Bringing down the Overheads in A1 Alta

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  1. chatt_town

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    So the wife and I played in Atlanta this weekend and basically had to put away I don't know how many overheads. The problem was in the first I'd say 3 games of the match...We put away about 6 overheads(non missed) at least 4 of them hit the guy at the net....the last being the one I hit which really rocked him in his thigh. He was already ticked about the wife hitting him. Here is my thing. First of all it's A-1. I mean once you see a woman put away one or two overheads, you need to be cautious about putting them in the air(as we say it). We crash the net so a lot of people put up lobs...hell...we put them up when needed. We also understand that when one is putting up the other falls back automatically. I can count on my hand how many times in the last 3 to 5 years I've had overheads drilled at me at the net. When I did I didn't p*ss and moan about it especially playing A-1.

    Ironically the same girl was playing with a different guy last season and she put one up...the guy got down right in the middle of the court and I didn't look to see where he was...and I hit him in the forehead with an overhead. He went off...I went back off on him for standing there when he had all day to roll his butt back. He said "you had the whole f'n court" which I did..but my response is one I didn't see him and two if I was that good at aiming I'd be getting paid to play and not paying to play. Two weeks before this match this past Saturday we got beat by a team that threw up a 1000 lobs and we hit them in the net and off the fence. So my thing is if you don't put them away people will keep lobbing you....I know because we do it to people....the way to make people stop is put them away. So we agreed that before we played this match we weren't going to be concerned about where people were on the court but concentrate on putting them away. I'd never go out and try to hurt anyone but they have levels for a reason and we are playing one of the highest levels they have. I don't understand why people get so upset at being hit when it was either your parnter's or yours or both of your fault that you got hit...not the person that hit the overhead. What do you all think?

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  2. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    Getting hit's part of the game. As long as you're not targeting someone [and your opponent understands this], it's all good. Then again, the rules of physics in the MXD universe vary.
     
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    A1 MXD is at least USTA 9.0 MXD or higher. Chattown has the right idea, you don't miss an OH because the smuck is too stupid to duck, backtrack or get off the court. There were players that use to challenge me or my partners by staying at the net for a short OH. Why would anyone be that stupid and dumb? Hit them or scare them a few times until they back off. If they have no instincts for self preservation, that's their problem not mine. Social MXD has different rules.
     
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  4. chatt_town

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    vary how?
     
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    O yea, we turned right around on Monday and played a different league. The competition is not nearly as stiff as alta. I had balls where the guy or woman came in shoveling balls out of the ground and popped it up and I could almost shake their hand while hitting the ball and could have clearly hit them and hurt them. I simply pushed another lob over the person's head to no man's land for a winner....as I could clearly win the point in other ways. I do that when it's an option. :) Again, I don't get off on hitting people, but lets face it....like that team that beat us...we will see them again and man the overheads will be raining. lol I can hear that son that says...."mooooove ***** get out the wayyyyyyyyy".....lol
     
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    For competitive higher level mixed (USTA 9.0, ALTA A1, etc), there's no excuse for that. If you don't want to get hit, get out of the way. But for something like social afternoon mixed doubles at the club, then yeah, you've got to just hit away from them and if you miss then you miss, eat the point, laugh about it, and move on.

    Look, everyone know how this goes. If you are playing mixed, both male players can drill the net person almost anytime they want to, and the result will be winning points. But we all know that few do this, and there is a reason.
     
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    You are right...there were serveral times he had short balls to drive at my wife and there were balls I had that I could have drilled at either of them. It depends one where we are though in the court. If she is on the baseline and I'm in the service box...it's going to her more than likely as it's rare that I'm going to choose to hit a ball to a 4.5 or even 4.0 man when the woman is more likely the weaker of the two, but the woman in most cases isn't terrible so I'm going to put some mustard on the shot....again...it's a1. not like I'm playing c level tennis here. They signed up for the league knowing what it is...don't p*ss and moan about a ball being hit to you.
     
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  8. S&V-not_dead_yet

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    See all of the threads about "Mixed Troubles": hitting at the woman makes the other team mad, not hitting at the woman makes your partner mad, etc.
     
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  9. LeeD

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    If they're trying to tip the point in their favor by distracting you by standing in a free fire zone, you are free to smack him/her as often as you want.
     
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    ALL players in higer level mixed (9.0 equivalent and about) darn sure ought to know the risks of standing your ground when the opponent gets an overhead. If its the man, I'd drill the overhead with no regard to where he's standing. But if its the woman, i wouldn't drill it... and thats one of the reasons I personally dont play mixed.
     
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    Aim overheads at short NML, and you're pretty safe without endangering anyone on the opponent's court.
     
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    I would if the idiot wasn't standing at the net in the way. :rolleyes:
     
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    Yea, you are right...ironically if I'm not playing with my wife...it's almost a waste a time to be honest.lol There are too many variables to it.
    Whats up Leed? You got that one hander still going brother? Yea, the problem with that is two things...I am not that good at aiming.lol This particular match we both look like 5.5 players...two weeks before that we looked like 3.5's. So my thing is you better get the hell out of the way or don't put them in the air at all...and if you do, don't blame me, blame each other
     
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    I don't hit at anyone with intent to harm but I don't think it is my job to make sure you don't get hit. If you see me about to smash a short overhead, run back or at least turn around so it can only hit you in the back. Brad Gilbert says to look away, turn your side to the net and move to the alley.

    My aim isn't that great either. I will target hitting through the net player. My intent is to not hit them but if their partner is back, hitting through the net player is my high percentage shot. I expect the opposing net player to get out of the way.

    I've had a few get mad too but my target is generally a 6 foot or so area. I am not trying to hit you. Instead, I am trying for clean contact, decent pace and a pretty good direction.
     
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    I get hit relatively often when I play doubles. Doesn't bother unless I'm a total sitting duck and the player has easy options to put it away without drilling me. If I'm playing a team that isn't strong or confident with their overheads, I don't often retreat. If I get hit, that's my problem! Quite often, they'll make an error because they're trying to hit away from me. Now, if I'm playing a team with consistent overheads or one or both hit missiles, I'm retreating or turning away for sure. My overhead isn't real precise, so I'm going to aim for a big safe area or just hit it through the middle of the court. I'm not a weak player but I'm also not good enough for a last second court survey followed by a put away that paints a line or threads through a small window. This, of course, applies to a competitive situation. In social match I'll do what I can to limit the risk of hitting someone.
     
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    we nailed another guy yesterday....smh....I mean he didn't get hit as often...but not even two games in...the wife puts one away right at his knees...then I miss the next one...but the third one nails the guy......this is all in the first 3 games...He didn't get pissed though....I had played him before and he knew I wasn't trying to hit him. I just wished that the guy last week had the same attitude.
     
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    When I was a kid everybody signed up for little league baseball. Watch baseball, guys get hit all the time. Not just hitters, but infielders when the ball takes a bad bounce, pitchers on a line drive up the middle, baserunners on double plays. Once I even saw Jose Conseco have a ball bounce off his head for a home run! No one makes an issue of it, even though a baseball is as hard as a rock.


    Years later I took up tennis. Tennis has a much better ball than baseball, a hollow rubber ball covered with felt. The technology for it didn't exist when baseball started, but I digress. The lightweight tennis ball is much less dangerous and cannot do much damage. So how do people react in tennis? When people get hit with the ball in tennis, they carry on, they act like they're wounded and blame the opponent. I don't get it.

    In baseball; I was the only one who thought it was a big deal to get hit by the ball.
    In tennis; I'm the only one who does not think it a big deal to get hit by the ball.
     
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    I salute you and your wife for having taken the time to learn to hit overheads.

    I'm of the opinion that it really isn't this super difficult shot people think it is. I just think it doesn't get practiced. You have to ask for balls 'in the air' to practice it, (and they usually make a face when you do that). It's like a serve, but you've got the whole court to hit into!

    But you have to keep your eye on the ball. You can't look for where your opponent is loitering so you can hit around his lazy azz.
     
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    thats right about the overhead...I hit the overhead a lot harder than the serve.lol Probably because I do have the whole court.
     
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    I played a doubles match this weekend where my opponent nailed me with an overhead in my hip. I wasn't standing in the center of the court but just behind the deuce court service line (and was retreating due to a poor lob from my partner). Due to my court positioning it was unfortunate that I got hit but I was aware that my opponent was hitting in my general direction because I would have the most trouble getting the ball back. He wasn't trying to hit me and I understood that.

    So..where I generally have an issue with being hit by an overhead is if someone is using me willfully as their target no matter where I'm standing in the court as a means to win the point outright. That's never cool. Obviously, this isn't the case in these instances but it does happen.
     
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    If someone gets nailed by my overhead its bad fortune. I'm looking at the ball and just trying to get it to land hard in court. I am not paying attention at all to my opponents location. If I do, I miss the OH.

    Volleys on the other hand are much different and I've certainly volleyed firmly at a net opponent to end a point. But that's never a full swing and its a soft fuzzy ball. If you get upset about that, in the words of Lendl, "I never invited you to the net."
     
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