Breaking: Djokovic developed illness the night before Sinner clash

socallefty

G.O.A.T.
must be the same illness Alcaraz had before/in his match against Zverev

thought Alcaraz also looked uncharacteristically slow and weak in that one

think Djoko would have lost anyway at full strength, but it would have been more of a contest
What - every player who lost was sick?
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
very interesting information

one gets new information all the time

would love to see these statistics - then again alongside the benchmarks
Plenty of independent sources if you are prepared to look - all over the world and even some honest governments that have banned the mRNA genetic treatments.
Interesting to examine these benchmarks?
 

alexio

G.O.A.T.
If he was "sick", he should not have appeared in his match against Sinner and thus he would have still some credibility.
(n)
makes no sense in not appearing, coz anything can happen in the hope for, luck, bad day in the office for sonic, sth else ..slim probability is still there (see nadal case in playing ao for example even though its as clear as day hes not winning it this year no matter injured or not)
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
makes no sense in not appearing, coz anything can happen in the hope for, luck, bad day in the office for sonic, sth else ..slim probability is still there (see nadal case in playing ao for example even though its as clear as day hes not winning it this year no matter injured or not)
So, do not justify his defeat with "supposed ailments" that produced that result.
Is not correct!
:whistle:
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
He started AO with a poor wrist and flu, got better, played pretty great as matches went on... and then got ill again the night before the SF?

God toys with his son!
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Djokovic was OBVIOUSLY suffering from some sort of illness, he was missing easy shots, making UE's all over the place and it was simply balanced out by Sinner playing above average that hid it better. Anyone who thinks that was even close to normal Djokovic is being absurd. This isn't like past excuses, this was clear from watching the match.
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
The history of tennis is one Big asterisk lol
I mean my battle here yesterday was essentially with posters who were simultaneously attributing legitimacy to Sinner for beating Djokovic (fair enough, even if he was ill and playing the worst he's ever played) and taking the credibility of Carlos' 2022 USO citing a declined Cilic and inferior Jannik as reasons.

So when you get down to it, what blew my mind is that not only can AO 2024 also be asterisked (easy to give bullocks reasons just like we can with USO 2022) but also pretty much all of Novak's and Rafa's "CIE" slams, and Roger's "weak era" slams. In fact very little slams have any meaning to them if you dig deeper, especially now with these 32 seed draws.

Who cares about the slower Tennis of the yore? It's irrelevant anyway and Tennis as a sport, asterisked and meaningless.
 
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FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Honeslty - for all the kick back…

It makes way more sense than anything else I saw.

Nothing says it’s impossible for Novak to lose, Father Time, a bad day … etc.

But that was different. Novak was not himself. It was weird.

I’m not making excuses. I’m not even a fan. Just trying to make sense out of those sets.
Yeah it was borderline unwatchable. Medvedev within the first ten minutes of the final has already given a better performance than anything Djokovic managed to do. A good match we got as a result.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
I said it before and I'll say it again. Djokovic was OBVIOUSLY suffering from some sort of illness, he was missing easy shots, making UE's all over the place and it was simply balanced out by Sinner playing above average that hid it better. Anyone who thinks that was even close to normal Djokovic is being absurd. This isn't like past excuses, this was clear from watching the match.

Yes, one of the worst matches in his career...
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
"That's why he was so bad in the first 2 sets."

So he got cured in set 3?
He got marginally better in set 3 but the only thing that kept him in the match was his serve.

Baseline game was still out of sorts, although better than in the first two sets
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
I said it before and I'll say it again. Djokovic was OBVIOUSLY suffering from some sort of illness, he was missing easy shots, making UE's all over the place and it was simply balanced out by Sinner playing above average that hid it better. Anyone who thinks that was even close to normal Djokovic is being absurd. This isn't like past excuses, this was clear from watching the match.
The dumbest thing I've read after the match were posts saying "This is Djokovic's true level, and he finally got exposed! Weak era confirmed!"
 

FeroBango

Hall of Fame
Yes, one of the worst matches in his career...
Flawed as he may be, the guy is usually a great loser. Yet even he couldn't quite fathom how utterly embarassing his level was and as such openly admitted it to being the worst slam match of his life.

Still props to him for not folding entirely and Sinner for capitalising on this version. Many wouldn't have.
 

mavsman149

Hall of Fame
Sinner deserved this title, Novak outside of the Mannarino match never looked like he’d win the tourney. Moving on
 

jm1980

Talk Tennis Guru
More like it showed that just because he reaches a SF, it doesn't mean he is in tip-top shape and form like so many have claimed.
Who was claiming he was in tip-top shape?

Djokovic actually often reaches the latter stages of Slams while not at his best. His base level is pretty high, and many times that is enough to reach SF or even F of Slams... 2016 USO comes to mind as a Slam F he shouldn't have been allowed to reach
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Who was claiming he was in tip-top shape?

Djokovic actually often reaches the latter stages of Slams while not at his best. His base level is pretty high, and many times that is enough to reach SF or even F of Slams... 2016 USO comes to mind as a Slam F he shouldn't have been allowed to reach
I know, but many claimed that if he reaches a SF in AO, then he is in top form and unbeatable.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
I said it before and I'll say it again. Djokovic was OBVIOUSLY suffering from some sort of illness, he was missing easy shots, making UE's all over the place and it was simply balanced out by Sinner playing above average that hid it better. Anyone who thinks that was even close to normal Djokovic is being absurd. This isn't like past excuses, this was clear from watching the match.
A lot of things are *clear* from watching if you analyse properly, but you typically do not admit them.
 

Curtennis

Hall of Fame
It’s obvious he wasn’t feeling great. But that’s part of it. Thats why people don’t usually win 10 out of the last 12 slams or wherever he’s at.
Not feeling well, injury, dumb luck are all part of it. Djoko has been blessed to be as fortunate as he has been when it comes to lady luck. Even the best fall down sometimes. Its part of it.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
The dumbest thing I've read after the match were posts saying "This is Djokovic's true level, and he finally got exposed! Weak era confirmed!"

Weakest era would be Djokovic winning while playing like that, which I could see happen were he facing Medvedev (whose form was a far cry from 2021 USO where he did expose a similar Djokovic) or Zverev, so at least Sinner winning means we're in a slightly less weak era now but let's see how things develop from now on.
 

itrium84

Hall of Fame
He was well enough to double bagel Mannarino four days before that and so he seemed to be playing better. He raised his level to his normal high standard in set 3/4 against Fritz in his previous match where Fritz said he could not keep up the high level that Djokovic was playing for more than two sets while Djokovic played solid all the way. So, it seemed the cold was going away - did the virus get re-activated by the 80mph groundstrokes of Sinner?
Tbh, Sinner would probably win anyway. You ever had common cold?
 

soldat

Rookie
Sinner also played well, and Djokovic made it all the way to the semis and almost made a comeback in set 3 and 4. Would’ve been epic if Djokovic had gone all the way and won the tournament saving a match point from Sinner but it is what it is.

Also I don’t see any advantage to pretend to be injured or sick. If you are a strong player and focused on the game, you will beat your opponent on court and not get distracted.
 

junior74

Talk Tennis Guru
Flawed as he may be, the guy is usually a great loser. Yet even he couldn't quite fathom how utterly embarassing his level was and as such openly admitted it to being the worst slam match of his life.

Still props to him for not folding entirely and Sinner for capitalising on this version. Many wouldn't have.

Fritz couldn't beat the Tear version - which was a lot worse. How Novak won that match is still a mystery.

Sinner was solid throughout, really.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
It’s the other way round, the boosted are always sick now, having days off work, getting everything under the sun, heart problems - plus if the 5 boosters didn’t work then why do you think number 6 will.
Incidentally lots of turbo cancers at the moment and young people dying suddenly - still working it out ? Anyway enjoy your day.
No, they are not. They are perfectly good.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
I said it before and I'll say it again. Djokovic was OBVIOUSLY suffering from some sort of illness, he was missing easy shots, making UE's all over the place and it was simply balanced out by Sinner playing above average that hid it better. Anyone who thinks that was even close to normal Djokovic is being absurd. This isn't like past excuses, this was clear from watching the match.
Djokovic seems to never get sick against players like Mannarino, Fritz, and Tsitsipas though.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Sinner also played well, and Djokovic made it all the way to the semis and almost made a comeback in set 3 and 4. Would’ve been epic if Djokovic had gone all the way and won the tournament saving a match point from Sinner but it is what it is.

Also I don’t see any advantage to pretend to be injured or sick. If you are a strong player and focused on the game, you will beat your opponent on court and not get distracted.
USO 2023...the gift draw for Djokovic.
Likely that was the last major he'll ever win. At nearly 37, he won't go through any two of Alcaraz, Sinner, and Medvedev in succession in the majors.
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
Right, it's not like he beat Sinner in straights at Wimbledon or anything
That was 2023. Sinner has turned a corner and is better mentally and physically and much more confident today. He won't reach peak level till around 2026. Still needs work on his droppers, slices and defense. His coach is bringing out the best in Sinner.
 

Krish0608

G.O.A.T.
I have no problem believing he was under the weather. That plus being out in the sun probably made him feel like crap, which is why his footwork was so uncharacteristically bad.

But the "first two sets" comment is laughable. When you're sick you don't start feeling better and more settled after running around and sweating for a couple hours. You feel even worse.
Only if you don’t drink magic water.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I think that I was among the first to argue for the illness thesis. Novak was playing far too poorly. He was simply uncompetitive from the beginning.

Medvedev two two-set lead in the final while fresh also makes Novak's play look questionable.
 

Garro

Rookie
Look, I'm not a fan of Djokovic but it's obvious something was wrong with him.

He didn't even get one break point opportunity in the whole match.
Something that - by the way - never happened to Djokovic before or to Federer and Nadal in their entire careers.

Edit: Not in a completed grand slam match anyway, and they are not returners of Djokovic's caliber either.

Definitely too early to write Djokovic off for 2024. This loss might mean he won't finish the year as #1, but let's see how it looks in the next few tournaments.
 

Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
No, they are not. They are perfectly good.
Maybe the ones that stopped at 2 - hopefully they will OK. 85 percent of Australians who were forced to get 2 doses of the experimental gene therapy , the poison, refused the booster, which is a telling statistic. That’s all I want to say on the matter and prefer to focus on other more happy topics and hope you respect the sensitive nature of this.
 
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Crocodile

G.O.A.T.
I think the best thing to say about the Novak situation and all the other players on the men’s tour is see how things play out for the rest of 2024 and early 2025.
Unless you are directly connected to the players and their teams, we don’t really know, and most of the media stories going round should not really be trusted: Hopefully there are some tennis journalists or tennis experts that are accurate and honest.
As far as the state of the tour, Novak turns 37 on May 22nd 2024, and that’s an age where many professional male tennis players reach their limit in terms of winning GS. Roger was 37 years and 2 months and in an earlier time Ken Rosewell held the record as the youngest and oldest GS winner. The question is can Novak keep winning or not.
Guys like Sinner are about 15 years younger, Alcaraz a bit more, and their joints, ligaments and tendons are a bit more absorbent from shock than an older athlete in sports like tennis. Even Roger who also looked after himself and played a very efficient style of tennis developed wear and tear in his lower back and knees, enough to make competing at the highest level less enjoyable.
On the other side the young guys can also have unpredictable issues pop up in their careers including the massive mental pressure they are under as athletes and they too can suffer bad injuries. There is a lot of good management involved and luck as well.
If you want to know more about the future of these players, getting a job on the tour would be the way to go but once you are on the inside , you won’t be talking on a forum like this one:
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Some were "forced" to buy EVs as well, I presume?

Maybe the ones that stopped at 2 - hopefully they will OK. 85 percent of Australians who were forced to get 2 doses of the experimental gene therapy , the poison, refused the booster, which is a telling statistic. That’s all I want to say on the matter and prefer to focus on other more happy topics and hope you respect the sensitive nature of this.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Maybe the ones that stopped at 2 - hopefully they will OK. 85 percent of Australians who were forced to get 2 doses of the experimental gene therapy , the poison, refused the booster, which is a telling statistic. That’s all I want to say on the matter and prefer to focus on other more happy topics and hope you respect the sensitive nature of this.
I have 5 total including boosters and I am doing good
 

GrandSlam24

Rookie
Of all the tournaments, Novak needs a win in Melbourne the least, unless he wants to win all 4. But that's not possible. So of the 4 tournaments, Australia is the one you can most likely do without. The other 3 would get him further statistically. And he won't win all 4 in one year. Besides, he stayed in first place, so nothing bad actually happened. You can relax. 10 titles are enough. Even if he sees it differently, of course.
 

messiahrobins

Hall of Fame
This loss has really hurt the djokovic team and his media friends it seems. Mouratogalou came out with equally bizarre rambling nonsense saying djokovic will be relieved to have lost, implying therefore he lost on purpose.
Not sure why they are so salty. He has the slam record. He is 37 so obviously not the player he was 10-15 years ago. Losses like this are bound to happen. Cannot understand coming out with stuff like this. Unlike an injury that can be verifired if a player misses subsequent events, citing an illness just seems like salty nonsense when claiming it got better as the match wore on.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Novak played a sub-par match from the beginning, so it's interesting to speculate whether Nikolic is accurate or not.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Slams are like marathons that last two weeks, so illness, injuries, long matches, and other events are all part of their beauty.
 

aus89

Hall of Fame
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