I'm a baseline player, and my 2 favorite racquets are the apd and the ps85. The ps85's serve are loaded with powerful and accuracy but isnt very comfortable in basline battle. The apd is just the opposite. crazy topspin but just not ebought pop in the serve. Is there any racquet in the market that combines the best of both these racquet?
Breed the PS85 and APD...what do you get?
- Thread starter thefan
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Hey cool, I've been looking into the rds 001 for a while now. But I'm more leading towards the miplus instead of the mid cause I'm not thats confidence with small headsize.
Can you tell me the major differences between the mis and midplus of the rds 001? Also are they really that good of a serving and baseline stick?
Can you tell me the major differences between the mis and midplus of the rds 001? Also are they really that good of a serving and baseline stick?
aznspongehead
Rookie
You get the PS85, because I've heard of monkeys becoming human, not the other way around.
I disagree with Voltron. The 001 is a GREAT baseline stick, absolutely awesome. But it is not a great serving stick, it is good, but not that good. I would look more towards something like a FXP Rad Tour. It is very hard to find a very good spinfriendly stick with a great serve. Most Babolats would be good. Look at the PD w/ cortex and the Pure Storm.
federer_nadal
Professional
i would say that the k90 or k95 would be a pretty close bet. Judging from te review the K90 serves well and has a fair amount of spin. Plus im sure its a 1000 times better than APD
actually...i agree with voltron. the rds001 mid is a great all-around racket. if you can play with the 6.0 85, the rds001 mid shouldnt be too hard to play with since the sweetspot is quite larger than other 90 sq in. frames due to the headshape.
the serves are very precise and doesnt sacrifice too much pace...and because of its fairly open pattern, topspin isnt an issue.
as for the FP radical tour suggestion, i actually didnt like the frame too much. it felt quite hollow, and definitely didnt feel like the printed 59 flex rating. i'd rated it in the mid 60s...
the serves are very precise and doesnt sacrifice too much pace...and because of its fairly open pattern, topspin isnt an issue.
as for the FP radical tour suggestion, i actually didnt like the frame too much. it felt quite hollow, and definitely didnt feel like the printed 59 flex rating. i'd rated it in the mid 60s...
vkartikv
Hall of Fame
I don't know what all this talk is about the ps 85 not being good from the baseline. No other frame lets me hit out with absolute power and a full swing like the ps 85. Sure, you don't get as much topspin but that is no reason for saying it is not good from the baseline...
BTW, you can't breed a ps 85 and apd, its like mating a tiger with a tame cat. The diablo tour midplus will give you a little bit of both worlds....
BTW, you can't breed a ps 85 and apd, its like mating a tiger with a tame cat. The diablo tour midplus will give you a little bit of both worlds....
I say the ps85 isnt good from the baseline because I was comparing it to the apd and because I guess I am not experience enought to handle an 85 sq in head. I'm just looking for a racquet, that is a little bit of both the ps85 and apd.
Also, where where I lead the apd to make the serve a little better?
Also, where where I lead the apd to make the serve a little better?
Bottle Rocket
Hall of Fame
I am more interested in why you can't get pop on your serve with the APD.
Try the Pure Drive Roddick.
If you still can't get "pop"... Well.. Who knows?
And about the Yonex recommendation... If he can't get power with an APD on serve, you guys actually think the Yonex will be better? What's the basis for that statement?
Try the Pure Drive Roddick.
If you still can't get "pop"... Well.. Who knows?
And about the Yonex recommendation... If he can't get power with an APD on serve, you guys actually think the Yonex will be better? What's the basis for that statement?
Bottle Rocket
Hall of Fame
Add lead to the hoop. Hopefully one of the racket guys will come in here and give you a better answer than that!
You must be able to serve incredibly hard with the PS 85.
You must be able to serve incredibly hard with the PS 85.
Voltron
Hall of Fame
The mid is a far better choice for serving.
I am talking about the Mid, not the MP, the Mid is fantastic on serve.
He can't get enough pop off a serve from an APD and you think he will get enough from a 001 Mid? No way, as much as you like reccommending the 001 mid to everyone wether they are a 1.0 or 7.0 it is not the greatest for everybody.
Voltron
Hall of Fame
I find heavier sticks to be better on serving. He can serve with a PS 85, so what does that tell you? He said he gets more pop with the PS than the APD, and personally, I don't think the APD serves all that well.
I don't serve well with light sticks either. I'm not saying thats right or wrong, I'm just saying that I personally believe that heavy frames are better on serve. (too an extent)
Voltron
Hall of Fame
Dunno, I'd apply about 2 oz to the handle and 1 oz to the head if I were going to play with it. 2.5 to the handle now that I think about it.
Bottle Rocket
Hall of Fame
Adding 3 ounces to an 11.1 ounce racket?
WHAT!?
WHAT!?
Andres
G.O.A.T.
Voltron
Hall of Fame
If you can handle PS85, and like the APD, you should try the APC. More user-friendly than PS85. The weight is 12oz+ and I can serve some heavy flat serve with it and kick serve is impressive. Great for heavy hitting / attacking allcourt players. Some of the angle crosscourt takes me so practice to perfect, but if you do okay with APD, you should be fine.
fuzz nation
G.O.A.T.
You'd probably find some success with one of the larger frames in the Wilson family; either the 95's or maybe the 90's. You could also probably snatch up a cheap 6.1 Classic or HPS 6.1 for low dough if you look around.
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Deleted member 6835
Guest
definitely the K95
jackson vile
G.O.A.T.
I agree, for the smaller head rackets nothing is going to beat it, especially when you mod it. I would recomend you string it up like Hewitt or Roger, that makes the string bed feel simular to a Bab also.
Other wise you could look at either any of the Pure series or the RDS002Tour.
asintu
Professional
RDS 002 Tour?
i would say the k90 and k95. i'm not taht good at serve, but i've been serving bombs with the k90. the k95 reccomendation was just in case u don't like smaller heads. i'm used to smaller heads cuz the first racquet i ever used was a PK silver ace which has a 90 sq. inch head.
Achilles
New User
I am in the same boat. I have recently started using lighter sticks and am now using an APD handle leaded up to just over 12 oz. and I am not getting many aces at all but I do have a decent kick serve. The lighter sticks allows me to hit my one-handed backhand with more topspin and has seemed to help improve my hand quickness for serve and volley play.
At my level 4.5-5.0 serve and volley is very effective especially when I come in behind a slower high action kick serve. I am also not able to hit as many forehand winners but I have come to realize that I am winning more matches by merely trying to cut down on unforced errors rather than going for winners.
I would say stick with the racquet that gives you the most control during ralleys and volleying and if that turns out to have the caveat of a weaker first serve, focus more on your placement than power.
The top open player at my club hits a lighter ball both on serve and ground strokes than 90% of the other players I hit with. He is simply able to stay in the ralley longer and knows how to move his serve around the box better. I watched him take some really good players down using a junior racquet to prove a point.
Then again, another player I used to hit with has his TiRadicals leaded up to 15 oz, (no joke) and he is usually ranked in the top 5 5.5 players in Southern California yet he regularly weight trains.
I hope this helps.
At my level 4.5-5.0 serve and volley is very effective especially when I come in behind a slower high action kick serve. I am also not able to hit as many forehand winners but I have come to realize that I am winning more matches by merely trying to cut down on unforced errors rather than going for winners.
I would say stick with the racquet that gives you the most control during ralleys and volleying and if that turns out to have the caveat of a weaker first serve, focus more on your placement than power.
The top open player at my club hits a lighter ball both on serve and ground strokes than 90% of the other players I hit with. He is simply able to stay in the ralley longer and knows how to move his serve around the box better. I watched him take some really good players down using a junior racquet to prove a point.
Then again, another player I used to hit with has his TiRadicals leaded up to 15 oz, (no joke) and he is usually ranked in the top 5 5.5 players in Southern California yet he regularly weight trains.
I hope this helps.
harryz
Professional
PS 85 offers plenty of spin potential
Just make sure you get below the ball if you use eastern grips and want to hit with good topspin. The PS 85 will allow you to really knife a slice BH also, as well or better than any frame I know.
As I recall, Jim Courier was able to generate pretty good topspin with his western grip and even Pistol Pete could loop some balls off of both sides with his extreme eastern FH.... Anyway, just for grins I held up one of my PS 85s next to an LMP mid the other night. Head size of the two is virtually identical, if not for the PWS on the PS85. All this talk about 85 being too small and most pros using 95" and bigger racquets is meaningless as far as I'm concerned. Wilson doesn't make the 85 any more (and pros need to endorse current frames even if they use PJs). Moreover, if those of us on this board could play like Sampras, Courier, Edberg or any of the many guys who used PC 600s in their primes we'd be on the tour or playing qualies, even though the game has changed. Good, smart, tactical tennis will always be effective, and racquets simply haven't changed or improved that much in the last 20-25 years-- at least not the best ones. I give you the POG, Head Prestige line, PS 85 etc.... I'm just not convinced that the benefits of larger heads outweigh the feel and control of classic sticks .. at least for me.
So why not stick with a classic and get used to it? The RDS 001 and RDX 500 are supposed to be nice, and I'd give them a shot if you want something a bit more forgiving than a PS 85. Then again, why not a PS 95?
Just make sure you get below the ball if you use eastern grips and want to hit with good topspin. The PS 85 will allow you to really knife a slice BH also, as well or better than any frame I know.
As I recall, Jim Courier was able to generate pretty good topspin with his western grip and even Pistol Pete could loop some balls off of both sides with his extreme eastern FH.... Anyway, just for grins I held up one of my PS 85s next to an LMP mid the other night. Head size of the two is virtually identical, if not for the PWS on the PS85. All this talk about 85 being too small and most pros using 95" and bigger racquets is meaningless as far as I'm concerned. Wilson doesn't make the 85 any more (and pros need to endorse current frames even if they use PJs). Moreover, if those of us on this board could play like Sampras, Courier, Edberg or any of the many guys who used PC 600s in their primes we'd be on the tour or playing qualies, even though the game has changed. Good, smart, tactical tennis will always be effective, and racquets simply haven't changed or improved that much in the last 20-25 years-- at least not the best ones. I give you the POG, Head Prestige line, PS 85 etc.... I'm just not convinced that the benefits of larger heads outweigh the feel and control of classic sticks .. at least for me.
So why not stick with a classic and get used to it? The RDS 001 and RDX 500 are supposed to be nice, and I'd give them a shot if you want something a bit more forgiving than a PS 85. Then again, why not a PS 95?
