Building the Perfect Player by Andy Murray
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Nathaniel_Near
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He is right though. You're becoming stagnant. You are the premier talent on this forum but you also should evolve your repertoire and move with the times, otherwise someone will come like a Nadal and surpass you as if you are Federer from 07/08.
forzamilan90
Legend
I agree, Fed should demonstrate his forehand against Murray in the potential semi. Lol he's seen videos and heard people say Lendl had a good forehand so he says Lendl...how bout the shot that made Federer Federer?
smoledman
G.O.A.T.
Hasn't Fed already demonstrated that fearhand in their previous 3 slam finals?
Haha, thanks for the laugh. My word there are some nutcases on this little forum.
beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
Why are you guys so pissed that Murray didn't pick Fed's fh ? Is it wrong for him that he prefers other players' fh. He has his own preferences just like everyone else. It's not like he was insulting Fed's fh. Why are *******s Butthurt ?
Does Murray have to be a member of Fed as.slickers brigade too, just like most of the people in this forum, to get The Nod ? Just saying.
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Rock Strongo
Legend
that would be something. i have tickets for the SF and Finals, anticipating Federer showing up in both of them
You know, if he doesn't, I'll gladly spare your frustration of watching a Murray-Djokovic final. Just send the tickets to me along with your name and address, DOB, mother's maiden name, and the name of your bank and we could settle on something
Fedex
Legend
forzamilan90
Legend
forzamilan90
Legend
It's surprising cause he points out Novak's movement, Rafa's mentality or forehand, yet Fed doesn't get a mention yet his is the best of the bunch clearly.
RF20Lennon
Legend
Well I mean I think its kinda like he was put on the spot its not like he got time for the list and he had to choose his coach and hes close friends with nadal but lol its not like Murray's opinion is the one that actually is going to decide which forehand is the best. 17>11
ahh yes, hoping for Federer to put on a FH masterclass is dissing Murray. got it! I hope you see that the only one being a child is you.
You know, if he doesn't, I'll gladly spare your frustration of watching a Murray-Djokovic final. Just send the tickets to me along with your name and address, DOB, mother's maiden name, and the name of your bank and we could settle on something
are you sure you don't want the last 4 digits of social? to expedite things, i wouldn't mind sending you the whole 9 digits.. in addition to the abovementioned items, of course
btw, where in Nigeria are you located?
Fedex
Legend
I'm still not getting you.
The obvious implications are that Federer will teach Murray a lesson by giving him a sound beating if they meet in the semi finals because Murray dared not say Federer has the best forehand in tennis history.
If I were to say Murray will put on a BH masterclass when he meets Federer, how do you think that would go down?
My personal opinion of your beloved almighty Federer is that he certainly has one of the best ever forehands, possibly the best, but the secret of his success is that he is strong in every aspect of the game.
However, re the forehand issue, Murray is far better placed than I to judge.
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the bolded part, you just assumed, and you're just putting words into my (and abmk's) mouth. I already noted that Murray's picks were spot on, and Federer's FH is not what it used to be, but hoped that Murray's words would spur Federer on to relive one of his great FH days of the past (abmk noted USO 2004 as one of his great FH days) -- i have tickets for the SF and finals, so would like to see Federer play there instead of Murray -- is that a problem with you?
where does teaching Murray a lesson fit into all this or how did you infer that from my (and abmk's) post?oversensitive much?
pc1
G.O.A.T.
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I doubt if Federer is going to show Murray how great his forehand is simply because of the article. I think it is more likely Federer would use that as greater motivation to defeat Murray.
If Federer came into a match with Murray intent on showing him that his forehand is the best ever he may overhit and play not within himself. If a player plays that way, it is more likely his level of play will go down, not up.
Federer forehand controversy notwithstanding, I thought a lot of Murray's choices were pretty good. Lendl and Nadal are great choices for forehand. Djokovic is a super choice for backhand and Edberg, Rafter and Laver are great choices for volley. And of course Sampras for serve is a super choice.
I doubt if Federer is going to show Murray how great his forehand is simply because of the article. I think it is more likely Federer would use that as greater motivation to defeat Murray.
If Federer came into a match with Murray intent on showing him that his forehand is the best ever he may overhit and play not within himself. If a player plays that way, it is more likely his level of play will go down, not up.
Federer forehand controversy notwithstanding, I thought a lot of Murray's choices were pretty good. Lendl and Nadal are great choices for forehand. Djokovic is a super choice for backhand and Edberg, Rafter and Laver are great choices for volley. And of course Sampras for serve is a super choice.
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Fedex
Legend
That's right, in the context of, Federer showing up to teach Murray a lesson for not saying his forehand was the best.
Do I really have to spell this out?
I also included numbskull Joeri888's comment to show the general hurt and "oversensitive much" of the die hards.
I'll admit, yourself and ABMK are not on that level and would not tar you with that brush but the undercurrent is most definitely there.
I'll leave you with the last comment because this can go on all night.
I wasn't talking on behalf of the oversensitive *******s (not denying there are a few, but your remarks show you as an oversensitive Murron as well). Hey, look, as a Federer fan, I want him to win as much as possible (especially when I'm going to spend $$$ traveling 1000s of miles to watch him), and I don't see him as a firm favorite vs Murray - I was hoping Murray's list would spur him on. That's all. I'm not butt-hurt about Murray's remarks, nor was I thinking along the lines of a "payback" for Murray's list -- that's just your imagination at work
Bobby Jr
G.O.A.T.
He's attempting psych games against Federer. Federer's forehand is superior in every way over Lendl's,... other than which one looks most retro.
Fedex
Legend
Maybe you're right to the bit in bold.
And I hear what you're saying about the other bit in bold.
I'm also a great admirer of Federer's talent incidentally just some of the extreme fans put me off.
Seems I was having one of these moments:
DeShaun
Banned
no mention of mac for the volleys ? hmm, the lendl effect ?
maybe he needs another taste of the federer FH as well ? coming up at this year's USO semi ?
I expect Roger to annihilate Murray, to be honest.
DolgoSantoro
Professional
He just said lendl's forehand because he knows what will happen if he doesn't
forzamilan90
Legend
Lendl will hit him with a ball hard during practice?
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monfed
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What, did Lendl hand that list to him? :lol:
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SQA333
Hall of Fame
This is why Federer has made him cry in public on no less than two occasions. :lol:
intrepidish
Hall of Fame
So the Federer Worshipers Forum aka Talk Tennis has decided to punish Andy Murray for not giving total tribute to their idol and only praising him profusely.
Great job, clowns
Great job, clowns
batz
G.O.A.T.
Based on what?
Whether best of 3 or best of 5, in their 17 matches to date, it is Roger who has had the worst beatdowns; 5 games and 7 games respectively.
I agree with you that Roger would be favourite if they both make semis - but why do you think Roger would 'annihilate' Murray?
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batz
G.O.A.T.
batz
G.O.A.T.
Joeri is normally a an excellent poster - don't know what came over him there. Seemed out of character that.
Carsomyr
Legend
Really don't understand the controversy. So Andy thinks there are better forehands than Federer's - so what? It's generally agreed upon by fans, players, and experts that Federer's forehand is the best ever, but it's hardly universal. One player's opinion, regardless of his pedigree, is not going to change that.
batz
G.O.A.T.
roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
Why do you have to be so bloody reasonable about things?
It's because Federer's forehand is easily in the top 3 of the last 20 years and probably the best of all time. The same goes with Federer's slice. He is such an obvious answer, that you actually have to try to leave him out. It's like talking about the best ever serve and leaving out Sampras. Or talking about the best ever return and not mentioning Agassi. Maybe if you are asked to name one then fair enough, but when you are asked to name a few 3 or so it becomes a bit of a joke.
Just looking at the list you can see Murray's agenda. Murray always makes snide digs at Federer and has never forgiven Federer for his comments after Dubai 08. Basically he is saying Federer wins on mental strength and court coverage.
The most ridiculous thing he says is claiming Agassi's return would not be as effective now. Agassi only retired 6 years ago, but even with his declined reactions, movement and flexibility he still had one of the best returns on tour.
batz
G.O.A.T.
roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
And then you came along to ensure that the bampottery continues.
It's the truth. Murray's firendly with Nadal. They play pranks on each, play video games together and are relatively good friends. Murray has spoken about how Henman took him under his wing and is the person he was closest to on tour. Then Lendl is his coach. Look at who favours heavily on the list?
I know you like Murray, but be honest here. Murray really dislikes Federer. As a Murray fan you should be aware of several comments that make this clear. You should also be aware of the spat they had about how to play tennis. Federer is a firm believer in being aggressive means you control the match. Murray completely disagreed and felt putting your opponents in awkward positions, whilst being safe meant control.
batz
G.O.A.T.
No - it's your opinion. As is the rest of your post. You're perfectly entitled to them, but it doesn't follow that they represent some kind of self-evident truth.
roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
So Murray saying how he gets along well and spends time with Nadal is my opinion?
So Murray saying how grateful he is to Henman is my opinion?
Lendl being Murray's coach is my opinion?
Or do you think it is coincidence that all his friends feature on the list.
I can post half a dozen quotes from Murray making digs at Federer with ease. In fact the trouble with the two probably goes back to 2006 when Federer suggested he lost the match, because he was tired.
It's the same when Ljubicic talks about Federer or Goran about Ancic etc.
batz
G.O.A.T.
I'm sure you can mate - you'll just look up the Ms in your 'Insults to Roger' file - right? :shock:
Look mate - I'm not arguing that you're wrong - I have no way of refuting what you say; just as you have no way of knowing if you are correct about Murray's 'agenda' or Roger's thoughts on Murray.
roberttennis54
Semi-Pro
We have no way of knowing for certain, but we can speculate and certain things are more likely than others when we look at the evidence.
What I don't like is the insinuation, that if you point out something is probably a dig then you must be some kind of fanatic. Players are human can only hide their feelings to a certain extent. Things eventually come out either in interviews, statements from friends or actions.
For instance Federer beating Old Agassi so often meant he did not respect Agassi as much he does now. Just looking at his comments and he repeatedly had slight digs at him. Getting older has changed his stance on Agassi. On the same note Federer has made several digs at Murray as well. One of the most notable saying Murray can get to no1, but he hopes he is not a slamless no 1 like Safina/Jankovic. Pointing out that is a probably a dig is not being a Murray **** nor does pointing out that this list was probably a dig at Federer make you a Federer ****. Anyway we are off topic so best to let it finish.
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