Broke gut again, a suggstion for good alternative please

Hey, honorables! How are you doing?

The issue is that I am getting in a tournament next weak, but I ve broken a gut string of one of my rackets:cry:. I like my hybrid setup (vs touch mains at 50 lb/ yonex poly tour fire crosses at 47 lb), but right now i am looking for a more economic and spin friendly setup, but without compromising power and comfort so much. I was doing my researches and found the "weisscanon fire stroke". Is this string a good idea? Powerful and comfortable enogh to substitute the babolat versus touch at mains? What are your opinions, ideas and other suggestions?

Notes: semi-western forehand, semi-western one handed backhand, RF97 Autograph stock form.

Best regards to you all!

 

Happi

Professional
try VCT 16g / PTF 17g @44/42

VCT is a soft poly that feels softer than gut if strung appropriately low
I play both VCT and gut - and I don't think that VCT plays anything like gut, and is defiantly not softer.

Hey, honorables! How are you doing?

The issue is that I am getting in a tournament next weak, but I ve broken a gut string of one of my rackets:cry:. I like my hybrid setup (vs touch mains at 50 lb/ yonex poly tour fire crosses at 47 lb), but right now i am looking for a more economic and spin friendly setup, but without compromising power and comfort so much. I was doing my researches and found the "weisscanon fire stroke". Is this string a good idea? Powerful and comfortable enogh to substitute the babolat versus touch at mains? What are your opinions, ideas and other suggestions?

Notes: semi-western forehand, semi-western one handed backhand, RF97 Autograph stock form.

Best regards to you all!

If you are looking for at really soft setup where the crosses don't cut into your gut, the I would suggest Gut mains / Isospeed Professional Classic 17 crosses, this setup is also durable. The crosses will wear down before the gut breaks, and you can restring the crosses again.

Cheers, H
 

Sardines

Professional
Well unfortunately, gut has no equal in performance for power, comfort and feel. Even in gut, there are choices with different performance characteristics. As a cheaper alternative, the natural gut from India, which can be bought directly from the manufacturer, are significantly cheaper. With $33, that sounds like you're in the EU, so that seems to be the best alternative price wise.
From known brands, I tend to use VS Tonic Feel, which are cheaper, for regular sessions then Luxilon or Touch gut for the more "important" matches.
When I want poly action, I use Volkl Cyclone with Pro Red Code Wax cross, which is a stiffer version of PTF you use. It plays nothing like gut, but gives me bite and control to swing out 100% if I want.

Where I buy my VS it is like 33 USD, and I also like VS better than Klip.

Klip is like 52 USD and Luxilon 45 USD
 
How about just buying a cheaper gut like Klip? In the US, the price is $28 for Klip vs $43 for VS.
Unfortunately, in Brazil they sell only expensive gut like Babolat, Wilson or Luxilon's ;/
try VCT 16g / PTF 17g @44/42

VCT is a soft poly that feels softer than gut if strung appropriately low
hey bro, how about power and tension maintenance? I ve read, I think here and in stringforum that, although this string have comfort and spin, it lacks power and tension maintenance. How volkl compare to weisscannon strings?
I play both VCT and gut - and I don't think that VCT plays anything like gut, and is defiantly not softer.



If you are looking for at really soft setup where the crosses don't cut into your gut, the I would suggest Gut mains / Isospeed Professional Classic 17 crosses, this setup is also durable. The crosses will wear down before the gut breaks, and you can restring the crosses again.

Cheers, H
If Isospeed classic 17 has slick coating like poly tour fire, I might try in the future bro! But, for now, just wanting a economic alternative but with enough power and comfort (and a little more bite/spin if possible) ;)
 

McLovin

Legend
If you are in Europe VS is cheaper than Klip.....
Wow…that’s cool. I like VS a lot better than Klip.
Unfortunately, in Brazil they sell only expensive gut like Babolat, Wilson or Luxilon's ;/
This has been discussed before, but if you buy gut from the UK and have it shipped overseas, it turns out to be cheaper because:
  • You don't have to pay VAT (Value Added Tax)
  • MAP (Minimum Advertised Pricing) is illegal in the UK
In the US, Babolat VS is the same price no matter which retailer you go to. That is because Babolat (not the market) is determining what an authorized retailer may sell it at. The catch is, you have to order multiple packs to offset the shipping costs. For example, it may cost $20 to ship 1 pack of gut, but $25 to ship 5 packs. If the UK retailer lists it as $28, then:
  • Buying 1 pack costs $48 ($20 for shipping, $28 for the gut)
  • Buying 5 packs costs $165 total, but averages out to $33 per pack
 

Happi

Professional
If Isospeed classic 17 has slick coating like poly tour fire, I might try in the future bro! But, for now, just wanting a economic alternative but with enough power and comfort (and a little more bite/spin if possible) ;)
Isospeed is a special low powered multi and works great as a cross for gut - actually the only multi I like for cross with gut main. You can do a search for "mojo" under strings, this was how I found the string. It is one of the few strings (beside gut) that does not increase in stiffness as you bump up tension, so you can string the combo at higher tension than gut/poly.
 

Happi

Professional
Well unfortunately, gut has no equal in performance for power, comfort and feel. Even in gut, there are choices with different performance characteristics. As a cheaper alternative, the natural gut from India, which can be bought directly from the manufacturer, are significantly cheaper. With $33, that sounds like you're in the EU, so that seems to be the best alternative price wise.
From known brands, I tend to use VS Tonic Feel, which are cheaper, for regular sessions then Luxilon or Touch gut for the more "important" matches.
When I want poly action, I use Volkl Cyclone with Pro Red Code Wax cross, which is a stiffer version of PTF you use. It plays nothing like gut, but gives me bite and control to swing out 100% if I want.
I tried the Indian gut, and it was not worth the money IMO. Actually the only gut string brand I did not like.
 

gvsbdisco

Semi-Pro
I would recommend going with thicker gut (15L plays very nice IMO) and get a cheaper cross (Max Power for example). That will save you money but won't give you more spin.

Hey, honorables! How are you doing?

The issue is that I am getting in a tournament next weak, but I ve broken a gut string of one of my rackets:cry:. I like my hybrid setup (vs touch mains at 50 lb/ yonex poly tour fire crosses at 47 lb), but right now i am looking for a more economic and spin friendly setup, but without compromising power and comfort so much. I was doing my researches and found the "weisscanon fire stroke". Is this string a good idea? Powerful and comfortable enogh to substitute the babolat versus touch at mains? What are your opinions, ideas and other suggestions?

Notes: semi-western forehand, semi-western one handed backhand, RF97 Autograph stock form.

Best regards to you all!

 

ron schaap

Hall of Fame
Isospeed is a special low powered multi and works great as a cross for gut - actually the only multi I like for cross with gut main. You can do a search for "mojo" under strings, this was how I found the string. It is one of the few strings (beside gut) that does not increase in stiffness as you bump up tension, so you can string the combo at higher tension than gut/poly.
If you have Isospeed classic multi you dont need an expensive non durable gut too. Just use this 1.20 thin multi in the mains and use an even thinner smooth poly at a much lower tension in crosses. This way you dont have to be afraid of humid conditions unless you play indoors.
 

Happi

Professional
If you have Isospeed classic multi you dont need an expensive non durable gut too. Just use this 1.20 thin multi in the mains and use an even thinner smooth poly at a much lower tension in crosses. This way you dont have to be afraid of humid conditions unless you play indoors.
Ron (y) I have actually never tried Iso in the mains, think I will try it out with Ghost Wire cross.
 
Thank very much for your responses, pals! I love nat.gut, but it is the first type of string that I ve broken. Never broke a poly nor multi like wilson nxt power, my second favorite string that i put as mains. My broken vs touch is 15L black version :laughing: . I think for now I will look for a more or less comfortable shaped string.
If I make a hybrid setup with a shaped poly string like cyclone tour or weisscanon fire shot or rpm team as the mains and poly tour fire as crosses, what tension would you suggest to save my arm? My current set tension is 50 lb for nat gut and 47lb for poly tour fire, difference of 3lb between mains and crosses, similar to the difference in Fed's setup (although he uses higher tensions, 59lbs for gut and 56lb for Alu Power).
 

blai212

Professional
@Happi have u tried VCT 16g mains with thin copoly cross similar to gut/poly combination? Also, what tension do u string VCT compared to the gut? When I strung VCT 16g/SPPP at 40/38 compared to gut/poly hybrid at 50/47, it definitely does feel softer...the key is to string VCT 16g at appropriately low tension in mains with a thin copoly cross
 

Sardines

Professional
Well, the beauty of the modern world is CO2 driven worldwide delivery, albeit with Brazil import duty, it may not be that much cheaper.
Since you are a Brasiliero, I assume you play on clay quite a bit? If so, I think staying with polys will giving you the best durability, but not the power. When I was playing with the RF97 in EU on clay a few years back, I did experiment with Polytour Spin G with Polytour Fire during practice time. Both have the silicone infusion, and that kept the clay off the strings a little better, not to mention very low string to string friction. It has surprising good feel and pocketing, a lot of string movement when I hit heavy spin and the tension maintenance was very good, lasting a good 20% longer before feeling like I wanted to cut it. It's very much a control setup though, with low power, even at 44/43 lbs tension. The only thing was it was 1.25mm and messed with my swing weight slightly so my timing was off a bit. I liked the Volkl Cyclone 18L more with the silicone cross like PTF or PRCW.

Unfortunately, in Brazil they sell only expensive gut like Babolat, Wilson or Luxilon's ;/
You will find that power from copolys will be noticeably less. Comfort will definitely be noticeably less, due to the stiffness. RPM Team is stiff, and you will have to drop tension significantly for comfort. Volkl Cyclone Tour is significantly softer, but loses tension quite quickly beyond playability. You will notice it coming from gut/poly like VS/PTF. You may want to add some weight to bolster the loss in weight of the strings, which could affect swingweight and balance. I have 2 racquets set up, one for gut/poly, and another for poly/poly, swing/twist weight and balance matched. The copoly sticks have approx. 5 kg/m2 higher swing weight, and 1/2pt head lighter to compensate for the lower power, and I string them about 46-48lbs vs 57-59lbs for gut mains.
I would suggest you try the cheaper Indian gut if price is a real issue. It's similarly priced to a name brand copoly, and should be nearer the comfort and power levels than any copoly. Boa sorte!
Thank very much for your responses, pals! I love nat.gut, but it is the first type of string that I ve broken. Never broke a poly nor multi like wilson nxt power, my second favorite string that i put as mains. My broken vs touch is 15L black version :laughing: . I think for now I will look for a more or less comfortable shaped string.
If I make a hybrid setup with a shaped poly string like cyclone tour or weisscanon fire shot or rpm team as the mains and poly tour fire as crosses, what tension would you suggest to save my arm? My current set tension is 50 lb for nat gut and 47lb for poly tour fire, difference of 3lb between mains and crosses, similar to the difference in Fed's setup (although he uses higher tensions, 59lbs for gut and 56lb for Alu Power).
 

jered

Rookie
How long did the strings last until you broke them? Have you tried using string savers? I break everything within about 12 hours except poly (it usually goes dead before I could snap it) and with string savers I got over 16 hours out of gut/poly hybrid in the RF.
 

Happi

Professional
@Happi have u tried VCT 16g mains with thin copoly cross similar to gut/poly combination? Also, what tension do u string VCT compared to the gut? When I strung VCT 16g/SPPP at 40/38 compared to gut/poly hybrid at 50/47, it definitely does feel softer...the key is to string VCT 16g at appropriately low tension in mains with a thin copoly cross
I only plat VCT in full bed, 18g / 1.15 and I string low like 17kg (38 pounds) - but I will try VCT 18 / GW 19 in my next setup. GW 19 is the softest poly I played so far.

I did try out VCT 16 (black) a while back, after it got some very good reviews by players here but did not like it as much as its thinner brother in red.

I string Gut / Iso in the same frame at about 25kg (55 pounds) and it is defiantly softer that VCT @ 17kg

Gut is very special as it does not increase stiffness (see TWU string database) as you increase tension, Isospeed Professional Classic is the only other string I know who has the same properties, this is why I think it makes such a good cross string for gut. You can string gut / iso at high tension and it will still play soft, I have strung as high as 32kg (70 pounds) with no problem.

You should really try this combo out.
 
How long did the strings last until you broke them? Have you tried using string savers? I break everything within about 12 hours except poly (it usually goes dead before I could snap it) and with string savers I got over 16 hours out of gut/poly hybrid in the RF.
I think 3 months playing 4 hours per week bro. I ve not tried string savers cause I m used to not use them as I ve heard/read those increase the tension at 1 or 2lb. And i think they reduce the sliding and snapback of main strings, but I can be mistaken, I will be glad if you elucidate me:cool:
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All right, guys, time to field report! I've tried babolat rpm team 1.25mm on the mains and the first hour was incredible with pocketing and spin. Tension was 43lb rpm team on the mains and 40lb yonex ptf on crosses.
But after first hour, the string bed "settle" and got agonizing "dead".
As 99% of talk tennis say and I confirm this, there is no string good like nat gut. So I m going back to that even though is more pricey. But my joints are more expensive than any strings so I will spare them :-D
 
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jered

Rookie
I think 3 months playing 4 hours per week bro. I ve not tried string savers cause I m used to not use them as I ve heard/read those increase the tension at 1 or 2lb. And i think they reduce the sliding and snapback of main strings, but I can be mistaken, I will be glad if you elucidate me:cool:
Wow, that's some longevity! I wish I could get strings to last me that long but I confess I love that fresh strung feel.

String savers may increase tension if you go crazy with them. I use the Federer pattern and I really don't notice much tension increase. Spin is totally fine, if anything it feels to me there is slightly easier spin with string savers.
 

Sardines

Professional
I think 3 months playing 4 hours per week bro. I ve not tried string savers cause I m used to not use them as I ve heard/read those increase the tension at 1 or 2lb. And i think they reduce the sliding and snapback of main strings, but I can be mistaken, I will be glad if you elucidate me:cool:
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All right, guys, time to field report! I've tried babolat rpm team 1.25mm on the mains and the first hour was incredible with pocketing and spin. Tension was 43lb rpm team on the mains and 40lb yonex ptf on crosses.
But after first hour, the string bed "settle" and got agonizing "dead".
As 99% of talk tennis say and I confirm this, there is no string good like nat gut. So I m going back to that even though is more pricey. But my joints are more expensive than any strings so I will spare them :-D
That's actually excellent durability! My gut/poly hybrids don't survive the 15hrs mark, even 15L! As suggested before, try the Tonic+ Feel >1.35/15L, which is a little thicker, which adds about 10% or so of durability. Pricewise, those cheap Indian guts, which don't have the same performance but have the softness that you need, could be a regular alternative, then switch to the better gut during tournaments? Personally, I use gut for the performance and not the comfort, but if comfort is your main requirement, along with cost, those may be what you need in the long run.
 

Happi

Professional
That's actually excellent durability! My gut/poly hybrids don't survive the 15hrs mark, even 15L! As suggested before, try the Tonic+ Feel >1.35/15L, which is a little thicker, which adds about 10% or so of durability. Pricewise, those cheap Indian guts, which don't have the same performance but have the softness that you need, could be a regular alternative, then switch to the better gut during tournaments? Personally, I use gut for the performance and not the comfort, but if comfort is your main requirement, along with cost, those may be what you need in the long run.
Problem with the cheap Indian gut is that compared to normal gut, it does not hold tension well, strings move like crazy, is is soft but does not have that great gut feeling of softness / cripsness that is so unique for gut. I only use the Indian gut as cross for poly mains.
 

fuzz nation

G.O.A.T.
Why not just replace the gut with whichever brand of syn gut is considered to be the softest?
Forten Sweet is the softest syn. gut I know of, but the thinner Sweet 17 is a little on the fragile side. I currently only have a reel of the Sweet 16 on hand. This string can actually work as a low-cost substitute for more expensive "premium" multifibers.

I think 3 months playing 4 hours per week bro. I ve not tried string savers cause I m used to not use them as I ve heard/read those increase the tension at 1 or 2lb. And i think they reduce the sliding and snapback of main strings, but I can be mistaken, I will be glad if you elucidate me:cool:
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All right, guys, time to field report! I've tried babolat rpm team 1.25mm on the mains and the first hour was incredible with pocketing and spin. Tension was 43lb rpm team on the mains and 40lb yonex ptf on crosses.
But after first hour, the string bed "settle" and got agonizing "dead".
As 99% of talk tennis say and I confirm this, there is no string good like nat gut. So I m going back to that even though is more pricey. But my joints are more expensive than any strings so I will spare them :-D
As for syn. gut in general, there's lots of upside to consider. It's typically softer than poly and it's also quite affordable. That makes it something to consider even if you're not much of a string breaker. It doesn't "go dead" the same way that poly generally does, but it also doesn't degrade (steadily soften) the same way that multi's usually do when I use those.

I personally love syn. gut's performance, too. I play an all-court game and my arm can't tolerate poly, even in a hybrid. But I can play with snug beds of syn. gut every day of the week during the busy warmer months with no issues.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
Hey, honorables! How are you doing?

The issue is that I am getting in a tournament next weak, but I ve broken a gut string of one of my rackets:cry:. I like my hybrid setup (vs touch mains at 50 lb/ yonex poly tour fire crosses at 47 lb), but right now i am looking for a more economic and spin friendly setup, but without compromising power and comfort so much. I was doing my researches and found the "weisscanon fire stroke". Is this string a good idea? Powerful and comfortable enogh to substitute the babolat versus touch at mains? What are your opinions, ideas and other suggestions?

Notes: semi-western forehand, semi-western one handed backhand, RF97 Autograph stock form.

Best regards to you all!

How long does gut last in your racquet?
 

Sardines

Professional
Well that's not what the OP's problem is about? He's looking for a cheaper alternative to VS/PTF that doesn't break the bank? Are you saying there is a viable multi/copoly alternative suggestion that is closer in terms of comfort and playability than the Indian gut, at the same price? The Ashaway Zx monogut 17 is very soft, but not gut soft. The pocketing and feel isn't that much better. I would try that, or the new Triax 17, which is stiffer but comfortable, as an alternative as well. The Indian gut is around the same price so all those would be worth demoing. Especially with the PTF. I tried the Triax 17 with PRCW, and it had great string snap, but the grip on the ball wasn't that great. I did not like either ZX or Triax for the feel, but they felt soft.

Problem with the cheap Indian gut is that compared to normal gut, it does not hold tension well, strings move like crazy, is is soft but does not have that great gut feeling of softness / cripsness that is so unique for gut. I only use the Indian gut as cross for poly mains.
 

Happi

Professional
Well that's not what the OP's problem is about? He's looking for a cheaper alternative to VS/PTF that doesn't break the bank? Are you saying there is a viable multi/copoly alternative suggestion that is closer in terms of comfort and playability than the Indian gut, at the same price? The Ashaway Zx monogut 17 is very soft, but not gut soft. The pocketing and feel isn't that much better. I would try that, or the new Triax 17, which is stiffer but comfortable, as an alternative as well. The Indian gut is around the same price so all those would be worth demoing. Especially with the PTF. I tried the Triax 17 with PRCW, and it had great string snap, but the grip on the ball wasn't that great. I did not like either ZX or Triax for the feel, but they felt soft.
All I am saying is that Indian gut play like crap, it does not last for long, so it is really not a cheaper alternative IMO.
 

Happi

Professional
VCT 16g is soft like gut but has the durability/spin of poly when strung 10 lbs lower. BOOM there it is
@blai212 I actually tried your advice, also the VCT 18g, FB and crossed wit plasma. Good for you that you really like your setup, for me it played well but rather stiff (for a sensitive arm) and nothing like gut/iso or gut/poly.
 

JustTennis76

Professional
I recommended Prince Premier Control to my friend and he couldn’t be happier after he tried it. 16g offers exceptional durability. I also used it in a hybrid and is much cheaper than playing around with gut/poly hybrids.
 

Sardines

Professional
I concur. I used VCT18 for half a year, experimenting going down to 40lbs, just for fun, and found it to be soft for a copoly, but not gut hybrid soft.
@blai212 I actually tried your advice, also the VCT 18g, FB and crossed wit plasma. Good for you that you really like your setup, for me it played well but rather stiff (for a sensitive arm) and nothing like gut/iso or gut/poly.
@FREDerer_NadAUGUSTO I suggest you try the new Triax and ZX monogut, The power levels won't be anywhere near gut but lowering the tension to low40s and using PTF as a cross, it may just work for you since you don't seem to be a string breaker.
 

junbun

New User
I have not tried but i've read more than one post that stated their experience with PTF while extremely good performance as a cross for gut mains tears up gut a lot more than other smooth polys...
 
Thank you for the advices, pals!
I've just found in tennis warehouse that they are selling Klip Legend 15L for $30 and are shipping to Brazil too . That is the price of wilson NXT here in Brazil that is a multi, so I think it's a good price.
I will take the oportunity to buy gamma ocho xp 16 to test it in the mains before I put klip on my racket just for fun.
I ve just read an law article here that there are tax exemption to importation of sport products, but I don't know if it only apllies to oficially registrate athletes or if it applies to amateur consumers too.
Nevertheless, if my country's bureau tax my package, I will take the case to the court even if I am only in the middle of my tax law specialization course
 

onehandbh

Legend
Hey, honorables! How are you doing?

The issue is that I am getting in a tournament next weak, but I ve broken a gut string of one of my rackets:cry:. I like my hybrid setup (vs touch mains at 50 lb/ yonex poly tour fire crosses at 47 lb), but right now i am looking for a more economic and spin friendly setup, but without compromising power and comfort so much. I was doing my researches and found the "weisscanon fire stroke". Is this string a good idea? Powerful and comfortable enogh to substitute the babolat versus touch at mains? What are your opinions, ideas and other suggestions?

Notes: semi-western forehand, semi-western one handed backhand, RF97 Autograph stock form.

Best regards to you all!

How long do the gut strings last before they break?

Have you tried using stringsavers ?
 

Sardines

Professional
I've found the exact opposite, whereby durability is extended at least by 20% due to the lower friction for both gut and copoly hybrids.. The SIF does wear off, but it's the longest lasting slick coatings I've tested so far, same for PTSG. #2 is PRCW, with RPM Blast Rough a close 3rd and Resolve 4th.
I have not tried but i've read more than one post that stated their experience with PTF while extremely good performance as a cross for gut mains tears up gut a lot more than other smooth polys...
They limit contact to the crosses, reducing friction. It does extend life a little bit but not worth the effort for me personally. Obviously, Sampras and Federer disagree. Sampras used it to extend life on his 18g gut in the middle of a match. Pre-installing it on the hitting areas also alters feel, especially if you put a lot in. Obviously Fed loves it, but he used it over 2 racquets so it's a little more psychological? I haven't tested in on a Playsight court, so it's all subjective conjecture. I stopped using them after a few months.
About Three months, playins 4h per week, my friend. I didn't tried string savers. Do they alter gut peformance or just make it last longer?
 

blai212

Professional
@Happi, what tension/racquet did u use it in? 18g VCT is very different from 16g VCT and I only like it in the mains with a thin round copoly with good feel/tension maintenance in crosses like SPPP/YPTP
 

onehandbh

Legend
About Three months, playins 4h per week, my friend. I didn't tried string savers. Do they alter gut peformance or just make it last longer?
13 weeks x 4 = 52 hrs.

I only occasionally use my RF97 that is strung with gut/poly. I think the total amount of time I have used it is about 10-12 hours, so I'm not sure how durable it will be yet for me?

I usually play with a Yonex 95D strung with fully Volkl Cyclone 1.25 at about 54/52 lbs. I think it lasts about 15 hrs maybe? I cut it out sooner if it is already notched more than halfway through and about to break.
 

Traffic

Hall of Fame
About Three months, playins 4h per week, my friend. I didn't tried string savers. Do they alter gut peformance or just make it last longer?
That's pretty good duration. I play about 4x a week and get about 6 weeks of life out of my gut/poly hybrid.
My son plays 4x a week and his gut/poly strings last one week.

You're NOT going to get any more longevity from sgut or multi. Poly strings will go dead way before 3 months.

Stick with what you have, bro.
 
Thank you for the advices, pals!
I've just found in tennis warehouse that they are selling Klip Legend 15L for $30 and are shipping to Brazil too . That is the price of wilson NXT here in Brazil that is a multi, so I think it's a good price.
I will take the oportunity to buy gamma ocho xp 16 to test it in the mains before I put klip on my racket just for fun.
I ve just read an law article here that there are tax exemption to importation of sport products, but I don't know if it only apllies to oficially registrate athletes or if it applies to amateur consumers too.
Nevertheless, if my country's bureau tax my package, I will take the case to the court even if I am only in the middle of my tax law specialization course
You will pay taxes. TW uses UPS for international shipments and they always collect taxes in behalf of the customs.
 
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