and all the work we put in just to have him placing balls in the bottom of the net.
Anyone seeing him would say a year from now this kid will be top 40 or 50 nationaly in the 18's and I would have agreed , he is no. 7 .Oh the pain of developing a kid that "is" still growing.
Some of the guys mentioned I have talked to ,tried to get them to talk about the 3 to 4 hrs of off court training the tour requires ,this subject was a different language they have not started speaking yet , I understand why some struggle out there .
You have to make the semifinals of a futures to get ATP doubles points.
He's leaving himself some wiggle room in the event he does. Nice doubles win.
Hey Andfor you think a big guy "should" have a bigger swing on the forehand or more towards the compact ? Any of you can give me your thoughts on this .
Either #1 Coach is slinging the baloney here or I am misinfomed. I keep hearing him say DB taking 4-5 AP classes and has 4.0 average. My current player goes to a very good public school. He is taking 2 AP classes and 3 honors classes. Has has an average of 5 hours of homework a night. He's extremely bright. He is barely getting in 4 hours of tennis a week. How is it DB can take 4-5 AP's , get in all the tennis practice, and do conditioning 2-3 hours a day. Something doesn't add up.
Coach1, you should copy playing styles similar to top pros that are DB's size.
Isner-6'9"/245lbs., Berdych-6'5"/200lbs., Querry-6'6"/200lbs.
Can't go wrong with big forehand, and Isner like serve.
Pulling for DB!
He home schools ,starts some of his day as early as 430 am to condition and weight lift for a couple hrs. that allows schoolwork from 7 am to 1pm then some tennis around 3pm till 5pm ,,that is what some of his days consist of .
Thanx we are considering those guys already ,been studying a lot of film .thanx though
You could have just said "no" - no need to waste so much space saying you have no good data to provide either
But looks like you came around to the common sense verdict with your first sentence, so solid work
This is why I'm not sold that dad will wise up about the college decision - still seems to think all the guys who fail on tour just didn't actually try to succeed
I dont think he meant playing styles i think he was talking about technique on the forehand.
Is it always TCF's way or the highway?
If you read my post, I said SIMILAR, not EXACTLY.
Forget to take your meds today?
I was just wandering. Because Brad was asking about technique on the forehand.
Off topic: A friend of mine always said there are guys on playgrounds around the country who are better than NBA players.
Do you believe that is true or possible?
TCF I would think you would be on DB's bandwagon big time , think about it this kid up until last year has never had a steady stream of hits ,up until last year he was lucky if he had 2 hits a week but usually it was about 6 to 8 hits a month, the majority (80 %) of his training was from hand fed ball drills .
yet is able to have made the strides he has ,been a blue chip every year , top player in So.Cal no.1 or 2 every year and has done this with No academies no Boca where your hitting against kids 3 to 4 hrs a day and once again has become the player he has .
So since you have never seen him with your own eyes and that has been his training for the last 9 years or so you dont think he has these "mystical intangibles" your talking of ?
and yes technique is what I was asking .
The rate remains 53%. Your assumption of how thiose numbers break down is still a guess.
No doubt some are more physcially talented. May have more and better moves. Jump higher. But as all round basketball players, which requires tremendous teamwork, discipline and hard work, my opinion is they are not better. I played a LOT in my younger days and saw many of the greats on the 4th st playground in lower Manhattan. This summer when NYC opened up some of the playgrounds and inner city tournaments it resulted in a lot of shootings. Very sad to see this American tradition fading out.
Post. A. Source. For. That. Number.
Remains from where? Did I miss you posting a source earlier - I've flipped through the last couple pages but maybe I missed it?
I went to NYU...I fondly remember walking past the 4th street playground...stopping to watch a little from time to time.
The question is did he he take 4-5 AP's this year,
but colleges are looking at what you did on the AP EXAM......
Did you get a 5 on each exam?
( some kids are getting 2's and 3's, so then it is not worth much.)
That is the real question.
Bottom line, if your kid is taking 4-5 AP classes with a good grade on the AP exams, your eye is on college.
My question is there are so many other talented boys out there ( and girls),
why does TT revolve around this one kid?
My question is this. In AP classes in a traditional school 5 APs equal 7.5 hours of studying per night. Obviously no one training full time for tennis could do this. Either Coach #1 is making this stuff up or his homeschool program does not require nearly that much studying for AP's. For my own knowledge I would like to know if the latter is true.
Did not plan on the Jrs. Next year ,will see though .
Sorry, but you are totally misinformed on that. As soon as a you win a match at a Futures in singles or doubles, you get ranking points.
how many hours in a day ? devote 6 to studys 4 to 5 to training what do we have lef=
No offense I just don't think it's nice to call someone misinformed when you yourself have the data completely wrong.
1 futures round doubles you get zero points, 2nd futures round doubles win you get 6 doubles points. The doubles points have zero contribution to your singles ranking or points.
The 2nd round doubles win equaling 6 doubles points will convert to about 1500 - 1650 doubles ranking depending on the number of tournaments played. Since these are 16 team draws that would be at least losing in the semi's before any points would be earned.
1 round singles is 1 singles point.
No, you are wrong. http://www.itftennis.com/procircuit/players/ranking-points.aspx
Check out the second paragraph right below the men's circuit table.
"Doubles Rankings points are only awarded in Futures tournaments in the semi-final and final rounds."
I guess I'm not totally misinformed?
Got, corrected. No ranking yet and 0-4 in first rounds of last 4 futures quals. Nice job though getting the WC in Irvine but a tough draw there too, 0-1 in main draws. Keep plugin, not easy to get that first point.
No. You're so smart you can Google for it.
This what I do not understand. My top player goes to class for 6 hours a day, than has 5 hours of studying on top of that. So he has 11 hours. And he has only 2 APs. Do you mind me asking what school he goes to where you can do 4-5 APs in a total of 6 hours a day. Laurel Springs? Keystone? Kaplan?
Well, it used to be that if you won a rd in dubs, it would be 1 ATP dubs pt. Guess they changed that.
Your son will be well prepared for college is how you should look at it.
My son is at a traditional school, 8 am to 4 pm.
I hear you. It is a tight day. 5 hours of hw, in bed by 1 am.
Yes, this is a generalization, but
the few boys I know who do online only do 2-3 hours a day and that includes studying.
No AP exams, no extra activities, no volunteer work. Their focus is on turning pro.
The girls seem to be more studious, so I will not lump them in this category.
Like I said, some schools allow massive taking of AP classes, the real question is how they did on the exam.
So what your saying is in So.Cal every age group he has been no.1 he is now 16 and nationaly ranked no.7 in the 18's. Now let me tell you this is all exaggerated , let me ad more Semis boys 18's Clay court "a lie ", semis Boys 18ns Winter Nats "Imaginary" round of 16 at the Zoo ,wasn't there it was and "imposter".
Let's see its not really him playing tennis its Andre Agassi , Once again you wonder why I laugh at Higher Education guys like you !
I am sorry that I had that one wrong. I had mistakenly thought I had seen doubles points charts on Futures draw sheets that included the quarterfinal rounds. It makes zero sense that winning earns nothing (what's the rationale? Doubles is easy? First round losers are all chumps, so who cares if you beat them?) Nevertheless, it can be confirmed from the doubles ranking breakdowns of players who play a lot of Futures. For example, I looked up Reid Carleton on the ATP web site. He won in the round of 16, lost in the quarterfinals, in two consecutive weeks in August of 2012 in Canadian Futures tourneys, and got zero points both times. My mistake.
Seriously, if anyone knows a rationale, I would love to hear it. FYI: Carleton won prize money (chump change) in the two Futures that earned zero points.
I don't know a rationale but guessing a scenario here:
A very solid player helps a weak player pairing up in doubles. The team probably can win a couple of rounds but will lose to a strong team in semi or final. A weak player is not awarded a point preventing him/her from an easy access to the next level.
Don't know the rationale behind not giving points, but I can tell you that if you lose in the first round of doubles at a futures event you get no prize money so they really do devalue doubles.
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