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Breaking: Djokovic on course to double Nadal's week's at world number one after Alcaraz AO quarter final loss
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NoleFam
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2023 Final peaked at over 11 million in the UK. Good luck seeing that in the US in 2023..lol
Those are some serious numbers, that's like 1/6th of the population. That would be like 55 million in USA. Outside of NFL doubt anything gets near those numbers?
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
Yea only the NFL can do that in the US. Even the NBA is not close. Just the other day, the Bills/Chiefs game peaked at 55 or 56 million, which is the highest since last year's Superbowl. Superbowls pull in over 100 million. So for UK to get 1/6th of their population to watch Wimbledon finals is massive viewership.
He is troll.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
In the us on finals day the nfl starts. Nobody really bothers about the tennis that weekend.
11 million is low for wimbledon in the uk. Back in the day it was around 15million i think. The caveat there is of course nowadays there thousands of channels. As recently as only 20 years ago there were only 5 channels unless ypunhad a satellite dish,
NoleFam
Bionic Poster
It also streamed live at over 4 million on BBC online.
GoatNo1
Legend
nole should actually have something as that if not for some establishments decision.I don't really care about this one.. But 519 weeks
22 frozen weeks = 450
W22 points cancelation, AO deportation and bans = many more Weeks = 500+
sinners suspension after positive doping test as it should be = many additional no1 weeks to nole
surely more than 520!
NachoGPT
Professional
He’s at 428. He doubled it and then some.
GoatNo1
Legend
8 vs 5 in the another one T1 GOAT criteria is huge too!
GoatNo1
Legend
unfortunately the establishment did their best to prevent it. 22 frozen weeks, W22 points cancelation, AO deportation, USO and nord americas masters ban, sinner not being suspended immediately after testing positive but a year later (even if it was just 3 months) ect... he would count closer to 550 than 500 and have more than fed and rafa together, but it is what it is (also 209+209+10)!!
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junkieballer
Hall of Fame
Without Covid and with Sinner's ban early in 2024 Novak would have been #1 for 520 weeks = 10 years
GoatNo1
Legend
yes, easily more than fed and rafa together!
junkieballer
Hall of Fame
Novak has been the player to beat for 14 years (2011-23), Federer 4 years (2004-07), Nadal 3 years (2008-10)
Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
Hitman
Bionic Poster
What doesn't count, is your subjective opinion of what should count and what shouldn't.
Djokovic has a legitimate 428 weeks at world number one. A Federer fan doesn't get to decide how many of those weeks count and how many don't for Djokovic. In fact no one does except the official governing body, of which none of us are members.
Of course it's my opinion. I'll give full credit when credit is due, not basing on feeling or emotion. The fact it's a short season, depleted field, no spectators because of Covid. From where I stand, that was a lost year.
Who cares? No one dictate you. Everyone has the right to freedom of thought belief and opinion.
We are not living in North Korea
You feel obligated to agree with other people's opinion and belief is your choice. Everyone has a mind...thinking and evaluating is essential for analyzing information objectively, enabling better decision-making, effective problem-solving, etc. Got it ?
NachoGPT
Professional
TMF seriously thinks 2020 being shortened benefited Djokovic..lol. He likely wins Wimbledon and a bunch of other masters.
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Its not people's opinion or choice that I feel obligation to, I respect the official achievements and records.
Djokovic objectively has 428 weeks at number one. Neither one of us can factually claim that not to be the case.
Your entire premise on these boards now is to tear down Djokovic's achievements, and hey if it makes you happy go for it, but understand you don't get to say what counts and what doesn't factually, and I don't either.
No one gets to say Federer doesn't have 20 slams as a factual claim, the same way no one can say Nadal doesn't have 14 RG....this isn't about Djokovic, it is about holding equal standard.
You talk about analyzing information objectively....LOL
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Djokovic was on a winning streak when the world shut down, he was by far the hottest player on the planet, and no question the undisputed favorite for Wimbledon that year....everything shutting down hurt him, not benefit him. But it is what it is, 2020 happened the way it did, however all of his weeks count, the absurdity to say they don't is reaching.
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
Didn’t he even lose 22 weeks due to rankings being frozen? If not for Covid Djoko would have even more weeks.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
There will always be an asterisk by all sports 2020-2023. Djokovic is well aware of the weak era jibes which is why he is desperately seeking a big title beating one of Sinceraz, or both along the way as he needs it for his legacy.
There were loads of anamolies in those 3 years in all sports. Nadal also benefitted to an extent a swell. Alcaraz and Sinner and their generation were definitely the ones robbed of 3 years of proper development, which is why many within the game actually think Sinceraz are greater than the big 3
NachoGPT
Professional
A particularly big one occurring at Australia in 2022.. lol
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
In what way?
GoatNo1
Legend
yes and much more
22 frozen no1 weeks!
W20 cancelation!
W22 points cancelation without protecting points from W21
USO22 and masters22/23 ban
they successfully hold nole to not reach 9 YE#1 and more weeks at no1 than fed + rafa!
but that nole despite all those obstacles menage to break all main records with some significant margin anyway do his succes much greater and sweeter!
Federer's 20 slams and Nadal's 14 RG get 100% full credit because it's the normal order. Unlike in 2020, tennis was disrupted because of COVID, resulting in widespread cancellations, postponements, top players skipped tournaments, and empty stadiums. That's the reason why I don't include 2020 when compare to any years in the open era. It's not an apple-apple comparison and if you don't think that's an objective observation, hey if it makes you happy go for it.
The 90s born players often called the "lost generation" or the "sandwich generation" for a reason....
They have technical and mental weaknesses, such as a lack of belief or an inability to consistently win crucial matches, as reasons for their underperformance.
By the time the Big 3 started to get old(especially Federer,)slow down or deal with injuries, the sandwich gen in their 20s were unable to seize opportunity for major success. The players born in the 2000s, such as Sinneraz, quickly rose to prominence, further limiting the opportunities for the sandwich generation to achieve sustained Grand Slam success.
Despite having access to advanced coaching and sports science, the sandwich generation has not produced a sustained era of dominance or many all-time great players compared to the generations immediately before and after them.
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
Right. Nadal was part of the 2020 tennis bubble so yes, he doesn't get full credit for the FO. Fair play
Hitman
Bionic Poster
If the normal order of tennis was in place as you like to put it, then Djokovic gets even MORE weeks at number one. Have you forgotten that his weeks at number one were frozen? Weeks that were garanteed to be his?
And what is wrong with all the weeks leading up to Indian Wells, everything before IW 2020 was normal order....but you decide to cut that out because it helps you chop down the weeks more?
And it is not about what makes me happy, if it was, I would be going on and on about his frozen weeks that were his, that he never got. I don't, I would say he was screwed out of W 2020 because he was without a shadow of a doubt the heavy favorite to win, especially with Federer out injured.
But, I accept official numbers and achievements. I don't need to make stuff up with some mental gymnastics to try to put my guy over the guy I am bitter about.
I know its too much for you to do when it comes to Federer v Djokovic, but hey, carry on. I've said my piece.
Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
messiahrobins
G.O.A.T.
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
TMF should actually be happy about how 2020 went out. If it was a normal year, Djoko would tie Fed's Wimbledon record, would have 25 slams and 22 more weeks at No.1. Also what is a little funny: Djokovic won his only slam in 2020 BEFORE Covid broke out, under normal circumstances. So even if you go with the already absurd take of trying to "not count" 2020 due to Covid you could only do it after mid-March in which case Djoko does not even lose much. In general, out of all the hilarious takes you read here in TTW, the idea that certain things "don't count" (almost exclusively achievements of players I don't like) and that the posters spouting this nonsense are the "authority" to decide what counts and what not
may well be the dumbest of all takes.
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
There is none of course. Asterisks you can put on the early OE Australian Opens where next to no top player competed but that's it. At the very latest after 1990 all slams count, sure there are weaker and stronger draws from time to time, but to say a slam would not count is ridiculous. Even USO 2020 counts and this is the most hilarious slam in recent times. Nadal in 2020 did not even have an easy draw, he destroyed freakin Djokovic in the final.
I don't see an asterisk...
Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
At the very least I take solace in the total futility of their efforts, since the numbers will remain in stone long after we're all gone. Being bitter about opinions is maybe alright if you can do something about it, but there's nothing you can do about facts, so there's no use staying bitter over them. In my personal nightmare scenario where Sinner dominates a useless field and surpasses all the Djokovic records, I'd still give him his dues for this exact reason. He'd never be my favourite and I'd always bring up AO26, but detracting from the things a person goes out and achieves will always be loser behaviour to me.In general, out of all the hilarious takes you read here in TTW, the idea that certain things "don't count" (almost exclusively achievements of players I don't like) and that the posters spouting this nonsense are the "authority" to decide what counts and what not
BorgTheGOAT
G.O.A.T.
To be honest living obsessively through the success of guys you never met in your life and who do not know about your existence is already loser behaviour. Sure everyone has their favourites but in the end one should be way more interested in his own achievements. And changing the opinion of fanboys of the other fanbase is anyways tilting at wind-mills, it never happened in all the years I am in this forum now.
Giocoswitch
Semi-Pro
I'd be lying if I said I'd never participated in this to any extent, but to me there's a way of doing it where it's less of an obsession and more just light fun. It's mostly just a problem when you get so emotionally involved that you attach negative emotions to those numbers being passed by someone else, and then the whole thing spirals until you're operating very irrationally (not to mention wasting a ton of time when you could be doing anything else).
Hitman
Bionic Poster
Yes, be inspired by their success but don't live through their success, make your own success.
manley0702
Semi-Pro
Things can change so quickly. When this was started, Novak was #1, held 3 of the last 4 majors and was 2 matches away (and the favorite) from another. I doubt anyone could have guessed that the previous major was his last.
RS
Bionic Poster
Welcome back
I don't know what you're talking about.
I don't see an asterisk...
No one said Nadal footprint plaque at RG has an asterisk. He deserve it.
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