Breakdown of Titles by Month - Federer and Nadal

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I thought it would be interesting to compare the percentage of titles won by month for Federer and Nadal:

January - Federer - 9% Nadal - 0%
February - Federer - 8% Nadal - 7%
March - Federer - 10% Nadal - 8%
April - Federer - 4% Nadal - 25%
May - Federer - 9% Nadal - 18%
June - Federer - 9% Nadal - 15%
July - Federer - 10% Nadal - 10%
August - Federer - 9% Nadal - 8%
September - Federer - 7% Nadal - 5%
October - Federer - 13% Nadal - 3%
November - Federer - 12% Nadal - 0%
 
Interesting to see that Fed's is near perfectly evenly spread out except for the clay court season. Rafa on the other hand seems to be like a mountain, with it slowly rising each month until the end of clay and then slowly falling for the rest of the year. Interesting stuff.
 
Not surprised. Nadal generally seems to need a lot of play to get to his best, and generally loses steam in the fall. Also lets not forget that his lesser surfaces are played in fall+winter.
 
Could you also look at what % of total played tournaments they played in each month? I'm guessing Federer also spreads out his tournaments more, while Nadal tends to play more tournaments in spring/summer

McEnroeisanartist said:
At their best, many could argue that Nadal is better than Federer. At their worst, it is clear that Federer is better than Nadal.
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April - Federer - 4% Nadal - 25%
May - Federer - 9% Nadal - 18%
June - Federer - 9% Nadal - 15%

Shows what a one surface pony Nadal is , winning 60% of events in 25 % of the year.
 
Backspin1183 said:
That's what the stats show, so maybe that's how it is. At their best, Nadal is better, at their worst, Federer is better.
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that isn't what the stats show.

it shows what percentage of their own title count were won in each month.

Someone could have just 1 title and have 100% for June. That doesn't mean that their best is better than Federer's.

What the stats show is that Nadal is a 1 dimensional player with most of his titles won on clay. Federer is good on all surfaces.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
that isn't what the stats show.

it shows what percentage of their own title count were won in each month.

Someone could have just 1 title and have 100% for June. That doesn't mean that their best is better than Federer's.

What the stats show is that Nadal is a 1 dimensional player with most of his titles won on clay. Federer is good on all surfaces.
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:D calling Nadal one dimensional player! :D

You wish your fav player had multiple slams on all three surfaces like Nadal.
 
Hahaha...........Fedfarts are getting desperate. I love it :lol:
Their Idol has become a lowly second class support on the Rafa-Djoker show that all they can do is hurl ribbons of non-sense. Pathetic. :twisted:
 
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Has there ever been a more one surface pony for someone with so many titles ? I am not counting Thomas Muster, Kuerten , etc.,

But for anyone with 4+ majors, I think Nadal is probably the worst.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
that isn't what the stats show.

it shows what percentage of their own title count were won in each month.

Someone could have just 1 title and have 100% for June. That doesn't mean that their best is better than Federer's.

What the stats show is that Nadal is a 1 dimensional player with most of his titles won on clay. Federer is good on all surfaces.
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Federer: 69.3% of title are on HC
Nadal: 71.2% of titles are on clay

Yes, a dramatic difference.....[/sarcasm off]
 
tennisaddict said:
April - Federer - 4% Nadal - 25%
May - Federer - 9% Nadal - 18%
June - Federer - 9% Nadal - 15%

Shows what a one surface pony Nadal is , winning 60% of events in 25 % of the year.
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one surface pony winning 4 tournaments on hardcourt this year

18 tournaments won outside clay since the beginning of his career, do you know it's more than a guy like Del Potro ?

it's more than guys like Nalbandian, Gasquet, Berdych, Rafter, Haas ?

5 grand slams outside clay

But he is a one surface pony
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Nadal only wins on clay except 5 grand slams and a total of 18 tournaments won outside clay :lol: :lol:

Some Fed fans here are getting more and more pathetic, like their idol on the court :-P
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Nadal only wins on clay except 5 grand slams and a total of 18 tournaments won outside clay :lol: :lol:

Some Fed fans here are getting more and more pathetic, like their idol on the court :-P
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Quite a few have won 5 grand slam and 18 tournaments. The point is Nadal's wins are pretty heavily weighted towards clay.

During the 3 months, he gets 60 % of his titles and goes into hibernation the rest of the year. Not a mark of a champion.
 
Backspin1183 said:
You didn't answer my question.

So, it's a weak era, eh? I guess it is. If Novak, Federer, Murray, Del Potro were better players, Nadal wouldn't have won so many titles in his career.
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Who cares. It's clay.

This is by far the weakest era ever. There's a reason why the average age of quarterfinalists is like 30. And going up by 1 every year.
 
tennisaddict said:
Quite a few have won 5 grand slam and 18 tournaments. The point is Nadal's wins are pretty heavily weighted towards clay.

During the 3 months, he gets 60 % of his titles and goes into hibernation the rest of the year. Not a mark of a champion.
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Do you think Federer would agree with you?
 
tennisaddict said:
Quite a few have won 5 grand slam and 18 tournaments. The point is Nadal's wins are pretty heavily weighted towards clay.

During the 3 months, he gets 60 % of his titles and goes into hibernation the rest of the year. Not a mark of a champion.
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So what ?

Can you tell me the percentage of clay titles of Federer ? Is it better than the percentage of HC titles of Nadal ?
 
Instead of trying to insult people for no good reason, perhaps you should think as well. It's not about how many tournaments are being played on the surface, it's how many tournaments both Fed and Nadal play on each surface, since we're talking about % of tournaments they won on each surface.

WhiskeyEE said:
Might want to turn on your brain. More tournaments are played on HC durr.
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WhiskeyEE said:
Who cares. It's clay.

This is by far the weakest era ever. There's a reason why the average age of quarterfinalists is like 30. And going up by 1 every year.
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Clay is a more difficult surface to win on than hard court by a large margin. I know, I've played on hard, red and green clay, and a few types of grass.

Hard court is by far the easiest surface to play on. That's why ball bashers can win on it.

Federer winning most of his titles on hard court can easily be spun in a different direction than you're thinking.
 
chicagodude said:
Instead of trying to insult people for no good reason, perhaps you should think as well. It's not about how many tournaments are being played on the surface, it's how many tournaments both Fed and Nadal play on each surface, since we're talking about % of tournaments they won on each surface.
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Well no kidding. The two are highly correlated.

9/14 (64%) important tournaments (slams, wtf, masters) are played on HC.

4/14 (29%) important tournaments are played on clay.

That pretty much reflects what proportion of tournaments are played on those surfaces by the top players.

And surprise surprise, 69% of Federer's titles are won on HC.

71% of Nadal's titles are won on a surface that represents 29% of tournaments. It's just pathetic.
 
All it shows is that Nadal makes the majority of his titles in the spring quarter where most clay matches are played. Also, I don't think it's worth making one for this year because federer hasn't been really productive. I think he's won what 2 titles this year? Maybe even one? So when someone said do one of this year, I think they just want to see nadal's.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
Well no kidding. The two are highly correlated.

9/14 (64%) important tournaments (slams, wtf, masters) are played on HC.

4/14 (29%) important tournaments are played on clay.

That pretty much reflects what proportion of tournaments are played on those surfaces by the top players.

And surprise surprise, 69% of Federer's titles are won on HC.

71% of Nadal's titles are won on a surface that represents 29% of tournaments. It's just pathetic.
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Federer clay titles : 10 out of 77 titles
Nadal hardcourt titles : 15 out of 60 titles

Sorry bro :D
 
tipsa...don'tlikehim! said:
Federer clay titles : 10 out of 77 titles
Nadal hardcourt titles : 15 out of 60 titles

Sorry bro :D
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There's a reason people call clay court specialists dirt ballers. It's a third world surface that no one cares about.

So Federer is relatively weak on a dirt surface that no one cares about. Big deal. Nadal is weak on every surface outside of clay.
 
tennisaddict said:
Has there ever been a more one surface pony for someone with so many titles ? I am not counting Thomas Muster, Kuerten , etc.,

But for anyone with 4+ majors, I think Nadal is probably the worst.
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tennisaddict said:
Quite a few have won 5 grand slam and 18 tournaments. The point is Nadal's wins are pretty heavily weighted towards clay.
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Actually Djokovic is more of a one surface pony than Nadal. 76 % of Djokovic' titles have come on hardcourt, while 70 % of Nadal's have come on clay. Before you start babbling about surface distribution I would like to add that in the majors Djokovic is an even more 'one surface/slam pony' as 66 % of Djokovic' GS titles have come at the Australian Open, whilst 61 % of Nadal's GS titles have come at the French Open.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
There's a reason people call clay court specialists dirt ballers. It's a third world surface that no one cares about.

So Federer is relatively weak on a dirt surface that no one cares about. Big deal. Nadal is weak on every surface outside of clay.
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I'd like Nadal to keep winning the FO, a poor man's slam :D

Nadal weak outside of clay? Fed and Djokovic would love to be that weak on clay.
 
I divided the tournament win % by the percentage of tournaments they played in each month:

January - Federer - 1% Nadal - 0%
February - Federer - 2% Nadal - 1.75%
March - Federer - 0.91% Nadal - 1%
April - Federer - 0.57% Nadal - 1.79%
May - Federer - 0.64% Nadal - 1.29%
June - Federer - 1% Nadal - 1.36%
July - Federer - 1.43% Nadal - 1.67%
August - Federer - 0.75% Nadal - 0.8%
September - Federer - 1.17% Nadal - 0.83%
October - Federer - 1.86% Nadal - 0.3%
November - Federer - 0.86% Nadal - 0%

What we see is that Nadal has a clear peak from Feb-July and then slowly gets less. Federer has three peak areas around the AO, around Wimby and around/after the USO. Federer's Nov. performance is really not that great, he just happens to play a relatively large number of tournaments that late in the year.

NOTE: I only looked at the 5 years 2008-2012, and took the final day of a tournament to determine in what month it fell.
 
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