Breaking: Djokovic on course to double Nadal's week's at world number one after Alcaraz AO quarter final loss

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412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
 
Hitman said:
412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
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Holy moly. That’s just insane.
 
Hitman said:
412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
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That's not to mention that even during clay portion of the season itself he doesn't have that much to defend either until RG! Correct me if i am wrong, but it's collectively around only something like 250-300 ranking points?? Personally i think Novak has it on the plate all the way until after RG concludes at very least! And situation may as well improve even further if he wins AO and decides to participate in one of the sunshine double masters in March and somehow manages to win title there! And i doubt he will have worse RG preparation, than he had last year!...It cannot be any worse than that, unless he loses every first match of each clay tournament...LOL
 
Hitman said:
412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
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Nadal isnt 2nd on the weeks at no.1 list. I think connors federer sampras all ahead of him?
 
NonP said:
I named it in the very post you quoted:

Home - The Tennis Base

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You do need to fork up dollars/euros for access (though you can try it out for a week), but no worries, I've done you the favor of digging up the rankings myself as it's been a while since my last time. Here they are (I'm somewhat uncomfortable sharing the whole thing, but it's one of their many tables so I doubt they'll mind):

1
USA​
723​
2
AUS​
452​
3
NZL​
378​
4
SUI​
306​
5
USA​
291​
6
USA​
290​
7
SRB​
282​
8
CZE​
263​
9
USA​
237​
10
GBR​
232​
11
ESP​
211​
11
GBR​
211​
13
SWE​
167​
14
USA​
166​
15
AUS​
143​
15
USA​
143​
17
USA​
139​
18
IRL​
133​
19
GBR​
129​
20
USA​
119​
21
IRL​
115​
22
GBR​
108​
23
USA​
105​
23
ECU​
105​
25
AUS​
104​
25
GBR​
104​
27
USA​
89​
28
AUS​
81​
28
ROU​
81​
30
GBR​
76​
31
USA​
75​
32
SWE​
72​
33
FRA​
65​
34
USA​
64​
35
USA​
62​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
GBR​
52​
36
USA​
52​
36
GBR​
52​



Even the ATP's YE rankings are far from sacrosanct. I've got Pete with 7 (including '99) and Fed with 6 ('03), and recent years like '17 and '19 are not such clear-cut cases, either.
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Then there's the whole CYGS thing...
I know it's hard to believe but there was actually a lot of tennis played pre the millennium.
 

Fed + 100

is now guaranteed! raz defends 550p in next 5 weeks and is currently 600p behind nole who can get up to 1200p depending on what he does in AO and he defends nothing next 5 weeks. medvedev can max close AO with 390p behind nole and is defending 500p in next 5 weeks. how many weeks is nole...
tt.tennis-warehouse.com tt.tennis-warehouse.com
 
Aim should be minimum 500, ideally 600. That would be 2-4 years at number 1. Nextgens aren’t consistent enough so Djokovic should stay as number 1 with 2 slam wins average a year + 2 other SF/F, 1-2 masters and YEC every year. I think he could keep that going until 2026 at least.
 
I remember when Djoko was still on 200 something weeks, and Federer had the record of 310, some were saying he’s not only gonna break the Maestro’s record, but even get to 400 weeks. I thought it was absurd at the time, now there is talk he’ll even make 450, which I think is plausible. Dunno, but if he makes 500 weeks at No1 (something I’m not willing to bet against), that would be the equivalent of Nadal’s 14 RGs.
 
Hitman said:
412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
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500 weeks and probably 30 slams is where it stops. Lol
 
Hitman said:
412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
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I was waiting for this last few years, now it's finally within reach. :)
 
I don't understand these numbers. It's reached a point where I don't even know what to think of them anymore.
 
Djokovic could come close to 450 but 500 is very tough..... 500 means 2 more years at the top.... that would need him to dominate the entire 2024 and 2025.
 
Razer said:
Why do you troll every thread with your sad regurgitated statements like asterix era, DO, Djokovic open and what not ?

What "normal circumstances" are you talking about ? Did anyone do anything to the ATP players to create a vacuum for Novak to win ? How stupid is it disregard Novak's wins are not normal circumstances? Do you have any integrity left or are you no longer a tennis fan and reduced to just a troll ?

IMO, You should be banned from the forum for polluting every thread with your repeated rants.
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Strong rule MUST be banned.
 
Razer said:
Why do you troll every thread with your sad regurgitated statements like asterix era, DO, Djokovic open and what not ?

What "normal circumstances" are you talking about ? Did anyone do anything to the ATP players to create a vacuum for Novak to win ? How stupid is it treat Novak's wins as not normal circumstances? Do you have any integrity left or are you no longer a tennis fan and reduced to just a troll ?

IMO, You should be banned from the forum for polluting every thread with your repeated rants.
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I am not for bans but in this case an exception is warranted.
 
Razer said:
Why do you troll every thread with your sad regurgitated statements like asterix era, DO, Djokovic open and what not ?

What "normal circumstances" are you talking about ? Did anyone do anything to the ATP players to create a vacuum for Novak to win ? How stupid is it treat Novak's wins as not normal circumstances? Do you have any integrity left or are you no longer a tennis fan and reduced to just a troll ?

IMO, You should be banned from the forum for polluting every thread with your repeated rants.
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I'm writing facts. This is clearly the weakest era. If anything, you are angry because you know it's true. Funny how you never complain about Djokovic fans hyping non stop wins over absolute mugs. Or even worse, some of them claim that Djokovic somehow was unlucky in his career. Yeah, such bad luck, didn't vulture ANOTHER Wimbledon in 2020.
 
Hitman said:
Correct.
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This is all gravy, Djok himself didn’t care last year to get to 400, it just happened organically …I believe he was after the Roger number. Now it’s all slams. He knows there will be a section of tennis fans and media that will never give him the due recognition so make these numbers so monumental that there will be a large consensus when he is done. I don’t think Rafa is done winning slams not until RG exists anyway so Djokovic will want to put some distance there.
 
pirhaksar said:
This is all gravy, Djok himself didn’t care last year to get to 400, it just happened organically …I believe he was after the Roger number. Now it’s all slams. He knows there will be a section of tennis fans and media that will never give him the due recognition so make these numbers so monumental that there will be a large consensus when he is done. I don’t think Rafa is done winning slams not until RG exists anyway so Djokovic will want to put some distance there.
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I understand. It's not really about if he cares or not, the fact is, he is on course to do it.

That is absurd. To DOUBLE Nadal's weeks at world number one.....he has made a true mockery of the numbers like never before.
 
Phoenix* said:
Nadal can't cheat his way through with that record - you have to dominate the whole tour to be #1. Clay alone doesn't cut it.
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Clay is a legit surface there’s no cheating. 14 RGs is just mind numbing even if you are not a fan. Can we not dump on Rafa while celebrating Novak’s stunning numbers?
 
StrongRule said:
I'm writing facts. This is clearly the weakest era. If anything, you are angry because you know it's true. Funny how you never complain about Djokovic fans hyping non stop wins over absolute mugs. Or even worse, some of them claim that Djokovic somehow was unlucky in his career. Yeah, such bad luck, didn't vulture ANOTHER Wimbledon in 2020.
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Wins are wins, if the whole field is filled with mugs then better to stop being a tennis fan or take a break from tennis than cry daily.
Djokovic was of course unlucky throughout his career, he had only 1 slam at a time when Federer and Nadal had 16 and 9 respectively, so them blocking his path and he rising from it to reach this far means he was unlucky from mid 2000s until late 2010s. Nadal is of the same age as Djokovic, if Nadal is not man enough to win wimbledons from Djokovic then that is on him, no point using fancy terms like vulturing when your player isn't good enough.
 
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Razer said:
Wins are wins, if the whole field is filled with mugs then better to stop being a tennis fan or take a break from tennis than cry daily.
Djokovic was of course unlucky throughout his career, he had only 1 slam at a time when Federer and Nadal had 16 and 9 respectively, so them blocking his path and he rising from it to reach this far means he was unlucky from mid 2000s until late 2010s. Nadal is of the same age as Djokovic, if Nadal not man enough to win wimbledons from Djokovic then that is on him, no point using fancy terms like vulturing when your player isn't good enough.
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Exactly
Not good enough.

It's a straight shooting game. 22 is lesser than 24. Own it.
 
Hitman said:
412 weeks are locked in, even if he doesn't win another match at AO.

418 weeks is the target, and with the amount of points both Alcaraz and Medvedev have to defend post AO heading into the European clay season.....Alcaraz with title in Buenos Aires, Indian Wells, finals in Rio, semi in Miami....Medvedev with title in Rotterdam, Doha, Dubai, Miami and finals in IW....it will be very hard for them to take the top spot away. Possible, but very hard considering what they are defending and with Novak only defending 180 points post AO until start of clay season.

Crazy to think Djokovic is now on the path to pull this off.
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If he loses against Sinner, the gap will be 600 points. Alcaraz can only win 200 points (from Rio) until Miami so it's mathematically impossible for him to overtake Djokovic until the clay season Medvedev defends everything between Rotterdam and Miami and he's still too far behind. If Sinner wins the AO the Italian will become a serious candidate, though. He has a lot less to defend than Alcaraz/Medvedev between AO and RG. There may be a huge battle in the coming months between these 4.

If Djokovic wins the AO, he'll still have +1800. He'd be almost certain to stay number #1 until RG. Let's see how he deals with his calendar though. Will he play Dubaï and the Sunshine Double, it'll be a huge question. If he wins the AO and grabs some points in IW/Miami, I don't see anyone overtaking him anytime soon.
 
Razer said:
Wins are wins, if the whole field is filled with mugs then better to stop being a tennis fan or take a break from tennis than cry daily.
Djokovic was of course unlucky throughout his career, he had only 1 slam at a time when Federer and Nadal had 16 and 9 respectively, so them blocking his path and he rising from it to reach this far means he was unlucky from mid 2000s until late 2010s. Nadal is of the same age as Djokovic, if Nadal is not man enough to win wimbledons from Djokovic then that is on him, no point using fancy terms like vulturing when your player isn't good enough.
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And you forgot to add this: if it was Rafa doing the winning bet your last dollar there won’t be these daily rants. In jest, I am really hoping Djokovic can get to 30 slams so these guys can quit tennis altogether…
 
Razer said:
Wins are wins, if the whole field is filled with mugs then better to stop being a tennis fan or take a break from tennis than cry daily.
Djokovic was of course unlucky throughout his career, he had only 1 slam at a time when Federer and Nadal had 16 and 9 respectively, so them blocking his path and he rising from it to reach this far means he was unlucky from mid 2000s until late 2010s. Nadal is of the same age as Djokovic, if Nadal is not man enough to win wimbledons from Djokovic then that is on him, no point using fancy terms like vulturing when your player isn't good enough.
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Both is viable.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
Exactly
Not good enough.

It's a straight shooting game. 22 is lesser than 24. Own it.
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As much as we like to talk slams Djokovic was always going to have a better wholesome resume given his M1000 dominance and no 1 ranking. In some ways Rafa was sandwiched between Roger and Djokovic and injured often but then his game style is such where he lives and dies by every point, it won him boatloads but also comes with a premium.
 
Its quite simple.

Djokovic gap to Alcaraz 600 pts
Djokovic gap to Medvedev 1600 pts
Djokovic gap to Sinner 2700 pts



Djokovic is defending 375 points or so from now till April. He can gain 1200 pts from AO.
Alcaraz is defending 1910 points from now till April. But he has already lost in AO.
Sinner is defending 1510 points from now till April. He can gain 1200 pts from AO.
Medvedev is defending 2850 points from now till April. He can gain 1200 pts from AO.

So Alcaraz is effectively 2220 pts behind Djokovic NOW. If Djokovic wins AO, he would be 3400 pts behind. Game over to take ranking by April 1st.
Sinner is effectively 1800 pts behind Djokovic NOW. If he wins AO, he reduces the gap to 600. He will need to WIN AO and do better than his 1510 by winning at least 1 masters and another few good results. He can overtake it in best case.
Medvedev is 4100 pts behind Djokovic. Even if he wins AO, he would be 2800 pts behind. He will have better chance than Alcaraz but he is not winning 2800 pts between post AO to pre MC. So its game over for him as well.

Only Sinner has chance and its a remote chance. If he falters, April 1st or whatever that weekend, Djokovic will become the oldest world number 1 of all time. Federer longevity will be lesser than Djokovic's.
 
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