Breaking: Djokovic on course to double Nadal's week's at world number one after Alcaraz AO quarter final loss

Clay is a legit surface there’s no cheating. 14 RGs is just mind numbing even if you are not a fan. Can we not dump on Rafa while celebrating Novak’s stunning numbers?
Clay is legitimate, but it's a side thing on tour and is treated as such by everyone except 1 guy who builds his season around it. He then beats the tour at its weakest, wins some titles, and we're supposed to value them the same way as we do the ones won against the tour at its best - on hard court? Not happening.

And that's why he can't "cheat" his way through to #1. He has to be the best where it matters - the main surface.
 
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I am mostly considering Djokovic will not play post AO till April. He does not have to play these masters tournaments ANY more. Yes he would love to play in USA again, but why bother. He can play Cincinnati and USOpen.
 
Wins are wins, if the whole field is filled with mugs then better to stop being a tennis fan or take a break from tennis than cry daily.
Djokovic was of course unlucky throughout his career, he had only 1 slam at a time when Federer and Nadal had 16 and 9 respectively, so them blocking his path and he rising from it to reach this far means he was unlucky from mid 2000s until late 2010s. Nadal is of the same age as Djokovic, if Nadal is not man enough to win wimbledons from Djokovic then that is on him, no point using fancy terms like vulturing when your player isn't good enough.
Sadly, Nadal had lots of injuries in his career. Real injuries, not magical ones.
 
Sadly, Nadal had lots of injuries in his career. Real injuries, not magical ones.

Djokovic had to deal with serious health issues from 2005 to 2010, then again from 2016 to 2018 and with "extra" situations like DQs, deportations, cancelations, not being able to play events, etc. In the end, there's not much of a difference there. Especially considering the gap in terms of achievements is sizable in some aspects like weeks at #1 and YECs.
 
Djokovic had to deal with serious health issues from 2005 to 2010, then again from 2016 to 2018 and with "extra" situations like DQs, deportations, cancelations, not being able to play events, etc. In the end, there's not much of a difference there. Especially considering the gap in terms of achievements is sizable in some aspects like weeks at #1 and YECs.
When Nadal gets a whole year (leave alone many such years) with Tsitsipas and Ruud as main competition, then start comparing how lucky they were.

Already waiting for you to once again bring the BS of Ruud somehow being Nadal's main opponent in DO 2022.
 
Pretty incredible honestly and the scary thing about this is he'd probably be closing in on 450 weeks if covid never happened. This is why more then Slam count matters when you are talking about whole careers. Look at the guys who have 250+ weeks. Djokovic, Federer, Sampras, Lendl and Connors. Only Connors' total is suspect because of a flawed system but the rest of them are legit. They dominated their eras and this is reflected in your total weeks at #1.
 
I remember when Djoko was still on 200 something weeks, and Federer had the record of 310, some were saying he’s not only gonna break the Maestro’s record, but even get to 400 weeks. I thought it was absurd at the time, now there is talk he’ll even make 450, which I think is plausible. Dunno, but if he makes 500 weeks at No1 (something I’m not willing to bet against), that would be the equivalent of Nadal’s 14 RGs.
they didn't expel Rafa or prevent him from playing at RG, they didn't freeze RG. They did not suspend RG.

on the other hand, they froze Noles 22 weeks at no1, disqualified him, expelled him, prevented him from playing, didn't count his points, suspended W when he was a huge favorite and he's on his way to being at the top twice as much as Rafa. if everything was regular, he would probably have more weeks than Fed and Rafa combined at the end of his career.
 
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When Nadal gets a whole year (leave alone many such years) with Tsitsipas and Ruud as main competition, then start comparing how lucky they were.

When did Djokovic get that? Weren't Alcaraz, Medvedev, Sinner, Zverev, etc around?



Already waiting for you to once again bring the BS of Ruud somehow being Nadal's main opponent in DO 2022.

Ruud wasn't Nadal's main opponent and he wasn't Djokovic's either.
 
When did Djokovic get that? Weren't Alcaraz, Medvedev, Sinner, Zverev, etc around?





Ruud wasn't Nadal's main opponent and he wasn't Djokovic's either.
Yeah, the 6-1 6-1 boy was definitely some hell of an opponent. Or Sinner who lost Wimbledon semifinal in straight sets, and will lose in straights again tomorrow. Same about the others.
 
Yeah, the 6-1 6-1 boy was definitely some hell of an opponent. Or Sinner who lost Wimbledon semifinal in straight sets, and will lose in straights again tomorrow. Same about the others.

He should drop sets on purpose to make it more competitive? Were Djokovic and Federer bad opponents because Nadal beat them in straights back to back in Roland Garros 2008 (and dropping 4 games in one of them)?
 
Djokovic could come close to 450 but 500 is very tough..... 500 means 2 more years at the top.... that would need him to dominate the entire 2024 and 2025.
It is tough, but if he keeps winning a couple of slams per year, and others continue not to be consistent, and split points between themselves, why not? Novak doesn't need 11 000 points anymore, 8000 or 9000 could be enough.
 
It is tough, but if he keeps winning a couple of slams per year, and others continue not to be consistent, and split points between themselves, why not? Novak doesn't need 11 000 points anymore, 8000 or 9000 could be enough.

Sinner and the boys are narrowing the gap, so I donno. If Novak loses at Slams then he will have to play masters and other tourneys more, I dont think he will be up for it...
 
It is tough, but if he keeps winning a couple of slams per year, and others continue not to be consistent, and split points between themselves, why not? Novak doesn't need 11 000 points anymore, 8000 or 9000 could be enough.
He won't be winning all the slams like 2023

And he will reduce schedule even further. Last year was anamoly where he won 2 masters and ATP finals. But he has reduced the rate of winning bo3 after pandemic started by a huge margin.

I think when we are near mid 2023 season, we might get the idea if Djokovic has a chance for year end number 1. But this will be absolutely the last chance for him. He doesn't have the age to fight for ATP number 1 anymore. He can peak for slams only and that's what he will try to do.
 
I'm writing facts. This is clearly the weakest era. If anything, you are angry because you know it's true. Funny how you never complain about Djokovic fans hyping non stop wins over absolute mugs. Or even worse, some of them claim that Djokovic somehow was unlucky in his career. Yeah, such bad luck, didn't vulture ANOTHER Wimbledon in 2020.
Djokovic cannot be blamed for the compettion. All he can do is keep winning. His undisputed goat claims though are damaged that until nadal couldnt really play he was 2 slams behind. If nadal comes back and wins the fo, then this entire era will be a laughing stock and the biggest beneficiary would be federer whichnjs why i am sure he has stated henlikes djokovic winning slams setting records. Other sports fans are starting to be very dismissive of tennis now. 36 year olds dominating is embarrassing. Tv ratings are collapsing
 
Clay is legitimate, but it's a side thing on tour and is treated as such by everyone except 1 guy who builds his season around it. He then beats the tour at its weakest, wins some titles, and we're supposed to value them the same way as we do the ones won against the tour at its best - on hard court? Not happening.

And that's why he can't "cheat" his way through to #1. He has to be the best where it matters - the main surface.
Most nonsense post ive ever seen lol. Not even sure what the point is other than taking nadals best surface offmhis count. He still has 8 slams lol. Take hard court off djokoviv he has 10 slams. Take grass off federer he has 12 slams. So are you arguing federer is goat?
 
He should drop sets on purpose to make it more competitive? Were Djokovic and Federer bad opponents because Nadal beat them in straights back to back in Roland Garros 2008 (and dropping 4 games in one of them)?
Don't think anyone ever claimed that Federer was playing great tennis in that match. And I'm sure that if he lost like that to a 36 years old Nadal (while being in his prime himself), that would forever be used against him.
 
Most nonsense post ive ever seen lol. Not even sure what the point is other than taking nadals best surface offmhis count. He still has 8 slams lol. Take hard court off djokoviv he has 10 slams. Take grass off federer he has 12 slams. So are you arguing federer is goat?
Taking off 2 slams from Djokovic and he still has 10. One of them he is almost the best ever with 7 titles.
It's not just about maths.

He defended the Wimbledon title four times in his career. 2015 2019 2021 2022.

Federer defended Wimbledon four times as well. 2004 2005 2006 2007.

Djokovic and Federer have no worries. Federer has 11 slams on hc and Djokovic had 7 on grass.
 
Taking off 2 slams from Djokovic and he still has 10. One of them he is almost the best ever with 7 titles.
It's not just about maths.

He defended the Wimbledon title four times in his career. 2015 2019 2021 2022.

Federer defended Wimbledon four times as well. 2004 2005 2006 2007.

Djokovic and Federer have no worries. Federer has 11 slams on hc and Djokovic had 7 on grass.
Nadal has kore majors off claynthan mcenroe and edberg and becker had in their careers and the same as agassi and connors. Nadal has no worries either. Youmdont get minus points for being the most dominant sportsperson at an event in history. Its a plus point.
 
It is actually hard to believe. Or Federer winning USO 5 times in a roll, winning the last at age 27, and never again.
At least he made multiple finals(and had all those match points to advance to a final) and i think the new roof did him in there(preventing a few more legit shots at it), it made conditions very humid and air non existant at court level.
Can't remember which match was it but i remember i have never seen him sweat so much.
 
Djokovic cannot be blamed for the compettion. All he can do is keep winning. His undisputed goat claims though are damaged that until nadal couldnt really play he was 2 slams behind. If nadal comes back and wins the fo, then this entire era will be a laughing stock and the biggest beneficiary would be federer whichnjs why i am sure he has stated henlikes djokovic winning slams setting records. Other sports fans are starting to be very dismissive of tennis now. 36 year olds dominating is embarrassing. Tv ratings are collapsing
You need to check those ratings again because this is not correct. 2023 RG semis and final had good ratings in France and better than 2022 in the US. Both were higher than 2022. 2023 Wimbledon final had high ratings in the UK and US, and up there with the glory days of Djokovic/Federer. 2023 US Open had the highest rated semis ever on ESPN combined for men and women. Djokovic/Shelton was the highest rated semi for men and women. The final was higher rated than 2022 USO final. So if anything Djokovic is keeping the interest as the only big 3 member who's still playing full time.
 
Djokovic could come close to 450 but 500 is very tough..... 500 means 2 more years at the top.... that would need him to dominate the entire 2024 and 2025.

I think he can do it.

Federer was near 38, dealing with declining knees, and still at times hitting #2 if I recall correctly.

The only person really stopping him consistently was Novak.

I think Novak can do better with his ranking the next two years than Federer w his 37th and 38th year.
 
I think he can do it.

Federer was near 38, dealing with declining knees, and still at times hitting #2 if I recall correctly.

The only person really stopping him consistently was Novak.

I think Novak can do better with his ranking the next two years than Federer w his 37th and 38th year.
But for Novak Fed could have won more post turning 37…truly remarkable athlete!
 
I think he can do it.

Federer was near 38, dealing with declining knees, and still at times hitting #2 if I recall correctly.

The only person really stopping him consistently was Novak.

I think Novak can do better with his ranking the next two years than Federer w his 37th and 38th year.

Sinner and Alcaraz will narrow the gap by the end of this year, the youngsters today are stronger than the ones in 2018-2019, the guys challenging Djokovic are probably stronger and more importantly 14-16 years younger too. 2000s born gens are better than the 1990s born losers.
 
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The loved part is what the non nolefams have been reduced to.

Don't even give them a chance nolefams. Keep celebrating.

Right now we are talking about Djokovic doubling his weeks at number 1 vs Nadal. An impressive stat but not so impressive because Nadal is a clay courter who had good success outside clay.

For Federer though, 100+ weeks vs once considered GOD of tennis, it's huge.
 
You need to check those ratings again because this is not correct. 2023 RG semis and final had good ratings in France and better than 2022 in the US. Both were higher than 2022. 2023 Wimbledon final had high ratings in the UK and US, and up there with the glory days of Djokovic/Federer. 2023 US Open had the highest rated semis ever on ESPN combined for men and women. Djokovic/Shelton was the highest rated semi for men and women. The final was higher rated than 2022 USO final. So if anything Djokovic is keeping the interest as the only big 3 member who's still playing full time.
Strange then that amazon prime didnt bid for the tv rights. Ratings on the bbc for wimbledon were terrible bar the final. Eurosport will have a huge balkans audience.
As foemthw usa i cant comment but given tennis is an irrelevant sport thrre now and has been for years i find it hard to believe tennis gets big viewing figures.
Djokovic is still a big draw. Nobody else is other than nadal who has barely plaed for 2 years. Alcaraz had potential to be a big draw but he wont be now as much as his star is waning, 6 months doing nothing at his age will mean casual fans will forget about him. The rest are insignificant, none are crowd pullers at all.
 
Strange then that amazon prime didnt bid for the tv rights. Ratings on the bbc for wimbledon were terrible bar the final. Eurosport will have a huge balkans audience.
As foemthw usa i cant comment but given tennis is an irrelevant sport thrre now and has been for years i find it hard to believe tennis gets big viewing figures.
Djokovic is still a big draw. Nobody else is other than nadal who has barely plaed for 2 years. Alcaraz had potential to be a big draw but he wont be now as much as his star is waning, 6 months doing nothing at his age will mean casual fans will forget about him. The rest are insignificant, none are crowd pullers at all.
Well the Wimbledon bbc ratings might be because of the women, since their final ratings were disappointing, and it wasn't that exciting overall. The tournament did break digitial streaming records though. The Americans have helped bring good ratings at the USO in 2022 amd 2023. Throw Djokovic in the mix and it definitely helps them. People probably wouldn't be as interested in Shelton versus Medvedev. Djokovic/Shelton was the highest rated broadcast at that time slot by far on cable tv so that's pretty good for tennis, considering the sport isn't one of the most popular in the US. Gauff got great ratings in the final and best ever for ESPN for a women's final.
 
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hmm interesting what means weakera double n in avi..maybe novak no, kinda dont win it pls
 
Nadal had much bigger advantage than Novak and yet he emerged as a loser.

He won 9 slams by age 24 while Nole was still on 1-2 slams by the time he turned 24.

Despite advantage of a better career early he lost .... why ? ... Same age as Nole and still got bested.

The true bigger advantage:
Nole is by far Rafa's top rival at RG.
Assuming the same holds true for Nole with Rafa as his top rival by far at AO, Wimbledon, and the US Open, could Nole be close to 40 in slam count?
 
Well the Wimbledon bbc ratings might be because of the women, since their final ratings were disappointing, and it wasn't that exciting overall. The tournament did break digitial streaming records though. The Americans have helped bring good ratings at the USO in 2022 amd 2023. Throw Djokovic in the mix and it definitely helps them. People probably wouldn't be as interested in Shelton versus Medvedev. Djokovic/Shelton was the highest rated broadcast at that time slot by far on cable tv so that's pretty good for tennis, considering the sport isn't one of the most popular in the US. Gauff got great ratings in the final and best ever for ESPN for a women's final.
How much of that was due to shelton and gauff being non white though? The channels you refer to are exceptionally left leaning ( i think ? ) so it maybe that shelton and gauff were the big draws.
Im not talking just finals im talking about the events as a whole. Tennis is losing popularity as the young players just lack anythink to attract fans to the game alcaraz apart
 
How much of that was due to shelton and gauff being non white though? The channels you refer to are exceptionally left leaning ( i think ? ) so it maybe that shelton and gauff were the big draws.
Im not talking just finals im talking about the events as a whole. Tennis is losing popularity as the young players just lack anythink to attract fans to the game alcaraz apart
Black or white has nothing to do with it. ESPN is a sports channel anyway and people watch regardless of their political affiliation. Americans are just more interested in watching American players. Sampras, Agassi, Williamses, Roddick, etc. have all pulled great ratings in the US, especially during the USO. Tennis' US audience is not as big as the late 70s and 80s which was the golden age of viewership and interest in the sport. However, it is still quite popular in other countries. France and UK get larger audiences despite smaller population.
 
Black or white has nothing to do with it. ESPN is a sports channel anyway and people watch regardless of their political affiliation. Americans are just more interested in watching American players. Sampras, Agassi, Williamses, Roddick, etc. have all pulled great ratings in the US, especially during the USO. Tennis' US audience is not as big as the late 70s and 80s which was the golden age of viewership and interest in the sport. However, it is still quite popular in other countries. France and UK get larger audiences despite smaller population.
Uk doesnt get big audiences now. Tennis is barely covered in the uk now.
 
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