Brutal Magnificence - Sinner is on the path to becoming the GOAT

Now he makes some top 10 players look like focus top 50 players, and a top 30 player like Baez (even if hard indoor is perhaps not even worth a top 40) like any other training sparring partner.
Among other things, he had also destroyed Baez at the last Australian Open (something like 6-0 6-1 6-3), but today he did the same thing by playing with the gear in neutral.

I repeat and reiterate, only Cas can prevent Sinner from having a peak Djokovic season in 2025 (2011 or 2015).

Now De Minaur is on his way again and then possibly Struff.
They should establish a clause so that an opposing national team can avail themselves of the possibility of foregoing playing the singles match with Sinner.
What exactly are you playing it for?
 
Winner Sinner said:
Now he makes some top 10 players look like focus top 50 players, and a top 30 player like Baez (even if hard indoor is perhaps not even worth a top 40) like any other training sparring partner.
Among other things, he had also destroyed Baez at the last Australian Open (something like 6-0 6-1 6-3), but today he did the same thing by playing with the gear in neutral.

I repeat and reiterate, only Cas can prevent Sinner from having a peak Djokovic season in 2025 (2011 or 2015).

Now De Minaur is on his way again and then possibly Struff.
They should establish a clause so that an opposing national team can avail themselves of the possibility of foregoing playing the singles match with Sinner.
What exactly are you playing it for?
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Even funnier is if the Netherlands manage to pull an upset

He'd be facing De Minaur and Griekspoor, literally his 2 largest pigeons
 
Among other things, Volandri, captain of the Italian team, in an interview with the Italian broadcaster, confessed that Sinner tried the pitch for the first time during the warm-up with Baez.
I'd say it showed, considering he made more unforced errors than usual.
 
SneederFeeder said:
Even funnier is if the Netherlands manage to pull an upset

He'd be facing De Minaur and Griekspoor, literally his 2 largest pigeons
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Yes, it's true, even Grieskpoor, the Netherlands also has a chance of reaching the final, even if perhaps Germany starts slightly ahead.

However, in the last 12 months De Minaur, Grieskpoor and Struff have met them several times, obviously never losing sight of them.
Whoever happens happens is totally indifferent.
 
Rosstour said:
He looks impressive for sure. But just mowing everyone down like this after the doping scandal is a bad look
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The field he's mowing down is something that Fed, Djokovic, Nadal, hell even Murray or DelPotro anywhere near their peak would have killed off and beaten.

His top 10 wins since the multiple failed doping tests:
Rune
Dimitrov
Hurkacz
Rublev
Zverev
Med x3
Djokovic
De Minaur
Fritz x2
Ruud

Not a single win over Alcaraz this year. Other than the Djokovic win, it's uh.. something Taylor Fritz in not just a slam final but the WTF Final too? Insane.
 
SonnyT said:
Sinner's first mission, Carlos Alcaraz!

Failed: 0-3!
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Yes, because he has never beaten Alcaraz before. He was actually leading the H2H against Alcaraz 4-3 heading into this season, the same thing was said about Alcaraz last year....how can he have a losing H2H against Sinner and be considered a GOAT contender? Their rivalry is very much in its infancy stage....there is a lot to go yet.

And before I hear the usual, Alcaraz is younger, that doesn't mean his body will get more wear and tear slower than Sinner. Everyone's body is different, both are supreme players, but we have no idea how it is going to go between them. Alcaraz, like Nadal simply announced himself at a much earlier age, but as we have seen, that doesn't always mean you end up being greater.
 
Hitman said:
Yes, because he has never beaten Alcaraz before. He was actually leading the H2H against Alcaraz 4-3 heading into this season, the same thing was said about Alcaraz last year....how can he have a losing H2H against Sinner and be considered a GOAT contender? Their rivalry is very much in its infancy stage....there is a lot to go yet.

And before I hear the usual, Alcaraz is younger, that doesn't mean his body will get more wear and tear slower than Sinner. Everyone's body is different, both are supreme players, but we have no idea how it is going to go between them. Alcaraz, like Nadal simply announced himself at a much earlier age, but as we have seen, that doesn't always mean you end up being greater.
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That makes it sound worse. So when Sinner finally had his breakout year to win 2 slams he still couldn't compete with Alcaraz and lost the H2H lead? Carlos is moving even further in front then!

If the only hope Sinner fans have is that "Alcaraz's body may get more wear and tear", that's extremely concerning for y'all :censored: :censored:

You're right that we have no idea where it's going to go between them. But right now, Alcaraz is far and above in pole position for the GOAT race as your thread suggests. Not the dude who's 2 years older and couldn't get a single win over Carlos this year.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
That makes it sound worse. So when Sinner finally had his breakout year to win 2 slams he still couldn't compete with Alcaraz and lost the H2H lead? Carlos is moving even further in front then!

If the only hope Sinner fans have is that "Alcaraz's body may get more wear and tear", that's extremely concerning for y'all :censored: :censored:

You're right that we have no idea where it's going to go between them. But right now, Alcaraz is far and above in pole position for the GOAT race as your thread suggests. Not the dude who's 2 years older and couldn't get a single win over Carlos this year.
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Not really, Alcaraz had a two slam lead, and was trailing in the H2H. The point is, it is going back and forth, last year, Sinner won the majority of their matches.

You think one season will dictate everything? There was a point when Nadal was leading Djokovic 14-4 in the H2H, and then we saw what happened. Nadal blossomed first and Djokovic later. People need to stop thinking everything is linear, because it is not, all players are different and follow their own trajectories.

Where was Alcaraz when Sinner was clobbering everyone at YEC in Turin? Can he play him now in Davis Cup? These courts favor Sinner a lot more.

Also I actually prefer Alcaraz's game more, and predicted he would win two slams this year and only become stronger. I just laugh at the dismissive statements about Sinner, because I predicted he was going to the top all the way at Beijing 2023, and he is only going from strength to strength. If all you have is the Alcaraz H2H to hold onto, then its not enough.

And history has shown us that it is not how you start the race but how you finish.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
That makes it sound worse. So when Sinner finally had his breakout year to win 2 slams he still couldn't compete with Alcaraz and lost the H2H lead? Carlos is moving even further in front then!

If the only hope Sinner fans have is that "Alcaraz's body may get more wear and tear", that's extremely concerning for y'all :censored: :censored:

You're right that we have no idea where it's going to go between them. But right now, Alcaraz is far and above in pole position for the GOAT race as your thread suggests. Not the dude who's 2 years older and couldn't get a single win over Carlos this year.
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No need to make it sound like he was beaten to a pulp by Raz. Took him to the 5th set on his least favourite surface, lost at the deciding tie break in Beijing... and beat him to pocket 6M in Riyadh. Plus, he's clobbered the guys that had beaten Raz at many tournaments, and that counts.
 
Hitman said:
Not really, Alcaraz had a two slam lead, and was trailing in the H2H. The point is, it is going back and forth, last year, Sinner won the majority of their matches.

You think one season will dictate everything? There was a point when Nadal was leading Djokovic 14-4 in the H2H, and then we saw what happened. Nadal blossomed first and Djokovic later. People need to stop thinking everything is linear, because it is not, all players are different and follow their own trajectories.

Where was Alcaraz when Sinner was clobbering everyone at YEC in Turin? Can he play him now in Davis Cup? These courts favor Sinner a lot more.

Also I actually prefer Alcaraz's game more, and predicted he would win two slams this year and only become stronger. I just laugh at the dismissive statements about Sinner, because I predicted he was going to the top all the way at Beijing 2023, and he is only going from strength to strength. If all you have is the Alcaraz H2H to hold onto, then its not enough.

And history has shown us that it is not how you start the race but how you finish.
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So Carlos kept the 2 slam lead and took over the H2H?

Damn sounds like a darn incredible year by him and to be 2 years younger? Impressive.

If you want to compare it to Nadal and Djokovic, go right ahead. I'm just looking at what i'm seeing and not comparing their rivalry to previous ones.

Alcaraz is still looking far, far better at the end of this year. Margin is still the same slam wise and the H2H has actually shifted in Carlos' favour. I don't really care about the YEC or Davis Cup tbh. But good on Sinner for winning YEC and most likely the Davis Cup :)
 
Aussie Darcy said:
So Carlos kept the 2 slam lead and took over the H2H?

Damn sounds like a darn incredible year by him and to be 2 years younger? Impressive.

If you want to compare it to Nadal and Djokovic, go right ahead. I'm just looking at what i'm seeing and not comparing their rivalry to previous ones.

Alcaraz is still looking far, far better at the end of this year. Margin is still the same slam wise and the H2H has actually shifted in Carlos' favour. I don't really care about the YEC or Davis Cup tbh. But good on Sinner for winning YEC and most likely the Davis Cup :)
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What part of - the H2H is going back and forth is not being made clear here? As I said where was Alcaraz this YEC? He was losing to Ruud who Sinner crushed. And all due respect but it doesn't matter what you care about regarding events. All matches count and players not getting to showdowns also matter. Sinner was waiting while Alcaraz took a flight home.

Both are on the path to GOAThood. Alcaraz is leading but history has shown us how things can change very quickly.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
It's frankly disturbing that you'd like to speculate on my health and make these disgusting comments. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I didn't denigrate Sinner here, I just spoke about how the year played out. I'd appreciate if you wouldn't speak about my health ever again. Thank you.
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It's frankly disturbing how you're carrying out a constant smear campaign against Sinner with theses of climbing on mirrors.

Your resentment towards him can be seen in every comment.

These will be very difficult years for you if your approach is to hope to see him fail.
While you build your sandcastle theses, he lets the facts speak for themselves, that is, continuing to win.
And with this I say goodbye to you, I've already wasted too much time arguing with a rosicone.
 
roysid said:
I though the six kings slam was serious play and Sinner got him there.
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Not anymore serious than the way Alcaraz got Novak in a serious exhibition at the same Riyadh Tennis Season last year.

We don't even take Alcaraz' challenger win over Sinner in official tally, let alone and exhibition that began last year
 
Winner Sinner said:
It's frankly disturbing how you're carrying out a constant smear campaign against Sinner with theses of climbing on mirrors.

Your resentment towards him can be seen in every comment.

These will be very difficult years for you if your approach is to hope to see him fail.
While you build your sandcastle theses, he lets the facts speak for themselves, that is, continuing to win.
And with this I say goodbye to you, I've already wasted too much time arguing with a rosicone.
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Smear campaign? I spoke about his year on tour. I didn't denigrate him. I don't hope to see him fail.

You though? You decided to make this disgusting and talk about my ill health. Seriously, never speak about my health again. I am utterly appalled that you would do that.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
You lost me when you brought up the blood money Saudi exhibition.

Exhibitions don't count in H2H's. Don't even mention them. Remember that.
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These Sinner fans I tell you. Some of them are also Djokovic fans. Ask them what they think of the same Riyadh blood money exhibition from last year when the GOAT was taken down by Alcaraz.

Hell I even forgot that exhibition until these guys shoved this Riyadh exhibition 2.0 up in order to boost Sinner up.

Hell Alcaraz is 3-2 against Nadal now with his two exhibition wins this year (Netflix and Saudi slams). Nah, I take that back. I don't want to come across as silly as them.
 
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rigged said:
Sinner failed only once this season to meet Alcaraz (Wimbledon), while Alcaraz failed 6 times.
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Sort like Fedal outside of clay. Yet Roger gets the blame for it bc the h2h favors Nadal.

I'm more of an Alcaraz fan than a Sinner fan, but there is merit to this argument you've made
 
Rosstour said:
Sort like Fedal outside of clay. Yet Roger gets the blame for it bc the h2h favors Nadal.

I'm more of an Alcaraz fan than a Sinner fan, but there is merit to this argument you've made
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Yet this one also includes Alcaraz' two wins on two different hard courts. Alcaraz in fact leads 5-2 on HCs overall.

But it is a much better argument than the ridiculous bigging up of an exhibition.
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
That makes it sound worse. So when Sinner finally had his breakout year to win 2 slams he still couldn't compete with Alcaraz and lost the H2H lead? Carlos is moving even further in front then!

If the only hope Sinner fans have is that "Alcaraz's body may get more wear and tear", that's extremely concerning for y'all :censored: :censored:

You're right that we have no idea where it's going to go between them. But right now, Alcaraz is far and above in pole position for the GOAT race as your thread suggests. Not the dude who's 2 years older and couldn't get a single win over Carlos this year.
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It's unfortunate that the OP counts this exhibition but not the first meeting between them, an actual Challenger tour match suggested by his h2h counting.
 
FeroBango said:
It's unfortunate that the OP counts this exhibition but not the first meeting between them, an actual Challenger tour match suggested by his h2h counting.
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Judging by how low Sinner fans will stoop on this forum (as we've seen on this thread), nothing surprises me anymore. I don't blame Jannik, but his fans here really need to take a hard look at themselves.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Judging by how low Sinner fans will stoop on this forum, nothing surprises me anymore
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On wow if counting the highest paying match in history, in which both of them gave their 100%, is stooping low then I apologise. What about my other points though? Anyway Yeah you win, Raz destroyed Sinner this season. 3-0, go Raz.
 
Drighiz said:
On wow if counting the highest paying match in history, in which both of them gave their 100%, is stooping low then I apologise. What about my other points though? Anyway Yeah you win, Raz destroyed Sinner this season. Go Raz.
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An exhibition. That's not a match. It's not a tournament.

It's an exhibition that does not count. The same way Bill Gates & Federer playing against Nadal and Trevor Noah doesn't count.

Surely I don't need to explain that to you?

Anyway, my comment about "nothing surprises me" wasn't about you. It was about that user discussing my ill health. One of the most disgusting things i've seen here. Not about you.
 
Drighiz said:
On wow if counting the highest paying match in history, in which both of them gave their 100%, is stooping low then I apologise. What about my other points though? Anyway Yeah you win, Raz destroyed Sinner this season. 3-0, go Raz.
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Not anymore important last year's Saudi event between Djokovic and Alcaraz (with "110%" on display) was in comparison to other tour level matches that paid less than that Riyadh Tennis Season match, you know the precursor to this year's edition.


Most serious match of 2023 <3
 
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Aussie Darcy said:
An exhibition. That's not a match. It's not a tournament.

It's an exhibition that does not count. The same way Bill Gates & Federer playing against Nadal and Trevor Noah doesn't count.

Surely I don't need to explain that to you?

Anyway, my comment about "nothing surprises me" wasn't about you. It was about that user discussing my ill health. One of the most disgusting things i've seen here. Not about you.
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Plus their messiah also dismissed the notion of that money meaning as much as these forum-dwellers think it means to these filthy rich players.
 
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