Bungalo, (and friends) I'm getting back into it. Finding my groove again . At our club we usullay only play one or two sets max before switching partners. Against 5.0 players who swing out i'm relatively succesful. especially if they come into the net. There are some 4.5 players who give me tough matches though. And I'm searching them out to get back into shape. Their game can probably be characterize as retrievers. I played one guy last night who got all my serves back deep and slow. His ground stokes where just fast enough to get where they had to go but gave me nothing to work with. His serve is flat and skids. His ground strokes often were very low especially to my backhand side (I have a two hander drive/topspin, one hander slice). Consequently he made me work very hard for the win. Most frustraing were the low slice shots deep to my backhand. And his low skidding serve. Re: the backhand he eventually got tired and started to give more and more balls in my strike zone which equaled winners for me. But what should I be doing to get ahold of those low ones with my 2 hander? Additionally I've noticed a HUGE drop off in my one handed slice since returning back to tennis. It used be an offensive weapon. now its more like a floater (especially against guys like this who give you nothing to work with). Any advice on how to make it a weapon again? Also he has pretty slow serve but it skids and he places it well. so you need to swing at it but its low. I started to scoot up to about 2 or three feet behind the service line and that worked well but i still hit too many into the net. this guys game charactarizes most of the good 4.0 and 4.5 players at the club and i need to improve against this type of player. I've been able to become a pretty good player on just natural talent but I've never had a coach or taken lessons which is why i'm really glad there is a board like this with generous people like yourself. Thanks alot!!