British No 1 Cameron Norrie bemoans 'strange' rule that sees Novak Djokovic benefit from Wimbledon title

weakera

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Cam Norrie has suggested that Novak Djokovic is getting favourable treatment as the fallout from Wimbledon's loss of ranking points drags into winter.

Djokovic has been assured of qualifying for this month's eight-man ATP Finals in Turin, on the basis of his one Grand Slam title this year, gleaned at SW19 in July.

The existing rule granting that privilege has remained in place, but for every other player who did well at Wimbledon there was no benefit to their status. Points were stripped due to the ban on Russian players.

Norrie would have gained 720 points for making the semi-finals, and the lack of ranking recognition has helped scupper his chances of making the field in Turin.

Not only that, but the absence of points could also sink Great Britain's hopes of making the 18-nation United Cup, the £13million mixed team event planned for Australia in January.

Djokovic could qualify for the ATP Finals anyway if he won this week's Paris Masters, but otherwise he is relying on a regulation which - with an apparent inconsistency - is still recognising what he did at The Championships.

'Novak obviously qualified from Wimbledon so that seems a bit strange,' said Norrie, who made the second round in Paris on Monday with a 6-2, 6-4 win over Serbia's Miomir Kecmanovic.

'I don't know if that was the rule before or not, but its seems unfair, I guess for Nick Kyrgios as well.

'He lost in the final and he gets nothing. I knew that I hadn't had the points all along, but I was still in with pretty decent chance I thought.'

The Australian would also have been in contention for Turin, but had to forfeit the bumper 1,200 points he made at SW19.

Stuart Duguid, Kyrgios's agent, observed: 'First and foremost, Novak deserves to be in Turin. But it feels arbitrary that he is the only player to benefit from his performances at Wimbledon.

'Players' endorsement contracts are affected by their year-end ranking and whether or not they qualify for the Finals. Many, such as Nick, will be out of pocket, whereas Novak has been made whole.'

An ATP spokesman said: 'The removal of ranking points at this year's Wimbledon was done on the basis of fairness to all players, and no further rule changes linked to the competition's status were deemed necessary.

'As such, any player competing at Wimbledon or the other Grand Slams this year had the opportunity to qualify for Turin via the Grand Slam qualification rule.'

The lack of points at Wimbledon has had a widespread distorting effect on the men's and women's listings. That is now extending to qualification for the new mixed event taking place ahead of the Australian Open.

The complex entry system is largely determined by the year-end ranking of a nation's top player of either sex. With Norrie now down at 14, Britain are just outside the cut-off at present, although that could yet change.

'I'd love to play, I think it's a pretty cool event. I'm going to push as much as I can and hopefully try to help the team out to try to get in,' said Norrie. 'It will be interesting to see how they do the list.'

Britain's four top men are looking to end their seasons strongly in Paris and on Monday night Andy Murray was facing Frenchman Gilles Simon.

 

Cashman

Hall of Fame
Every wimbledon rule was in place for more than 20 years, the point he is making is that all wimbledon benefits were suposed to be stripped
ATP points were stripped from Wimbledon, not Grand Slam status (which is an ITF thing)

Despite its name the ATP finals isn’t an ATP-controlled event - it’s an equal partnership between ATP and ITF (the result of merging the ATP’s old year-end Masters and the ITF’s Grand Slam Cup)

the Grand Slam champion pass was a concession ATP made to ITF when the events merged, the ATP doesn’t have the right to unilaterally ditch it
 
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Aussie Darcy

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Does this apply to doubles because Aussies Purcell/Ebden won Wimbledon but I don’t see anything saying they’ve automatically qualified. They didn’t get their 2,000 points and are down to 13th on the qualifying list but would well be qualified had they gotten it.
 
Every wimbledon rule was in place for more than 20 years, the point he is making is that all wimbledon benefits were suposed to be stripped
Is Wimbledon still a Slam tournament. Did ATP announced back in May that along with the ranking points they will strip Wimbledon of his Slam status as well!? :unsure:
 
Anyway Norrie should just shut up here. The guy had 2 Slams, 4 Masters and countless other smaller tournaments advantage over Djokovic and he is still few places behind Djokovic in the ATP Rankings. Instead of being awfully quiet about this, he is shamelessly talking nonsense behind Djokovic's back... But my 700 points, but my 700 points... Well Novak was already punished with 2000 points, you muppet, think about it before you open your mouth again. :sick:
 

Aussie Darcy

Bionic Poster
Anyway Norrie should just shut up here. The guy had 2 Slams, 4 Masters and countless other smaller tournaments advantage over Djokovic and he is still few places behind Djokovic in the ATP Rankings. Instead of being awfully quiet about this, he is shamelessly talking nonsense behind Djokovic's back... But my 700 points, but my 700 points... Well Novak was already punished with 2000 points, you muppet, think about it before you open your mouth again. :sick:
Wait? Why is it nonsense that Norrie is annoyed he got punished out of 720 points but for Djokovic being punished out of the 2000 you say it’s ok? That doesn’t add up?
 

Terenigma

G.O.A.T.
Yeah let's just gloss over the fact that Djokovic would still be world number 1 if not for his ridiculous stance and the lack of points from Wimbledon. The fact Norrie was even in contention for the ATP finals is because of this and he is complaining about it? How about if you want to get direct entry into the tour finals, you perform better during the year and stop relying on a lucky set of circumstances.
 
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mahatma

Hall of Fame
And Novak qualifies with Wimbledon points as well. Playing less than avg schedule and might as well qualify on points basis too by winning Paris Masters.

These players want endorsements and they can't qualify on their own by playing the entire schedule. Sad.
 

jl809

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Should have beaten him when you had the chance then ya muppet. Never sat through a worse match in my life
 
Djokovic should not have even been allowed to play Wimbledon. He has never once condemned Russia.
Wrong.
“I will always condemn war, I will never support war being myself a child of war,” Djokovic told reporters at the Serbia Open, an ATP 250 event in Belgrade.

“I know how much emotional trauma it leaves. In Serbia we all know what happened in 1999. In the Balkans we have had many wars in recent history.

“However, I cannot support the decision of Wimbledon, I think it is crazy.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
Wrong.
“I will always condemn war, I will never support war being myself a child of war,” Djokovic told reporters at the Serbia Open, an ATP 250 event in Belgrade.

“I know how much emotional trauma it leaves. In Serbia we all know what happened in 1999. In the Balkans we have had many wars in recent history.

“However, I cannot support the decision of Wimbledon, I think it is crazy.

No, that's exactly my point. It's a completely non-partisan, empty and meaningless condemnation.
 

Kralingen

Bionic Poster
Who knew that when you do these farcical half-measures, the resulting consequences are complex and in fact harm more people than originally thought…
 

Djokodalerer31

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Djokovic should not have even been allowed to play Wimbledon. He has never once condemned Russia.

He is not a part of the country, that takes primary or secondary role in Ukraine;s invasion and that was the whole point of russians and belurussians ban! One country invades, another helps it...Serbia is not involved so...
 

Lauren_Girl'

Hall of Fame
I can see why Kyrgios or Rybakina would be pissed. But Norrie? Please.

Ironically, there is a significant chance Djokovic winds up #8 anyway. He needs a final in Bercy and he will be ahead of Hurkacz and Fritz for sure. In this case he won't even need the special rule.
 

weakera

Talk Tennis Guru
He is not a part of the country, that takes primary or secondary role in Ukraine;s invasion and that was the whole point of russians and belurussians ban! One country invades, another helps it...Serbia is not involved so...

It's sad that he can't unequivocally in no uncertain terms condemn an invading country...
 
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Deleted member 791948

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Wimbledon shouldn't have slam status this year, since it has no ranking points.
Also, its not Open to all nationalities, which further devalues it.
 

accidental

Hall of Fame
If Wimby points were awarded Norrie and Kyrgios probably would not qualify anyway, they would still be behind Djokovic and then Fritz

And Kyrgios would be nowhere near the final of Wimbledon in the first place if it were a ‘normal’ year
 

Federev

G.O.A.T.
Norrie Goat.

Novak has robbed Norrie of his lock on WTF title.

Shame on Novak.

NorrieGOAT and also

Norrie is beautiful forehand GOAT.
 
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Slicehand

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Is Wimbledon still a Slam tournament. Did ATP announced back in May that along with the ranking points they will strip Wimbledon of his Slam status as well!? :unsure:
Yeah i guess they didnt, or couldnt, but in essence its still unfair as its a grand slam won without the russian players, which is why they stripped it out of points in the first place, its an extrange situation because a grand slam cant have 0 points either, so i guess its down to the autonomies that control each of the benefits a grand slam gives (points, money)
 

D.Nalby12

G.O.A.T.
He is not first British #1 who loves whining and complaining. They better improve their games than blaming system.
 

NAS

Hall of Fame
Every wimbledon rule was in place for more than 20 years, the point he is making is that all wimbledon benefits were suposed to be stripped
Really did they take away Wimbledon slam status or gave only Novak Point? Can you please more Elobrate
 
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NAS

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ATP points were stripped from Wimbledon, not Grand Slam status (which is an ITF thing)

Despite its name the ATP finals isn’t an ATP-controlled event - it’s an equal partnership between ATP and ITF (the result of merging the ATP’s old year-end Masters and the ITF’s Grand Slam Cup)

the Grand Slam champion pass was a concession ATP made to ITF when the events merged, the ATP doesn’t have the right to unilaterally ditch it
Many so called Great Tennis followers don't know this rule and then call others kids, I already tried to explain to MTF user this rule, that why slam winner was allowed in first place.
They think ATP finals has no connection to itf
 
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Fabresque

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Everybody on tour knows that he’s the real number 1. At worst, very very worst, he’s top 3. Norrie talking out his behind.
 

Mainad

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As I said in another post, this isn't Djokovic's fault. It's the ATP wanting to have its cake and eat it ie. no ranking points for naughty Wimbledon but its champion can still benefit from winning it all the same. Makes an absolute farce for its whole position on this issue!! :rolleyes:

But, as I said, none of this is Djokovic's fault. If the ATP says he can play the WTF then why shouldn't he play it?
 
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DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
Regardless of politics, every Major tournament winner deserves to qualify for the ATP Finals.
Although nonsense prevailed over reason and that is what is really serious.
:censored:
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Djokovic is still one of the top 5 players of the tour. If not for his idiotic choices, he'd be ranked #3 right now. Norrie isn't even a proper top 10 player.
 
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